Blizzard bans more SC2 hackers

[TerranReaper]

I really wondered how this forum reacted when Valve banned people for using an idle program to get items.

In any case, I really don't know why you would use trainers when there are implemented cheats you can use that practically does the same thing.

I haven't tried them, so I am just assuming. Don't those cheats disable achievements?

They do, and that's what I'm guessing is the reason behind people using trainers as opposed to achievements.

 

[Azure Sky]

I really wondered how this forum reacted when Valve banned people for using an idle program to get items.

In any case, I really don't know why you would use trainers when there are implemented cheats you can use that practically does the same thing.

I haven't tried them, so I am just assuming. Don't those cheats disable achievements?

They do, and that's what I'm guessing is the reason behind people using trainers as opposed to achievements.

I suppose that makes sense then.

 

[Ranorak]

I really wondered how this forum reacted when Valve banned people for using an idle program to get items.

In any case, I really don't know why you would use trainers when there are implemented cheats you can use that practically does the same thing.

I haven't tried them, so I am just assuming. Don't those cheats disable achievements?

Exactly, the normal (legal) cheats disable achievements.
So, why did they bother getting the trainer.

Because they wanted to cheat AND earn those achievements.
Those achievements are the first thing you see when you start playing with someone, and could very well alter your opening move. Ergo, achievements do effect multiplayer.

 

[Azure Sky]

I really wondered how this forum reacted when Valve banned people for using an idle program to get items.

In any case, I really don't know why you would use trainers when there are implemented cheats you can use that practically does the same thing.

I haven't tried them, so I am just assuming. Don't those cheats disable achievements?

Exactly, the normal (legal) cheats disable achievements.
So, why did they bother getting the trainer.

Because they wanted to cheat AND earn those achievements.
Those achievements are the first thing you see when you start playing with someone, and could very well alter your opening move. Ergo, achievements do effect multiplayer.

Not to mention that both the singleplayer and multiplayer aspects of the game take place online, there is little stopping a hack for singleplayer working on multi.

 

[Ranorak]

I really wondered how this forum reacted when Valve banned people for using an idle program to get items.

In any case, I really don't know why you would use trainers when there are implemented cheats you can use that practically does the same thing.

I haven't tried them, so I am just assuming. Don't those cheats disable achievements?

Exactly, the normal (legal) cheats disable achievements.
So, why did they bother getting the trainer.

Because they wanted to cheat AND earn those achievements.
Those achievements are the first thing you see when you start playing with someone, and could very well alter your opening move. Ergo, achievements do effect multiplayer.

Not to mention that both the singleplayer and multiplayer aspects of the game take place online, there is little stopping a hack for singleplayer working on multi.

exactly,

There is nothing stopping people from having a fun match against a Computer enemy with zero building time and invulnerable units.
Just don't expect an achievement.

 

[Th37thTrump3t]

The problem is that SP has a sort of scoring and achievement system and when you use all of these hacks and shit you are boosting all of these stats making it imposible for someone who is playing the game the way it is supposed to be played to rise up on the leaderboards. Honestly I thank Blizzard for doing this.

That problem is Blizzards doing.

And why is that? Because they wanted to put in a system that rewards players for doing well in the campaign? I see nothing wrong with that. What I see wrong is how some players decide they are going to cheat the system and use hacks to cheat their way to the top of the leaderboards with some crazy-ass huge scores so that the only way someone could beat it was to use a hack themselves, thus making it less fun for the respectable player that isn't using hacks.

 

[Flying-Emu]

I really wondered how this forum reacted when Valve banned people for using an idle program to get items.

In any case, I really don't know why you would use trainers when there are implemented cheats you can use that practically does the same thing.

Pitchforks, fire, and destruction.

I think someone died, I don't quite remember. Those were good days though.

 

[yundex]

Well, if they're banning people for replacing sound effects than that's pretty stupid. Than again, you can just play as a guest. And can the regular SC2 cheats change the FOV, zoom and speed settings? Because those are awesome!

 

[bob1052]

The problem is that SP has a sort of scoring and achievement system and when you use all of these hacks and shit you are boosting all of these stats making it imposible for someone who is playing the game the way it is supposed to be played to rise up on the leaderboards. Honestly I thank Blizzard for doing this.

That problem is Blizzards doing.

It being a problem is your problem.

 

[Torrasque]

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

but the terms of use are silly.
thats like saying people in a dictatorship are brining the law uppon themselves.

You agree to the rules the first time you start the game up. You're well within your rights to decline them and return the game.

But that would involve reading them first, which I'm sure nobody does.

And that's a valid excuse to be exempt from them? =3

I'm waiting for the day when Blizz changes the terms of service for WoW (in one of the patches) to include something silly like "I agree that my character will walk on it's head every 3rd day of the month".
That would put the fear of "READ THIS BEFORE PROCEEDING" into everyone!

OT: Like other people have said, Blizzard can do what they want with their game to maintain it's integrity. I'm sure Microsoft would do this with their Xbox's if they could... oh wait.

 

[deth2munkies]

If you really want to hack single player, why not just pirate the damn game? Same basic concept, you're still breaking the TOU and will get banned either way.

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

but the terms of use are silly.
thats like saying people in a dictatorship are brining the law uppon themselves.

You agree to the rules the first time you start the game up. You're well within your rights to decline them and return the game.

But that would involve reading them first, which I'm sure nobody does.

And that's a valid excuse to be exempt from them? =3

I'm waiting for the day when Blizz changes the terms of service for WoW (in one of the patches) to include something silly like "I agree that my character will walk on it's head every 3rd day of the month".
That would put the fear of "READ THIS BEFORE PROCEEDING" into everyone!

OT: Like other people have said, Blizzard can do what they want with their game to maintain it's integrity. I'm sure Microsoft would do this with their Xbox's if they could... oh wait.

There was one online service that changed it's EULA to have a clause saying the buyer forfeits their soul, or, if they send an e-mail refusing such, they get a $5 voucher.

2-3 million people sold their souls.

 

[Canid117]

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

but the terms of use are silly.
thats like saying people in a dictatorship are brining the law uppon themselves.

Yes but you can decline a terms of use policy.

 

[thedeathscythe]

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

but the terms of use are silly.
thats like saying people in a dictatorship are brining the law uppon themselves.

Their game, their rules. You're gonna compare Blizzard to Kim Jong Il? They created the game and they made their rules for it. Nascar makes rules where your car has to weigh a certain amount, an amount that is actually very heavy and modern engineers can design cars that weigh much less (which would make the races faster), but they're the boss, so they make the rules. Do the racers and engineers want to make the cars lighter? Hell yes they do, but they gotta follow the rules. Comparing that to a dictatorship is a completing ignorant thing to do.

 

[KeyMaster45]

Didn't we do this crap at the beginning of November? Hold on....*rummages through a file cabinet labeled "Flame War Fodder" * Ah ha! Here it is: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.237974-Blizzard-Banning-Single-Player-Cheaters?page=1

and here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.238219-Blizzard-Gives-Single-Player-StarCraft-2-Cheaters-a-Time-Out-Opens-Can-of-Worms-UPDATED?page=1

I was off by a month, this came up in October not November. I think the end consensus on either side was "FIGHT TEH POWAH LET US CHEAT!! DIS IS COMMUNIZM!!" and "Tough nuts you shouldn't have cheated in the first place, blizzard's game blizzard's rules if you don't want bans don't break their rules."

Personally I don't have a problem with the bans. Blizzard has never condoned the use of third party programs that circumvent key aspects of gameplay to effectively allow the player to not play by the rules of the game that's been set before them. I say let the ban hammer swing freely and woe be unto anyone who's been cheating.

 

[Wicky_42]

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

Modding files has always been a violation, and yet the PC has seen the growth of a strong modding culture. It annoys me that Blizzard is cracking on single player cheats/hacks/whatever - if they're that worried about people being able to easily get medals and stuff, then let them run it offline or something - geez, it's not like their game is sacrosanct or something. They need to lighten the fuck up.

I cheated a lot (in single player, of course) when I was starting on PC games because I wasn't great at them and I found it fun. As I matured I came to relish the challenge of actually playing the game and pretty much never cheat, but I can easily understand the motives of those who do want to dominate the AI or mess around with something cosmetic or over powered or just plain silly. Banning these people is just stupid. If the only harm they have done is to gain some virtual awards illegitimately do a Bungie and take them away FFS.

 

[Wicky_42]

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

but the terms of use are silly.
thats like saying people in a dictatorship are brining the law uppon themselves.

Their game, their rules. You're gonna compare Blizzard to Kim Jong Il? They created the game and they made their rules for it. Nascar makes rules where your car has to weigh a certain amount, an amount that is actually very heavy and modern engineers can design cars that weigh much less (which would make the races faster), but they're the boss, so they make the rules. Do the racers and engineers want to make the cars lighter? Hell yes they do, but they gotta follow the rules. Comparing that to a dictatorship is a completing ignorant thing to do.

But modding games is a long-standing PC tradition, as is cheating in them. This is the first case of single-player cheats being penalised by anyone, and there's no call for it. Let people play their game the way they want to, where's the harm? I thought Blizzard was a better company than that before they went after single player modders as well as those actually damaging peoples' enjoyment of the game online.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

Modding files has always been a violation, and yet the PC has seen the growth of a strong modding culture.

No, it hasn't. Let's take a look at say, Unreal Tournament for example. All the maps and mods for that game are completely legal. The developers even released programs for those so inclined to do this sort of thing. The difference here is that Blizzard are stopping people who are changing game content without permission.

It annoys me that Blizzard is cracking on single player cheats/hacks/whatever - if they're that worried about people being able to easily get medals and stuff, then let them run it offline or something - geez, it's not like their game is sacrosanct or something. They need to lighten the fuck up.

I cheated a lot (in single player, of course) when I was starting on PC games because I wasn't great at them and I found it fun. As I matured I came to relish the challenge of actually playing the game and pretty much never cheat, but I can easily understand the motives of those who do want to dominate the AI or mess around with something cosmetic or over powered or just plain silly. Banning these people is just stupid. If the only harm they have done is to gain some virtual awards illegitimately do a Bungie and take them away FFS.

There are already cheats within the game for people too use if they want to. Yes, only small harm has been done, but that doesn't change the fact that what these people have done is illegal.

 

[Wicky_42]

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

Modding files has always been a violation, and yet the PC has seen the growth of a strong modding culture.

No, it hasn't. Let's take a look at say, Unreal Tournament for example. All the maps and mods for that game are completely legal. The developers even released programs for those so inclined to do this sort of thing. The difference here is that Blizzard are stopping people who are changing game content without permission.

It's always been a violation in some games, then, and yet I doubt many games don't have some sort of third party mods for them, even when Devs went out of their way to make them unfriendly to modders.

It annoys me that Blizzard is cracking on single player cheats/hacks/whatever - if they're that worried about people being able to easily get medals and stuff, then let them run it offline or something - geez, it's not like their game is sacrosanct or something. They need to lighten the fuck up.

I cheated a lot (in single player, of course) when I was starting on PC games because I wasn't great at them and I found it fun. As I matured I came to relish the challenge of actually playing the game and pretty much never cheat, but I can easily understand the motives of those who do want to dominate the AI or mess around with something cosmetic or over powered or just plain silly. Banning these people is just stupid. If the only harm they have done is to gain some virtual awards illegitimately do a Bungie and take them away FFS.

There are already cheats within the game for people too use if they want to. Yes, only small harm has been done, but that doesn't change the fact that what these people have done is illegal.

Illegal? Does that mean the police should be involved? I dunno if the EULA is even legally enforcible, what with you actually having to purchase a non-refundable good before having the option of accepting it. As to the cheats in-game, these don't cover all the options possible, or give people the freedom to really fuck around. People want to have fun their way, not through some closeted, corporate supplied and limited means.

Long story short, I think Blizzard reacted incorrectly to this. Costing someone $60 for changing a unit's sound files it bullshit - a blanket response is a failed response to something so diverse as 'modding game files'. Take away their single player medals or whatever, not their bloody game!

 

[Exort]

Wait, they're banning people who dick around in single-player? What the fuck, Blizzard? Looks like they caught the Activision clap...

I not sure about this time but last time the hacks for single player was also useable in multiplayer and that is why they ban them.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

It's against the Terms of Use policy. They brought this on themselves.

but the terms of use are silly.
thats like saying people in a dictatorship are brining the law uppon themselves.

Their game, their rules. You're gonna compare Blizzard to Kim Jong Il? They created the game and they made their rules for it. Nascar makes rules where your car has to weigh a certain amount, an amount that is actually very heavy and modern engineers can design cars that weigh much less (which would make the races faster), but they're the boss, so they make the rules. Do the racers and engineers want to make the cars lighter? Hell yes they do, but they gotta follow the rules. Comparing that to a dictatorship is a completing ignorant thing to do.

But modding games is a long-standing PC tradition, as is cheating in them. This is the first case of single-player cheats being penalised by anyone, and there's no call for it. Let people play their game the way they want to, where's the harm? I thought Blizzard was a better company than that before they went after single player modders as well as those actually damaging peoples' enjoyment of the game online.

If you want to do this then play in offline mode. Use all the trainers you want. Mod it so all the zerglings look like murlocs, little diablos, penises, whatever. But this is not the point of the trainers. Think of it if Infinity Ward banned a person who got a score of 0.0 or some absurdly low number on the training course in COD4 and then posted it in the online leaderboard. Its technically single player content, but the goal was not to try to fool around, but instead to invalidate the work of all other players for their own internet prestige.

Remember just a few days ago when SEGA had to wipe the Sonic 4 online leaderboards due to third party hackers. Well this is trying to avoid such a similar shitstorm.