Black comics

[CaptainKarma]

Pretty much
If you make a joke about a white person, it's not racist
If a white man say's anything it's therefore racist or sexist
White males are unfortunately silent victims in race and gender abuse, as everyone looks to them as the abusers, rather than the takers of racism.
I may have gone a bit off topic, but that's the truth

But you're ignoring the different social standing. I'm not going to deny that it's possible to be racist against white people but its pretty negligible.

When a black (or any un-privileged person) makes a joke at the expense of the dominant group they're weakening that dominance. When the dominant group makes a joke at the expense of the oppressed they're further oppressing them. There's a difference between punching up and kicking down.

I'm actually stating the social standing, that standing that white people are supposedly the 'bad guys' when it comes to race, and to talk about the white race in a negative tone is fine whereas in the other circumstance, it is found extremely rude.

That's not what I mean my social standing. White people have more power and privilege in society than black people. Jokes directed at black people are bad because they reinforce this. Jokes directed at white people DON'T, so are less of a deal.

Also black people aren't under privileged, they have now got the same or more rights than a white person in law.

In law maybe. But you can't deny there's still significant systemic racism directed at them.

Black people may be less privileged in the community due to their wages and such, but that's the fault of their own habits to not learn, and not strive for good jobs, this isn't because the "White man" is putting them down, but due to the culture they have that has come from each other and their parents to not strive hard, for example many black people live in communities full of thieves and under achievers, I'm not saying it's because they are black that they do not get the best jobs, but because of the background they are brought into that makes them not try as hard. If one person from that place where to study properly, which is available to them for free, just as it is for someone of a different race, there is no reason they cannot achieve as highly and using their race as an excuse for underachievement is racist in itself.
" Jokes directed at black people are bad because they reinforce this. Jokes directed at white people DON'T, so are less of a deal."
Jokes against white people reinforce many stereotypes, I don't see how if a white man makes a joke about a black man it should be more offensive than if a black person made a joke about a white person. They are both stereotypical and racist, showing in society we are racist as we allow racism to flow one way but not the other, whereas we should deny it on all fronts.
I wish to see a white man make the jokes the comedians in the OT did, and see the amount of abuse they would get from the public.

Let's try this another way. Why are stereotypes bad? Why is racism bad?

 

[Random Fella]

Let's try this another way. Why are stereotypes bad? Why is racism bad?

So you just ignored that whole two paragraphs of text I just answered you with? Of course stereotypes are bad because you are signifying a whole community based on the actions of a group or of most of the people from that community. Therefore if someone is stereotypical towards any race, it is racist, not only if white people are stereotypical towards black people, both roles must be taken into account and both forms of racism should not be allowed. Do you even try to read my argument?

 

[CaptainKarma]

Let's try this another way. Why are stereotypes bad? Why is racism bad?

So you just ignored that whole two paragraphs of text I just answered you with? Of course stereotypes are bad because you are signifying a whole community based on the actions of a group or of most of the people from that community. Therefore if someone is stereotypical towards any race, it is racist, not only if white people are stereotypical towards black people, both roles must be taken into account and both forms of racism should not be allowed. Do you even try to read my argument?

Yes I read it. Would "racism is over" be a suitable summary? I'm trying to show you why jokes directed at white people are not the same as jokes directed as black people.

Next step: Why is it bad to "signify a whole community based on the actions of a group"?

 

[Random Fella]

Let's try this another way. Why are stereotypes bad? Why is racism bad?

So you just ignored that whole two paragraphs of text I just answered you with? Of course stereotypes are bad because you are signifying a whole community based on the actions of a group or of most of the people from that community. Therefore if someone is stereotypical towards any race, it is racist, not only if white people are stereotypical towards black people, both roles must be taken into account and both forms of racism should not be allowed. Do you even try to read my argument?

Yes I read it. Would "racism is over" be a suitable summary? I'm trying to show you why jokes directed at white people are not the same as jokes directed as black people.

Next step: Why is it bad to "signify a whole community based on the actions of a group"?

See you're the type that allows racism toward the white community, because you THINK jokes directed at white people are not as bad as the vise versa, when... why wouldn't they be? Isn't that racist in itself? Considering one race to be allowed to be made fun of because of their race but not another? Clearly you do not understand racism, and think it can only be applied to minorities.

 

[michiehoward]

Racism and a racist comment is backed up by some previous hatred.

These comedy bits are missing that essential ingredient.

 

[Rodney Jackson]

Black people may be less privileged in the community due to their wages and such, but that's the fault of their own habits to not learn, and not strive for good jobs, this isn't because the "White man" is putting them down, but due to the culture they have that has come from each other and their parents to not strive hard, for example many black people live in communities full of thieves and under achievers, I'm not saying it's because they are black that they do not get the best jobs, but because of the background they are brought into that makes them not try as hard. If one person from that place where to study properly, which is available to them for free, just as it is for someone of a different race, there is no reason they cannot achieve as highly and using their race as an excuse for underachievement is racist in itself.

You sound just like this guy: http://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2011/12/12/if-i-was-a-poor-black-kid/

but after reading that, maybe you should hear what some of these people have say: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/a-muscular-empathy/249984/
http://www.good.is/post/an-ode-to-a-poor-black-kid-i-never-knew-how-forbes-gets-it-wrong/
http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2011/12/13/if-i-were-the-middle-class-white-guy-gene-marks/#.TxlEvfkyfgj

I get where you're coming from, and to that aspect I agree. But you are also presenting a great deal of ignorance as well. I will say its wrong to blame ones own problems on another race, but the sad truth is even now there's social reconstruction going on here in USA brought about from actions in the past, and this can be far more complicated than what you may comprehend.

 

[CaptainKarma]

Let's try this another way. Why are stereotypes bad? Why is racism bad?

So you just ignored that whole two paragraphs of text I just answered you with? Of course stereotypes are bad because you are signifying a whole community based on the actions of a group or of most of the people from that community. Therefore if someone is stereotypical towards any race, it is racist, not only if white people are stereotypical towards black people, both roles must be taken into account and both forms of racism should not be allowed. Do you even try to read my argument?

Yes I read it. Would "racism is over" be a suitable summary? I'm trying to show you why jokes directed at white people are not the same as jokes directed as black people.

Next step: Why is it bad to "signify a whole community based on the actions of a group"?

See you're the type that allows racism toward the white community, because you THINK jokes directed at white people are not as bad as the vise versa, when... why wouldn't they be? Isn't that racist in itself? Considering one race to be allowed to be made fun of because of their race but not another? Clearly you do not understand racism, and think it can only be applied to minorities.

DING DING DING! He gets it!

Almost. That's why I'm asking you WHY stereotyping is bad. Go on, explain why, in as much detail as possible. There's more to it than "you shouldn't make jokes about ethnicities"

If I go around saying "mexican's are lazy and untrustworthy" that's bad, because mexicans are routinely discriminated against in jobs etc. based on this negative stereotype. If I say "all whites are lazy" that's not as bad because white people are not discriminated against.

 

[Random Fella]

Neither of you have even read what I have said clearly, Captainkarma just keeps asking the same question that i've answered twice now in very long pararaphs, while Rodney Jackson clearly overestimates the challenge someone can face, the problem isn't the children wanting to leave their bad back ground and study to become successful, but that they don't want to because they've been raised in that mindset. Now I'm starting to look like a racist myself, but the truth of the matter, and the point that i'm trying to get across is that making jokes about black people in society is apparently much worse than making jokes about white people, which is morally wrong and unjust in society.
I'm not going to quote these two since it will probably just lead to more asking of the same question which I have already answered clearly and the quotes are just too long since they join together and are hard to snippet separately :/

 

[Thaluikhain]

I came here to have a big conversation about "Truth: Red, White and Black" my second favorite Marvel series. I'm a little disappointed now.

Eh, I was going to talk about what DC did to Voodoo in the reboot.

Still, should have expect the "but that's reverse racism" comments, I guess.

 

[KefkaCultist]

Well there's the comic book "White Hating Coon" done by Hooper X which follows the hero Maliqua. He's a decedent from the black tribe that established the first society on the planet while all the European mother fuckers were still hiding in caves a shit, all terrified of the sun... Oh wait, this is about stand up comics? Gothcha...

To be honest, the only one I know other than Chappell and Kat Williams is Wanda Sykes, but I've never really seen her stand up and just know her from Clerks 2.

Speaking of Clerks 2, I really hope someone appreciates my Chasing Amy reference of a first paragraph.

 

[Chewster]

See you're the type that allows racism toward the white community, because you THINK jokes directed at white people are not as bad as the vise versa, when... why wouldn't they be? Isn't that racist in itself? Considering one race to be allowed to be made fun of because of their race but not another? Clearly you do not understand racism, and think it can only be applied to minorities.

See, that is not what is being said though. What is being said is that while both are probably not preferable, one does considerably more damage then another. It really is a simple concept.