BNP to appear on Question Time at BBC - Antifacists break into building

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jamesworkshop

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People have a big problem we in the UK like to think we are extremly tolerant (and we are) but that also means showing toleration to those who show none in return or those with political views contary to our own.
We have to allow the BNP their say its the only way to see people for who they truly are.
 

JanatUrlich

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Anyone see that footage of those women being dragged out along the floor?

Fucking hilarious.
 

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Wadders said:
If it's on iPlayer, I'll watch it. Damn having no telly at uni...

I just want to see what happens.
It won't be live on iplayer, but it appears you can watch the programme live on the Question time website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/default.stm
 

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I will say, in order to have a truly tolerant society, the intolerant must be the only thing not tolerated.

Also, the BNP have been found guilty of having illegitimate recruitment policies (IE, non-white British citizens are barred from joining). Until that is rectified, they should not be considered a political party and so should have no argument that the BBC should give them a fair showing.

On the other hand, free speech is free speech. We can let the racist fascists speak and we can put them down. Hard. The entirety of the British mainstream political spectrum is aligned hard against the BNP - and will unite as one to condemn it. I can see Jack Straw, who I dislike seriously, having a crowning moment of awesome in putting down this detestable demagogue. And they're more than free to do that.

The trouble with Nick Griffin is that he is in many ways an extremely intelligent and charismatic man. He is, to be frank, a fucking snake. He speaks soothingly and addresses peoples' fears who feel they're being ignored by the mainstream, and speaks to the ancient evolutionary instinct of xenophobia. It's clear how he's managed to get his support, and there's a risk that more people will believe his lies here. But, it's the only way to decisively rout the party, and so it must proceed.
 

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I shan't watch. I heard him on the radio the other day and nothings changed my opinion of the party. I find it difficult to believe the BNP exists at all, let alone that 1 million people (or ignorant SOB's?) voted for them!
However I would and will not dispute their right to appear on television etc. Freedom of speech and all.
 

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I respect the BBCs commitment to freedom of speech in all forms, so in Nick Griffins case expressing his freedom of speech, people can see what an ignorant moronic twat he is.

All these protesters are cunts, and forget that freedom of speech isnt equivalent to pick n mix. Its all or nothing.

I wont be watching though, as I have better things to do than see real intelligent politicians (who are dicks) engaging ignorant and stupid "politicians"/bigots (who are twice as much dicks).

Once more though, against those protesters, its clear the expression "you always become the thing you hate the most" is a fact. Seeing those pricks try to enforce their views like facists makes me sick. Whats the matter, you think the majority are too weak willed and stupid, and will see the BNP on tv and automatically vote for them? Grow up you ignorant, politically correct cunts.
 

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Dazza5897922 said:
benylor said:
I will say, in order to have a truly tolerant society, the intolerant must be the only thing not tolerated.

Also, the BNP have been found guilty of having illegitimate recruitment policies (IE, non-white British citizens are barred from joining). Until that is rectified, they should not be considered a political party and so should have no argument that the BBC should give them a fair showing.
They should be allowed choose who may join their group.
Why should a person be allowed in a group if all the members don't want that person in their group.
Because they're not a group, they're a political party. A political party must represent the interests of all the British people. They refuse membership to people of the "wrong" ethnicity, thus they are not representing the interests of all British people thus they are breaking the rules.

Hey, whether that makes sense of not, it's undeniable that the BNP are a truly odious organisation. While I'm loathe to do this, in this case I'd resort to using the law against them. If the law can be interpreted that way.
 
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Greyfox105 said:
But, what's wrong with Fascists? nothing wrong with Fascists.
It's just that these one's are extremely racist and such. gives Fascists a bad name.
the poor Duce would turn in his grave...
Sarcasm... I hope.

Anyway, a guy on /b/ put this better than I could:

"Destroy him? Are you people serious? The man wins every debate simply by turning up. He either gets his message accross, which means he has reached his target audience who will agree with him anyway, or he gets shouted at by raving lefties, which shows the world who the real fascists are.

Democracy is for everybody, not just who you say it is for. If they are voted for it is because the people want them there, who are these other politicians to argue with the system that they themselves avail of?"

Give the man his airtime, lest the true fascists be revealed.
 

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Dazza5897922 said:
Also, what's wrong with giving fascists credibility?
I'm a fascist and my political belief has the same right to exist just like all the others.
I may be fascist but I do not agree with the BNP because they have rascist policies but they have equal right to say what they want.
They're perfectly allowed to say what they want. It's just I'm questioning whether the BBC should be allowed to air their point of view.

I should add it's not the fascism that I am aiming to censure here. I'm vehemently opposed to it, but I specifically stated that they are...

racist fascists
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It is the racism and the combination of the two (racism + the power fascism gives the party = serious, serious problem) that I believe should be censored. It's intolerant for a start, but legally that holds no ground. The fact is that they're not a legal political party, so the BBC has no obligation to air their point of view on Question Time.

And, in fact, I in the end stated my point of view was that them appearing on Question Time might be for the best after all.

As an aside, does Fascism not involve suppressing alternative view points in itself?
 

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bernthalbob616 said:
I'll probably watch it on iPlayer.

I want to see it just to see how things turn out.
You can watch bbc one live on your computer here;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/watchlive/
 

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Dazza5897922 said:
benylor said:
I will say, in order to have a truly tolerant society, the intolerant must be the only thing not tolerated.

Also, the BNP have been found guilty of having illegitimate recruitment policies (IE, non-white British citizens are barred from joining). Until that is rectified, they should not be considered a political party and so should have no argument that the BBC should give them a fair showing.
They should be allowed choose who may join their group.
Why should a person be allowed in a group if all the members don't want that person in their group.
I agree in principle, but I must point out that those policies are very dangerous for political parties. This is another thin and blurry line that society has to walk; if democracies allow themselves to be exclusive in that way, then it becomes capable of democratically (and legitimally) excluding a minority portion of it's legal participants.
My question is; do we want that kind of power given to the democratic process?

EDIT: Fixed spelling/grammar.
 

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The protesters today were nearly worse than the bnp, and thats saying something. The threats issued were vulgar in some respects. Watching the news at the mo on it. I say let him on and let him get found out as the thicko he is. Let the nation see exactly who and what he is.
 

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i don;t understand what all the fuss is about. the freedom of speech is the freedom of speech and everyone no matter how crazy deserves the chance to speak. I mean when the KKK guys get a chance to speak on TV in America no one goes crazy and storms the studios. This whole storming the studio thing is just going to work against the protesters and make them look like bad guys and push forward this mans goals.