Black Ops looks terrible.

[AndyFromMonday]

The knifing range is still stupidly overpowered. I don't care if the knife has to take up a weapon slot. No one can lunge forward like that and expect to be up on his feet in less than a second.

I've spent the last half hour lunging forward like that. Trust me, you can move pretty fast when you want to. Granted, they are wearing heavy gear, but they are also stronger and pumped on adrenaline. I reckon it's possible.

So? Adrenaline and "being stronger" does not account for your ability to actually keep balance when lunging forward like that.

 

[RedDeadFred]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_fsM6LBi54

I can find so many things that are going to be annoying. I mean, at first it looks good, but then I realised that its just because the guy is getting tons of kills, and the toy car and knife launcher are going to be so annoying, as well as the horizontal predator missile. I mean, just no.

I can see how some of this stuff might be unbalanced but that's what betas are for. I have no doubt that the final product will be pretty awesome. Although I'll wait for reviews (I never pre-order).

 

[RedDeadFred]

The knifing range is still stupidly overpowered. I don't care if the knife has to take up a weapon slot. No one can lunge forward like that and expect to be up on his feet in less than a second.

I've spent the last half hour lunging forward like that. Trust me, you can move pretty fast when you want to. Granted, they are wearing heavy gear, but they are also stronger and pumped on adrenaline. I reckon it's possible.

So? Adrenaline and "being stronger" does not account for your ability to actually keep balance when lunging forward like that.

They are trained soldiers. Nuff said.

 

[punkrocker27]

I've officially given up on Modern Warfare after the sequel. But there is still hope for Medal of Honor, it seems. My coworker beta tests FPS's and he says the new one will combine the level-up & upgrade system of COD with the squad based class mechanics of Battlefield, and it is to be the shit. legit

 

[AndyFromMonday]

The knifing range is still stupidly overpowered. I don't care if the knife has to take up a weapon slot. No one can lunge forward like that and expect to be up on his feet in less than a second.

I've spent the last half hour lunging forward like that. Trust me, you can move pretty fast when you want to. Granted, they are wearing heavy gear, but they are also stronger and pumped on adrenaline. I reckon it's possible.

So? Adrenaline and "being stronger" does not account for your ability to actually keep balance when lunging forward like that.

They are trained soldiers. Nuff said.

Since when were soldiers able to defy gravity?

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Another ***** thread about CoD, eh? I suppose I can't complain. Anyway, never make this judgement. You're supposed to take a look at the previews to see if you want to test it out not to see if it's a good or bad game. Don't call it terrible before you play it.

 

[KrazyShrink]

Though I didn't play WaW much, from what I hear Treyarch was decent with community support. I also hear that they've been talking to the MW2 community a lot for advice with Black Ops.

I'm willing to go as far as to say if Treyarch actively patches, balances, and generally listens to the community it could be the best FPS yet.

 

[Danny Ocean]

The knifing range is still stupidly overpowered. I don't care if the knife has to take up a weapon slot. No one can lunge forward like that and expect to be up on his feet in less than a second.

I've spent the last half hour lunging forward like that. Trust me, you can move pretty fast when you want to. Granted, they are wearing heavy gear, but they are also stronger and pumped on adrenaline. I reckon it's possible.

So? Adrenaline and "being stronger" does not account for your ability to actually keep balance when lunging forward like that.

They are trained soldiers. Nuff said.

Since when were soldiers able to defy gravity?

If you think lunging 10 feet is defying gravity then I'm superman, as I say, we were doing knife lunges (And other dagger work) in my martial arts class today. They are not a preferable move because they do put you off balance. That doesn't matter, however, if you stab the guy. I can also tell you from that experience that it's actually pretty easy to get up. It's even easier to push the other person over, too.

I was not wearing heavy gear. That would skew the situation. However, they are trained more than I am, they are much stronger than I am, and they are high on adrenaline. A lunge like that is definitely possible. Annoying, maybe, but not impossible.

 

[KrazyShrink]

The knifing range is still stupidly overpowered. I don't care if the knife has to take up a weapon slot. No one can lunge forward like that and expect to be up on his feet in less than a second.

I've spent the last half hour lunging forward like that. Trust me, you can move pretty fast when you want to. Granted, they are wearing heavy gear, but they are also stronger and pumped on adrenaline. I reckon it's possible.

So? Adrenaline and "being stronger" does not account for your ability to actually keep balance when lunging forward like that.

They are trained soldiers. Nuff said.

Since when were soldiers able to defy gravity?

Since when did realism in CoD matter? I hate commando as much as the next guy, but not for being unrealistic. Just for being generally annoying.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

The knifing range is still stupidly overpowered. I don't care if the knife has to take up a weapon slot. No one can lunge forward like that and expect to be up on his feet in less than a second.

I've spent the last half hour lunging forward like that. Trust me, you can move pretty fast when you want to. Granted, they are wearing heavy gear, but they are also stronger and pumped on adrenaline. I reckon it's possible.

So? Adrenaline and "being stronger" does not account for your ability to actually keep balance when lunging forward like that.

They are trained soldiers. Nuff said.

Since when were soldiers able to defy gravity?

If you think lunging 10 feet is defying gravity then I'm superman, as I say, we were doing knife lunges in TaeKwonDo today. They are not a preferable move because they do put you off balance. That doesn't matter, however, if you stab the guy. I can also tell you from that experience that it's actually pretty easy to get up.

I was not wearing heavy gear. That would skew the situation. However, they are trained more than I am, they are much stronger than I am, and they are high on adrenaline. A lunge like that is definitely possible.

TRAINING has NOTHING to do with being able to LUNGE LIKE THAT carrying the equipment that that certain solider was carrying. Also, what do you mean by stronger? Do you mean muscle? Because if so, muscle adds weight meaning it's even less likely the soldier would be able to lunge like that. So basically, in order to lunge like that you have to have a balanced musculature and absolutely no gear whatsoever. Doesn't seem feasible to me.

 

[Mr. Google]

Trey arch has never done anything innovative like really they even stole the torque bow from GOW now is that just sad

That's like saying Gears of War stole the Torque Bow from real life, or from Diablo II because the arrows/bolts explode.

I cant agree with the RL because i have never heard of something like that used in warfare but maybe GOW did i never played Diablo sorry! And to add Diablo isnt a shooter game so its a bit different but yes the idea is still there

 

[dancinginfernal]

Trey arch has never done anything innovative like really they even stole the torque bow from GOW now is that just sad

No. Half-Life had the crossbow before GOW, and many things before that. Honestly, aside from CoD4, I've always preferred Treyarch to Infinity Ward.

Looking good, but I'm worried. I hope Treyarch will do the do they do do.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Double Post. See below. Damn forums.

 

[Dango]

Making assumptions like this before even playing the game is just stupid. You have to get to know something before you can get to hate it.

Not true.... very few people who hate something know much about it at all

Then they don't really hate it, they just think they do.

 

[Danny Ocean]

TRAINING has NOTHING to do with being able to LUNGE LIKE THAT carrying the equipment that that certain solider was carrying. Also, what do you mean by stronger? Do you mean muscle? Because if so, muscle adds weight meaning it's even less likely the soldier would be able to lunge like that. So basically, in order to lunge like that you have to have a balanced musculature and absolutely no gear whatsoever. Doesn't seem feasible to me.

Okay. My post magically disappeared. Here's a shorter version:

1. Training always makes a difference. Do anything over and over again and you will get better at it

2. Are you seriously saying that more lean muscle makes you weaker?

3. I'm not sure what you mean by balanced, but I assume you mean not top-heavy or stacked like a bodybuilder. I've never seen a soldier like that, and I've seen a lot of soldiers, as I have both a regular Army base and a Royal Marine's base in my town.

4. I actually phoned up and asked a friend of mine who used to be in the army, then the marines, then a mercenary, and is now working high-level security for the UN. He reckons it's possible to lunge 10 feet in full gear and stab someone in the heat of combat. Maybe not for the average joe riflemen, but definitely for the spec-ops depicted in these things. He does acknowledge you'd fall over if you missed, but then I never denied that.

5. My personal experience has shown me that lunging like that is actually really easy. My instructor can do it, and he's 50. If he can, these guys can.

6. I really don't have anything else to say. If this doesn't convince you, then I don't think you're able to be convinced. Reply if you want, but I won't have anything else to say beyond re-iterating these points.

 

[Dango]

Oh, it is? Hmmm... What about Mw2 and WaW? No, I'm done looking at all the new flashy stuff. I can see what will be annoying like I could in the MW2 trailers, despite telling myself they would be good. They weren't. I can see where your coming from, but no matter what, all CoDs have huge issues that will always be there. MW2 made a CoD hater from a CoD fanboy.

Look, I hated MW2 also, but you should at least give them another chance (as in at least give this game a rent), I mean, remember all those good games that they gave you?

 

[hazabaza1]

Oh, hey, a content pack for MW2, that should make people happy.
Where's that Black Ops footage you were talking about?

 

[AndyFromMonday]

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1. "Lunging" the way shown in the trailer requires a lot of physical force. The training would involve your position before jumping to achieve maximum thrust force. Giving that the video in question showed the soldier practically teleporting to the body of the enemy it's safe to assume the "lunging" style he used is impossible to copy. He simply ran, halfway through got his knife out and teleported to the body. If an animation was shown of the soldier actually lunging then that would have been another story.

2. Lean muscle? That makes no sense. What I was saying is that you need a perfectly balanced musculature. If it's to big then your mass will not allow you to lunge and if it's to low then you wouldn't have the necesarry force to "thrust" forward.

3. What I mean by balance is the sort of musculature that gives you the necesarry force to actually jump but does not hinder you in regards to mass.

4. At the moment this is irrelevant. I took another look at the video in question and the soldier didn't lunge, he teleported. He was about 10 ft or so away and then he suddenly appeared stabbing the enemy soldier in question in the back which is impossible since in order to stab someone from that distance you'd need to execute a jump and possibly stab from above, something which never happened.

5. You're joking, right? What the soldier did wasn't lunging, it was teleporting. If your instructor can do that then props to him, he managed to defy physics.

6. Look at the video in question again. The soldier does not lunge, he teleports. If you state that this is possible then by all means replicate that. Stay 10 ft away from your target and make sure that when you jump you move in a horizontal line towards the enemy.

 

[TPiddy]

Making assumptions like this before even playing the game is just stupid. You have to get to know something before you can get to hate it.

Not true.... very few people who hate something know much about it at all

Then they don't really hate it, they just think they do.

All I'm saying is that hatred spreads easily and without reason. EVERYONE is guilty of hating something without having experienced it first. Whether it's food, movies, games, it don't matter, everyone does it! They hear something about it and that becomes their opinion more often than not!

I am guilty of this as well, most recently with sushi, MW 2 and The Twilight movies. Now, upon further inspection of all 3 of these items my opinion was only confirmed, so perhaps some people have a point in forming an opinion without actually trying something .

 

[Danny Ocean]

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Oh I seeeee. So the issue is no longer whether lunging 10 feet to stab someone is possible, as it seemed to be previously. The issue is now that the speed of the lunge in-game is impossible and that way that, in game, they seem to teleport. Yeah, that's probably impossible, props to you.