BlizzCon '09: Blizzard Announces WoW: Cataclysm

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John Funk

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Drendude42 said:
Gawd, its ALREADY hard to find a horde player that isnt a pally..

Also, i have checked a few other sources and it IS going to be every race / every class.


I'm so pumped for this, now maybe i won't be so sick of leveling thorugh 10-40 over and over and over again. maybe i can reach my goal of every class at max level =/
No, it's not going to be every race/every class. They're wrong :p

ph3onix said:
No, no, no, no, no, no! Tauren palladins, Dwarf Shamans, Troll druids?!?! What the fuck blizz? You crazy? Seems to me that they don't know any lore. Also, fuck this, Mulgore burned? NO!
Troll Druids - Hey, look at Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman. Plenty of Trolls turning into animals there.

Tauren Paladins - Tauren have been curious about the power of the Sun compared to the Druids' worship of the moon.

Dwarf Shamans - the Wildhammer clan are very shamanistic.

I think they know the lore better than you do. ;)
 

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CantFaketheFunk said:
Troll Druids - Hey, look at Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman. Plenty of Trolls turning into animals there.

Tauren Paladins - Tauren have been curious about the power of the Sun compared to the Druids' worship of the moon.

Dwarf Shamans - the Wildhammer clan are very shamanistic.

I think they know the lore better than you do. ;)
Could of fooled me. Blizzards excuse for Draenei joining the Alliance makes me snigger ever time.

But yer, I don't have much problem with these class changes.

Horde need to be balanced with another Pally, and Taurens are about as close as they're going to get to a Holy race.

Troll Druids make perfect sense.

Alliance need more shamans and Worgens don't make much sense, so...actually scrap that, they make a hell of a lot more sense than Dwarfs! Couldn't the Night Elves teach them or something? Oh whatever...
 

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Dear god please tell me this is a horrible joke and at the end of blizzcon everyone gets rick rolled saying no chance in hell.
 

hazakura

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Well,in all honesty,I havn't played W.o.W In forever for the sheer fact that I kept getting eaten by wolves. Now if this exspansion turns out to be everything that it's supposed to be. I'm willing to give W.o.W a second chance.


Also, I hope being a worgen means that wolves will eat me.


For the Horde! Wait,uh, For the alliance? Really, werewolfs on the alliance...? Screw it,For the rouges!
 

Lizmichi

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I'm kind of torn. It seems like they spent some much to hype of Wrath of the Lich King just to make another expansion less then a year later. Yes I was excited for Wrath but Cat.. not so much. Adding 5 levels is... dumb. There doesn't seem to be much to this. I don't really want to spend $40 on a filler expansion. However, the worgon looks good and YES FLYING MOUNTS IN AZAROTH. I've wanted that for quite awhile. But... still there's the Lich King... he's still around. So much for Ice Crown Citadel.
 

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CantFaketheFunk said:
oliveira8 said:
Well guess I'm not going back to WoW anytime soon.
Frankly, Cataclysm looks pretty freakin' sweet, to be honest.
Undead Hunters = hell to the fucking yeah.
I'm unsure about some of these new class/race combinations but for the most part I welcome them with open arms. Finally we can play some of the combos we've always wanted to, and customisation now is going to be much, much deeper.
 

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Ranooth said:
Sigh there just milking that poor cow carcass now, and i just lost my 10 quid bet, i thought the 3rd expansion would be based on The Emerald Dream
Emerald Dream is going to be the last expansion for WoW. The end all of the game.
 

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Arbitrary Cidin said:
Well played, Blizzard. I've been an anti-warcraft type for a while, insisting that they've gone too long with the same crap and add-ons not being enough. But this sounds more like an expansion that plays like a sequel. I'm still not gonna play, but it looks admirably good.
I like your style. At least you're open minded, instead of being one of these 'blizzard = evil!!!1' types.
 

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Blood_Lined said:
Because a tauren is a member of the Horde. The Horde is EVIL, Paladins are lawful good, and can be lawful good ONLY, so an evil race playing as the most holy of all classes makes absolutely no sense at all to me, which also applies to the blood-elves, they should not be allowed to play as paladins either.
First, the Horde aren't inherently evil. Both factions are really more of a grey. Sure, Alliance has a whiter tint and Horde has a blacker tint, but both are balanced with good and evil qualities. Example: Humans may be followers of the light and champions of order, but they're also renowned for being xenophobic pricks.

Second, Tauren are likely the least evil of the Horde races. They're really more of a truly undefined color, with several tribes that each have their own opinions and values. Cairne joined the horde because Thrall aided him, not because he wanted to smash Kal'dorei faces in. Tauren could have every reason to be lawful good. And like someone else said, tauren have a distinct interest in the sun (opposing the Night-elves' moon focus).

Third, uhm... Blood elves? They're not exactly the nicest bunch. See also: Scarlet Crusade. Yeah, they're real lawful good. I think you're confusing WoW paladins for 3.5e D&D paladins, here.

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Blood_Lined said:
Paladins are lawful good
Scarlet. Crusade.
Oh bother, ninja'd on that last bit.
 

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Michael_McCloud said:
Blood_Lined said:
Because a tauren is a member of the Horde. The Horde is EVIL, Paladins are lawful good, and can be lawful good ONLY, so an evil race playing as the most holy of all classes makes absolutely no sense at all to me, which also applies to the blood-elves, they should not be allowed to play as paladins either.
First, the Horde aren't inherently evil. Both factions are really more of a grey. Sure, Alliance has a whiter tint and Horde has a blacker tint, but both are balanced with good and evil qualities. Example: Humans may be followers of the light and champions of order, but they're also renowned for being xenophobic pricks.

Second, Tauren are likely the least evil of the Horde races. They're really more of a truly undefined color, with several tribes that each have their own opinions and values. Cairne joined the horde because Thrall aided him, not because he wanted to smash Kal'dorei faces in. Tauren could have every reason to be lawful good. And like someone else said, tauren have a distinct interest in the sun (opposing the Night-elves' moon focus).

Third, uhm... Blood elves? They're not exactly the nicest bunch. See also: Scarlet Crusade. Yeah, they're real lawful good. I think you're confusing WoW paladins for 3.5e D&D paladins, here.

Armitage Shanks said:
Blood_Lined said:
Paladins are lawful good
Scarlet. Crusade.
Oh bother, ninja'd on that last bit.
I elaborated further on some of my previous posts. I am well aware of the Blood-elf background, to a certain extent, and as the Tauren, I am well aware that they are the most good of the "evil" group. However from a black and white perspective, which is where I am coming from from my very first post, the alliance=good, while the horde=evil. The Tauren, whether or not the are evil themselves, are still members of the evil horde as a whole, and due to this, should not be allowed to play as the most holy of races besides the priest. I know that the Blood-Elves EVIL-LY bend some form of magic to make themselves paladins, but I still disagree with this idea, and personally, I believe that any horde should not be allowed to play as a paladin at all.
 

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Amnestic said:
The undead just want to be accepted
The small interlude with Sylvanas in the book Arthas: Rise of the Lich King suggests that the Banshee Queen is what most people would describe as 'evil'.

The Royal Apothecary Society did almost all of their experiments with her consent. Do you want to know why she was pissed? Because they acted too early. If they'd waited, she'd have been stood alongside Putress screaming death to the Scourge and death to the living.

Wrynn being (in my book) a complete asshole (all he cares about is his personal vendetta, screwing it up for everyone, he's an awfull king).
Personal vendetta? Please. He's acting in the best interest of his country and the fact that he hasn't gone and marched all over Lordaeron is a testament to his patience. The Forsaken are in no position at all to stand up to Stormwind (which is easily the largest faction by at least four times as much as the Orcs) and the dwarves of Ironforge. If Varian committed himself to taking Capital City, a place he holds dear to his heart, he could do so.

But he hasn't. Interesting that.

Then there's the whole Garrosh farce (Watch the Ulduar trailer. Check who draws their weapons first. Check who knocks down the most powerful sorceress in the land.). There are only so many affronts to his nation he can take. Peace for the sake of peace has you come off as weak. Again, people think so little of Jaina that they have no issue with running over her because she comes off as a weak leader. Varian, on the other hand, is obviously ready to do what needs to be done.

And on top of that, there's the whole mess with Garona. So, look at it from this way: You've gone to a peace negotiation with the Horde, no weapons allowed. During this time, you see the Half Orc who murdered your father in front of your innocent child eyes. You not only see her, she's come to assassinate you as well. This Half Orc who, by the way, killed your father under orders from the Old Horde.

What would you think? A no weapons negotiation with a Horde assassin come to kill you? I'd be pretty goddamn pissed at the Horde as well. Yes, she wasn't acting under orders from the Horde, but what reason does Varian have to believe that? He's had nothing but poor encounters with them since the day they walktzed through the Dark Portal.

And yet, he was one of the main proponents for the internment camps. He's a merciful king and you know it. Most people will scoff and say "Internment camps, Amnestic? But those are most certainly bad!" and I would respond: No. They're not. Your land has been beset by strange, green skinned invaders who have killed and plundered their way across your homeland, killed your father and the people you held dearest to you and ransacked your home city.

Eventually however, they're defeated. You now have three choices: Let them go, which is foolish by any stretch of the imagination. You could murder every last one of them, which is what most people would do. After all, they owe nothing to these invaders who clearly aren't human and they have caused unhealable pain to the populace of Stormwind. Or, you could keep them in camps where they would be both protected from outside mobs and couldn't regroup to attack them.

And Varian supported the camps! The most kind choice to both his people and the invading orcs. Personal vendetta indeed.

/rant off
first of all, because for all her wierdness she is one of the more interesting characters in the game, garrona killed king llane wrynn under the magical compulsion of medivh, a human, not ogrim, the warchief of the old horde. second, like most humans and elves varian was a proponent of not a ever so harmless internment camp but instead the complete extermination of the orcs. third, no one likes garrosh. fourth, war is rarely in the best interest of one's country, and fighting in neutral ground is never wise.

varian is traitor and a part of the royal alliance. take him away.

then make jaina, the most powerful human sorceress who can still use her magic abillity, the functional leader of the alliance.
on an additional note i think thrall is awesome and that he, jaina, tirion, and malfurion should form an azerothion council, i know a good spot in trisfal.
and varian can't come because he's a hotheaded warrior who can't even use magic.
meh
 

John Funk

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Lizmichi said:
I'm kind of torn. It seems like they spent some much to hype of Wrath of the Lich King just to make another expansion less then a year later. Yes I was excited for Wrath but Cat.. not so much. Adding 5 levels is... dumb. There doesn't seem to be much to this. I don't really want to spend $40 on a filler expansion. However, the worgon looks good and YES FLYING MOUNTS IN AZAROTH. I've wanted that for quite awhile. But... still there's the Lich King... he's still around. So much for Ice Crown Citadel.
Oh, we'll get to Icecrown before Cataclysm. We should find out more from that at tomorrow's Raid and Dungeons panel.
 

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I doubt I'll return even with the new expansion.
But that might be because I actually took the time to figure out what races would make certain classes the best/most fun. Now they've screwed things up for me =(.
Not that I actually paid for original WoW xD. It got boring after two days.
 

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first of all, because for all her wierdness she is one of the more interesting characters in the game, garrona killed king llane wrynn under the magical compulsion of medivh, a human, not ogrim, the warchief of the old horde.
I think you fail to see the point. What you're pointing out are meta facts. You have to view things from Varian's point of view. His father got killed by an Orc who had been working for the Old Horde but (supposedly) turned traitor to the Alliance side and then she betrayed them and killed King Llane in front of Child Prince Varian.

Anyone would draw the conclusion that Horde=Bad when faced with such circumstances.

econd, like most humans and elves varian was a proponent of not a ever so harmless internment camp but instead the complete extermination of the orcs
That's just factually incorrect. He was one of the few Alliance leaders who didn't want to exterminate the orcs. There's no two ways about it. You're just wrong.

fourth, war is rarely in the best interest of one's country, and fighting in neutral ground is never wise.
You should probably mention that to the Forsaken. "They started it. And continued it. And are continuing it." springs to mind.

then make jaina, the most powerful human sorceress who can still use her magic abillity, the functional leader of the alliance.
Oh please. Jaina's about as inspiring a leader as a wet towel.