Bolivia's Jenine Áñez finally allows election effectively at gunpoint, loses and is going to jail

[crimson5pheonix]

low quality bant

As I had parroted many times before, he was a greedy idiot that world-wide socialists like because he said naughty things about the US and capitalism and should have stepped down to let another person from his party run and win the vote. Instead he relented and had no legitimacy from the opposition because the court ruling was a fucking meme and if you continue to argue for it you haven't even read the document it's using to justify itself. As I said before if you think this document was legitimate enough to circumvent their own constitution (and a vote on it, which he lost) then you also think that conception begins at birth and that abortion is murder, fullstop.

When he refused to step down and let another member of his party run but instead because of his inflated ego rammed a questionable court ruling to make it a FOURTH term.

Bolivian President Evo Morales signed by football club

A first division football club in Bolivia has signed President Evo Morales to play as midfielder.

www.bbc.com

Such a fucking clown, yet you would forgive him everything because he "gives it to the capitalists".

I was there and talked to people in Bolivia from different places in the country and different social circles. I met with a Venezuelan refugee that worked in a shoe-store. Another one that worked as a barber. They didn't seem very bourgeoise to me. Had the time of my life just riding around La Paz on the cable cars. Went to a national park in the jungle and swam around there with alligators and dolphins. I paid off a miner-cooperative so I could shadow them and see how they work inside the world's biggest silver mines in Potosi. What do you even know from these place besides what some journalists told you on twitter? Why would their personal experiences be any better than mine - because they agree with your world-view?

Well apparently the majority of Bolivians disagree with you. Or at least didn't see it as enough of a problem to keep him out.

 

[Iron]

Well apparently the majority of Bolivians disagree with you. Or at least didn't see it as enough of a problem to keep him out.

The majority voted against the constitutional amendment, mate. They'd vote for the party regardless because it did good to them with investments and infrastructure. Bolivia looks slick in some places. Santa Cruz can get pretty european.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The majority voted against the constitutional amendment, mate. They'd vote for the party regardless because it did good to them with investments and infrastructure. Bolivia looks slick in some places. Santa Cruz can get pretty european.

Right, but the majority also voted for Morales after he went against the referendum, clearly they weren't put off a lot by his shenanigans.

Most everyone agrees here that he probably shouldn't have run a fourth time, but it's very clear who made the bigger mistake here, it was the coup. Morales was absolutely supported by the people, as a democratically elected official. That the coup supporters are crying for another coup when they can't even rely on the hokey constitutional play is just them being little bitches.

 

[Iron]

Right, but the majority also voted for Morales after he went against the referendum, clearly they weren't put off a lot by his shenanigans.

Most everyone agrees here that he probably shouldn't have run a fourth time, but it's very clear who made the bigger mistake here, it was the coup. Morales was absolutely supported by the people, as a democratically elected official. That the coup supporters are crying for another coup when they can't even rely on the hokey constitutional play is just them being little bitches.

The coup was necessary because Morales was going too far but it was very poorly executed. He shouldn't have ran for a fourth time. Despite what he did people voted for him because they loved him, and he loved being President. They also loved what his party did, and his party as very capable of continuing his legacy. He just didn't want to step down. You guys abroad shill for him constantly and you refuse to realize he was a boastful, silly man with a massive ego that refused to do the right thing and call it quits.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The coup was necessary because Morales was going too far but it was very poorly executed. He shouldn't have ran for a fourth time. Despite what he did people voted for him because they loved him, and he loved being President. They also loved what his party did, and his party as very capable of continuing his legacy. He just didn't want to step down. You guys abroad shill for him constantly and you refuse to realize he was a boastful, silly man with a massive ego that refused to do the right thing and call it quits.

Because he's also an effective politician and widely supported. Mistake that it was to run again, it definitely wasn't something to coup over and the coup has done far far more damage than Morales, a by all accounts good politician, being in office again.

Cry more.

 

[Iron]

Because he's also an effective politician and widely supported. Mistake that it was to run again, it definitely wasn't something to coup over and the coup has done far far more damage than Morales, a by all accounts good politician, being in office again.

Cry more.

>Cry more
Morales is a fucking meme and a pompous ass, moreso than Trump. Besides thinking he is a soccer prodigy, he said that coca-cola and fried chicken makes you bald and gay. He's an entertaining trainwreck.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

>Cry more
Morales is a fucking meme and a pompous ass, moreso than Trump. Besides thinking he is a soccer prodigy, he said that coca-cola and fried chicken makes you bald and gay. He's an entertaining trainwreck.

 

[Iron]

Imagine I did this garbage to you at the start of the thread

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Imagine I did this garbage to you at the start of the thread

Well you would look quite silly today when the side you supported is being brought up on charges while the guy you think is a criminal is coming back into the country a hero.

Though apparently I was incorrect when I said he would be keeping out of politics, apparently.

 

[Iron]

Well you would look quite silly today when the side you supported is being brought up on charges while the guy you think is a criminal is coming back into the country a hero.

Though apparently I was incorrect when I said he would be keeping out of politics, apparently.

I didn't support the coup. I opposed Morales, not his party, because I know he is an egomaniac asshole. You're too blind to cheer for some fatso who thinks he can play soccer professionally because he said the US was bad.

 

[Seanchaidh]

I didn't support the coup. I opposed Morales, not his party, because I know he is an egomaniac asshole. You're too blind to cheer for some fatso who thinks he can play soccer professionally because he said the US was bad.

Really zeroing in on the important issues, there.

 

[Iron]

Really zeroing in on the important issues, there.

The only important issues you lot have is blindly supporting any anti-US leader out there no matter what. If he had resigned and allowed someone else from the party to inherit him, instead of going for a FOURTH turn, none of this would have happened. You have absolutely no argument against it - he did the wrong thing. You mock me because you feel superior. You pretend to care about people who live halfway across the world just because they are doing what you could never do - resist the US. You envy them. Yet you are so much richer than them, and you wouldn't go out of your way to help them.

 

[Seanchaidh]

The only important issues you lot have is blindly supporting any anti-US leader out there no matter what. If he had resigned and allowed someone else from the party to inherit him, instead of going for a FOURTH turn, none of this would have happened. You have absolutely no argument against it - he did the wrong thing. You mock me because you feel superior. You pretend to care about people who live halfway across the world just because they are doing what you could never do - resist the US. You envy them. Yet you are so much richer than them, and you wouldn't go out of your way to help them.

Oh, yeah, he totally should have changed his behavior because a bunch of fascists who are trying to do the same thing again even now had the help of OAS to manufacture a fraudulent election malfeasance narrative and oust him with the help of military and police.

 

[Iron]

Oh, yeah, he totally should have changed his behavior because a bunch of fascists who are trying to do the same thing again even now had the help of OAS to manufacture a fraudulent election malfeasance narrative and oust him with the help of military and police.

He. should have. stepped down. He is known well enough in S. American, he could have done what was posted earlier in this thread and left the reigns of the part to someone else. It was his fault he didn't foster a replacement when he knew he couldn't run for a FOURTH term when even the first-term nullification was fishy as is. Stop seething at the obvious opposition he has, he shouldn't have ran for a fourth time, his party won anyway and would have won without him easily.

 

[Seanchaidh]

He. should have. stepped down. He is known well enough in S. American, he could have done what was posted earlier in this thread and left the reigns of the part to someone else. It was his fault he didn't foster a replacement when he knew he couldn't run for a FOURTH term when even the first-term nullification was fishy as is. Stop seething at the obvious opposition he has, he shouldn't have ran for a fourth time, his party won anyway and would have won without him easily.

He literally could and did run for a fourth term and won the election by over ten points.

 

[Iron]

He literally could and did run for a fourth term and won the election by over ten points.

Read this shit.
come on.

Bolivia’s Morales loses referendum for fourth term

President loses hotly contested poll by slim margin barring him from seeking fourth term in office.

www.aljazeera.com

Morales had said he was prepared to give up on a fourth term if voters rejected the bid.
“With my record, I can leave happily and go home content. I would love to be a sports trainer,” the Spanish newspaper El Pais quoted him as saying.

American Convention on Human Rights - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.cidh.oas.org/basicos/english/basic3.american%20convention.htm

"1. Every person has the right to have his life respected. This right shall be protected by law and, in general, from the moment of conception. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life."
Ban on abortions. Same document.

Your guy shat on the constitution of the country he wanted to lead. He said he would retire if he lost the referendum, then he backed out, probably after he figured out he was a shit soccer player.

You guys are so persistent

edit:

HRW condemns Bolivia dismissal of judges

Human Rights Watch (HRW) accused Bolivia on Monday of undermining judicial independence in the country by arbitrarily dismissing nearly 100 judges since 2017 and called for the Organization of America...

www.jurist.org

According to HRW, President Evo Morales has taken a stance against judicial independence. HRW reports, in “October 2018, for example, he said that judicial independence was a ‘doctrine of North America,’ meaning the United States, and of ‘capitalism.'”

JUDICIAL INDEPENDENCE IS A DOCTRINE OF CAPITALISM. YAY SOCIALISM.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Oh no, the Supreme Court of Bolivia allowed the winning candidate to run in the election

 

[Silvanus]

As I had parroted many times before, he was a greedy idiot that world-wide socialists like because he said naughty things about the US and capitalism and should have stepped down to let another person from his party run and win the vote. Instead he relented and had no legitimacy from the opposition because the court ruling was a fucking meme and if you continue to argue for it you haven't even read the document it's using to justify itself.

Had no legitimacy.... from the opposition? And here I thought a mandate given by popular vote was enough.

As I said before if you think this document was legitimate enough to circumvent their own constitution (and a vote on it, which he lost) then you also think that conception begins at birth and that abortion is murder, fullstop.

This is such insensible rambling. Nobody in their right mind would conclude that if you believe 1) the party that overwhelmingly wins the election should rule the country, then 2) You must also believe in every other passage in the Bolivian Constitution.

My argument doesn't rest on the Bolivian constitution being inarguably correct in all things. My argument simply rests on the fact that he didn't break the law, and he won the popular vote, none of which are disputable.

The coup was necessary [...]

I didn't support the coup.

Which one is it?

The fact is that when you say the constitutional referendum result should have been respected, you're saying the Bolivian peoples' will overrides all other concerns. But you cannot hold that position while simultaneously saying that a party that lost the election and has no popular mandate should take over. That would be overriding the Bolivian people's will.

And the Bolivian people voted the MAS with a far greater margin than they voted against the Constitutional amendment.

 

[Samtemdo8]

I'm seeing people "standing up" for lack of a better word to Morales, and people denouncing him.

What's the deal really with Morales?

 

[Iron]

Had no legitimacy.... from the opposition? And here I thought a mandate given by popular vote was enough.



This is such insensible rambling. Nobody in their right mind would conclude that if you believe 1) the party that overwhelmingly wins the election should rule the country, then 2) You must also believe in every other passage in the Bolivian Constitution.

My argument doesn't rest on the Bolivian constitution being inarguably correct in all things. My argument simply rests on the fact that he didn't break the law, and he won the popular vote, none of which are disputable.






Which one is it?

The fact is that when you say the constitutional referendum result should have been respected, you're saying the Bolivian peoples' will overrides all other concerns. But you cannot hold that position while simultaneously saying that a party that lost the election and has no popular mandate should take over. That would be overriding the Bolivian people's will.

You're mistaken, I didn't quote the constitution but the document the special court for the constitution used to rule in favor of allowing Morales to run again. A ruling which was a FARCE, and I had been trying to explain this to you for YEARS.

La CIDH argumenta que la reelección no es un derecho autónomo

Durante la primera audiencia pública de solicitud de Opinión Consultiva ante la CorteIDH, la CIDH presentó los argumentos que sostienen que la reelección presidencial no es un derecho humano.

www.paginasiete.bo

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The Bolivian people voted against a fourth consequtive term for Morales, and he ignored it.

Oh no, the Supreme Court of Bolivia allowed the winning candidate to run in the election

You deserve Trump winning 2020.