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Lunar Templar said:
sweet, not even off the first page and the blizz hate is in fully effect.

anyway, good move on they're part, regardless the reason behind it
I was kind of expecting it in the first reply.

I'll admit they dropped the ball by not just having unranked singleplayer like Dungeon Defenders has, but otherwise the game worked flawless for me when I played it before work.

Likewise I haven't ever been kicked out of any game while playing because of its DRM.

Equally the DRM has never stopped any game I've ever wanted to play from being on a torrent site in a flash.

DRM doesn't stop me, making a good game and not being a prick is what stops me from pirating.

That and frankly I'm too disinterested in games to make the effort to torrent things anymore. I'm just glad steam and battle.net are as simple as they are, if there was a single extra step I think I'd be fully done with gaming and on the book train full time.

But I'm digressing hardcore from the original point.

Shame they didn't just put in unranked singleplayer that cannot in any way transfer to online.
 

ElPatron

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tony2077 said:
Keslen said:
Now if only they'd fix that issue where your single player game crashes if your internet connection dies.
you want them to fix your crappy connection?
Virgillio Armarndio's voice: "OOOHHHH YOU PEASANTS DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE CONNECTION TO ENJOY A GAME LIKE THIS... CRY MORE WHILE I AM PLAYING THIS WONDERFUL GAME ON MY PERFECT INTERNET CONNECTION!"

You are now aware that many countries still have a crappy infrastructure and some ISPs still turn off their internet service for a few minutes every day.

inb4 "games are a luxury, etc"
 

Tony2077

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ElPatron said:
tony2077 said:
Keslen said:
Now if only they'd fix that issue where your single player game crashes if your internet connection dies.
you want them to fix your crappy connection?
Virgillio Armarndio's voice: "OOOHHHH YOU PEASANTS DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE CONNECTION TO ENJOY A GAME LIKE THIS... CRY MORE WHILE I AM PLAYING THIS WONDERFUL GAME ON MY PERFECT INTERNET CONNECTION!"

You are now aware that many countries still have a crappy infrastructure and some ISPs still turn off their internet service for a few minutes every day.

inb4 "games are a luxury, etc"
there not a luxury if there not then what are they
 

ElPatron

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tony2077 said:
there not a luxury if there not then what are they
So are you saying that because people don't live in country X or Y they shouldn't enjoy a game?

If you aren't, address the issue in another way because the contrast between my post and yours really makes it look like it.
 

SlaveNumber23

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I preordered the Diablo 3 Collectors Edition from Australian Game and it was delivered to me at around 9am on the 15th, guess I was lucky?
 

Tony2077

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ElPatron said:
tony2077 said:
there not a luxury if there not then what are they
So are you saying that because people don't live in country X or Y they shouldn't enjoy a game?

If you aren't, address the issue in another way because the contrast between my post and yours really makes it look like it.
I'm asking if there not a luxury then what are they?
 

ElPatron

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tony2077 said:
I'm asking if there not a luxury then what are they?
And I am asking, "why does it matter to you?"

I obviously said inb4 "games are a luxury item" because it's not a proper argument. If someone is able to pay for Internet connection and the game, then they are allowed to enjoy the game independently of their circumstances.

What do you have to earn in making generalizations about internet connections (because they are far from perfect in some countries)?

And I say this as someone who has a very reliable fiber connection. I am still against totalitarian DRM that makes a luxury item unobtainable for people who can afford it - which kinda goes against the whole concept of "luxury".
 

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ElPatron said:
tony2077 said:
I'm asking if there not a luxury then what are they?
And I am asking, "why does it matter to you?"

I obviously said inb4 "games are a luxury item" because it's not a proper argument. If someone is able to pay for Internet connection and the game, then they are allowed to enjoy the game independently of their circumstances.

What do you have to earn in making generalizations about internet connections (because they are far from perfect in some countries)?

And I say this as someone who has a very reliable fiber connection. I am still against totalitarian DRM that makes a luxury item unobtainable for people who can afford it - which kinda goes against the whole concept of "luxury".
ask a simple question and you go on a rant guess i know what your berserker button is
 

ElPatron

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tony2077 said:
ask a simple question and you go on a rant guess i know what your berserker button is
The question had nothing to do with the argument at all.
 

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ElPatron said:
tony2077 said:
ask a simple question and you go on a rant guess i know what your berserker button is
The question had nothing to do with the argument at all.
so i was just asking since i gave my two cents about this

captcha sod's law i have no idea what that is
 

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Bat Vader said:
He wants them to fix their totalitarian DRM. Blizzard does understand that LANs exist, right? I mean Starcraft II basically single-handedly killed the LAN party, not to mention the ramifications it had on the tournament scene. Diablo 3 is doing the same. Why does Ubisoft get grated for this but Blizzard gets away with it?
how is being online to play this game so evil[/quote]Not everyone has a great internet connection and people should not be punished because of it. The same exact thing happened when Assassins Creed 2 was released. People had to be connected to the internet to play the game. I believe AC2 was patched later on though so people could play it without having to always be connected to the internet.

If someone wants to play the campaign by themselves by making their session private why should they still have to be connected to the internet? Hopefully Blizzard patches in an offline mode in the future.[/quote]

The difference being that AC2 had no justification for that DRM. Id say D3 does. To avoid abuse and things because of the auction houses and cracks/cheats etc with the trading system.

Ive always found this whole "not everyone has a great internet connection" thing to be a bit silly. Unless your living in the stone ages..youll have broadband, I dont know a single person that has dialup anymore, even my open-brethren friend got broadband...and hes not allowed a TV. On top of that, broadband is always on, and problems with it are generally far and few between. If they tried doing this 5-6 years ago, THEN that kind of argument would be perfectly fine, now though, I find it hard to agree. And if your internet is cutting out every day, or having the sort of problems that would genuinely cause problems with D3, thats more a problem with you and your ISP. A bad connection has no affect on your game(ie a slow one), a BROKEN connection, ie one that cuts out frequently, is not normal and should be fixed, thats not Blizzards fault.
 

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Doom-Slayer said:
Bat Vader said:
The difference being that AC2 had no justification for that DRM. Id say D3 does. To avoid abuse and things because of the auction houses and cracks/cheats etc with the trading system.

Ive always found this whole "not everyone has a great internet connection" thing to be a bit silly. Unless your living in the stone ages..youll have broadband, I dont know a single person that has dialup anymore, even my open-brethren friend got broadband...and hes not allowed a TV. On top of that, broadband is always on, and problems with it are generally far and few between. If they tried doing this 5-6 years ago, THEN that kind of argument would be perfectly fine, now though, I find it hard to agree. And if your internet is cutting out every day, or having the sort of problems that would genuinely cause problems with D3, thats more a problem with you and your ISP. A bad connection has no affect on your game(ie a slow one), a BROKEN connection, ie one that cuts out frequently, is not normal and should be fixed, thats not Blizzards fault.
Thing is, not everyone does have that reliable internet and there is always the issue of travel or LAN. I've had really good experiences with a LAN party that actually did take place while traveling (weird story, but was awesome none-the-less). Blizzard is pushing something that makes the most economic sense for them (ensuring that the RMAH is available for everyone increasing the chance someone might give in and drop even more money on a $60 game), but I personally don't want to see the gaming industry heading down that road where progress in a game can be assigned an easy real money value and sold to someone else.

So while there is a very logical reason for why Blizzard should have it always online (and yes there are more reasons than just the RMAH, but it is a major focus and I don't want to make an even bigger wall of text) but at least to people like me it only makes the lack of an offline single player mode even more frustrating.

closer to OT:
Also, apparently the servers have been going through hell during launch, and doing something like this is probably going to help them brush aside that issue.
 

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eventhorizon525 said:
Thing is, not everyone does have that reliable internet and there is always the issue of travel or LAN.
I posted this in another thread but Ill restate my main point. A majority of people DO have reliable(ie broadband) internet. Over 50% of people (in the US at least, and yes I have sources) have broadband now, and if your broadband connection is terrible and cutting out, thats an isolated incident and needs to be sorted with your ISP, its not the "norm"

I have to agree, not having LAN does suck(bothered me with SC2) but you simply cant include it if your going online only. But overall..with how fast,cheap and widespread broadband is becoming now, this really isnt an issue to a majority of people. Yes some people will be stuck with dialup or having bad internet, but its a tiny proportion of the population, and compared to the advantages it will bring with cutting out cheaters etc, clearly its worth it to them.


TL:DR It sucks yes, but if you have bad internet, deal with it, your the minority.
 

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I posted this in another thread but Ill restate my main point. A majority of people DO have reliable(ie broadband) internet. Over 50% of people (in the US at least, and yes I have sources) have broadband now, and if your broadband connection is terrible and cutting out, thats an isolated incident and needs to be sorted with your ISP, its not the "norm"

I have to agree, not having LAN does suck(bothered me with SC2) but you simply cant include it if your going online only. But overall..with how fast,cheap and widespread broadband is becoming now, this really isnt an issue to a majority of people. Yes some people will be stuck with dialup or having bad internet, but its a tiny proportion of the population, and compared to the advantages it will bring with cutting out cheaters etc, clearly its worth it to them.


TL:DR It sucks yes, but if you have bad internet, deal with it, your the minority.
First a disclaimer: My internet is fairly stable at my primary residences, though there are occasionally times this isn't the case (and often enough I do pay attention to whether a game is always online or not).

More to the point; simply because a group may not be the majority (and I would actually like to see the sources you have, curious to see the specific numbers) doesn't mean it shouldn't raise its concerns (rationally). Dismissing a group because "oh you guys are the minority" is not a good precedent. To be fair, your earlier posts weren't doing this, but the more recent ones were starting to stray toward an area that wouldn't do your position justice. There are people who don't have a strong enough standard internet connection, but also people whose home internet is good, but when traveling or away they don't have anything reliable meaning the always online factor still comes up as an issue.

Also I dispute that it is actually removing any of the would-be cheaters. Instead it is making the game directly support what they wanted to do, eg: buy items for real money. Only difference is the money now moves through Blizzard's hands. This is like a school seeing they have some problem with people buying essays online. Rather than do their best to block and stop this behavior, the school instead starts letting students sell essays to each other through the school. While obviously Diablo 3 isn't an educational institution, the point remains.
 

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Jesus. Nice ne blizz.

Now I wish BioWare did this when the same thing happened with Mass Effect 3 in the UK... but alas BioWare do not seem as awesome as Blizzard.
 

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eventhorizon525 said:
More to the point; simply because a group may not be the majority (and I would actually like to see the sources you have, curious to see the specific numbers) doesn't mean it shouldn't raise its concerns (rationally). Dismissing a group because "oh you guys are the minority" is not a good precedent. To be fair, your earlier posts weren't doing this, but the more recent ones were starting to stray toward an area that wouldn't do your position justice. There are people who don't have a strong enough standard internet connection, but also people whose home internet is good, but when traveling or away they don't have anything reliable meaning the always online factor still comes up as an issue.
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0703/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6741959/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/broadband-use-tops-dial-up-us-homes/

http://www.nasrecruitment.com/docs/white_papers/Internet_Usage_United_States.pdf

The main 3 I found, Ive seen more but those are just the ones I remembered.To be honest, I dont play the game, nor do I plan to. I have no idea whether or not their online only thing will be effective or not in whatever reasons they are doing it, but thats not really my point. My point and my main problem is a lot of peoples constant argument for this being that "but we dont have very good internet/most people have bad internet" etc etc.

Broadband last I checked was incredibly common, my grandmother has broadband. Its becoming so popular that I suspect within the next 5-10 years dialup will dissapear and close on every home will have always on internet access.

And no, disregarding a minority isn't exactly a great thing, but for them its simply practicality. A vast majority of their target audience has boradband, and they wanted a DRM system(for whatever reason), so this option had has no negative affect on a vast proportion of gamers, so they used it.


Also I dispute that it is actually removing any of the would-be cheaters. Instead it is making the game directly support what they wanted to do, eg: buy items for real money. Only difference is the money now moves through Blizzard's hands. This is like a school seeing they have some problem with people buying essays online. Rather than do their best to block and stop this behavior, the school instead starts letting students sell essays to each other through the school. While obviously Diablo 3 isn't an educational institution, the point remains.
Except the point of a school is to learn, so that you can actually be a useful member of society. The point of a game is to have fun, and that can be done in a huge number of ways. The reason they included the auction house is to avoid a black market/outside market, and make it safer for item buyers and sellers.

yes they do get a cut and clearly theres a huge moneymaking opportunity for them, but for the gamers it means you can easily sell of excess items, buy other items all without the risk of being ripped off. Or if you dont like it, ignore it completely, its simply an additional feature.

Ill agree that no the situation isnt perfect, but the problem isnt as big as people make it out to be. Give it a few years and msot games will be doing something similar, and this will be a non issue.