Books/quotes on dating & the human psyche

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ideitbawx

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It seems that somewhere down the line, this thread got misinterpreted. Apparently I'm now a misogynistic computer program that encourages men to be assholes. A nice response from my fellow nerds, I must say ...

I don't think a book can change a person's life, but it can help them see things from an angle they never considered before. Isn't that the function of art?

Here are some books that have helped me immensely:

David DeAngelo - Double Your Dating (also: the Deep Inner Game & Body Language DVD's)
-why? because so much of human interaction is based around how we think. The Deep Inner Game and Body Language DVD's help teach mental awareness and how to look for social cues from people, whereas the "tricks" people keep mentioning are more from the actual DYD book, which is pretty fuckin shallow compared to the rest of his material.

yes, he's a dating guru, so people automatically throw up red flags like crazy. the least you could do if you're looking for help is to give it a chance. a lot of what he has to say is surprising, because it's not just some "lost soul" who found some good techniques and spews them; there's a lot on the psychology of both women and men that shows how both sides can either falter, or prosper.

Dr. Paul Dobronsky - MindOS
-why? back to the above point: so much of what we do is based around how we think. here's a model of human psychology that views it like a computer, and how we can take charge of the data we let in and the data we let out. if this seems too far out for you, just hit the back button: you're in the wrong thread.

Wayne Dyer - How to be a No-Limit Person
Wayne Dyer - Your Erroneous Zones
-why? because these books can help you deal with the negative aspects of your thoughts that can "hold you down" that maybe you weren't sure were present in the first place.

-the same can be said for:
Frank Farrelly & Jeff Brandsma - Provocative Therapy
Michael Hall - Mind-Lines
Robert Moore & Douglas Gillette - King Warrior Magician Lover

FJ Shark - How to be the Jerk Women Love
-i love including this one because people always seem to forget the "that women love" part on the end of the title. this book is by a "former nice guy" who wanted to keep his courtesy and level head, but get just enough into the "jerk" mindset to see why he was always the single one.

So, if anyone feels compelled to put up anything condemning these books, at least put up internal references from the books themselves instead of just lambasting the titles. I'd call you a bunch of shallow-minded twats for that, but that's not very mature, and I'd be over-generalizing.

But the idea was to build a logical resource page, not create a debate on "the ethics of dating gurus", because I know a lot of them are full of shit. that's why actual psychology is key, not just a list of "tricks".
 

Good morning blues

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I don't want to shit on this thread before it gets off the ground, but honestly, the vast majority of this "PUA" crap - and I recognize a few names there as "pick-up artists" - is just a load of reductionist, misogynistic bullshit. It's great to read a book about how improving yourself and interacting with women as equal human beings will increase your success in dating, but some of these people are going to try to tell you that there is a method that you can follow to get laid, and that's just misogynistic. These are people, not machines.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying that these books are useless, I'm saying that their good ideas are buried under mountains of reductionist, instrumentalist crap.
 

000Ronald

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*sigh*

I don't think a book can help you with serious attachment issues, buddy. I also hold the firm belif that books cannot rearange your brain (unlike being born under very odd circumstances, fucking aspergers...).

Also, I'm not looking for a one nighter; I'm looking for a serious emotional relationship.

ideitbawx said:
But what makes you think-
Double Your Dating?

King Warrior Magician Lover?

How To Be The Jerk That Women Love?


These are not titles that help you find someone to spend your life with; as that's exactly what I'm looking for, then I belive none of this may be of any use to me.

I'm also getting a vibe that you're actually some kind of computer program that posts on different forums, convincing people to be jackasses.

Apologies if I'm mistaken.
 

Daouzin

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Good morning blues post=18.72377.758098 said:
some of these people are going to try to tell you that there is a method that you can follow to get laid, and that's just misogynistic. These are people, not machines.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying that these books are useless, I'm saying that their good ideas are buried under mountains of reductionist, instrumentalist crap.
This is my exact problem with watching or reading anything like that. I don't really think anyone needs that. I think it simply takes people to be more confident in themselves and if there is something in the way of that, then that's an aspect of themselves they should fix before actively pursuing a relationship.

Maybe they'll run into a relationship while they're fixing it, great, run with it, but I didn't get into a relationship till I was 19, then I've had one every year since. The only difference in me now, then me from then, is that I think extremely highly of myself and girls take note of that.

The asshole approach does work, I've dated above "my league" because of that. Girls aren't really that complicated, they're like guys you know, people. They don't want guys treating them special because they're girls, they want guys that will be mean to them (playfully) in certain scenarios as long as those same guys are "really sweet" when it's important.
 

ideitbawx

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The_Logician19 post=18.72377.758238 said:
Double Your Dating?

King Warrior Magician Lover?

How To Be The Jerk That Women Love?


These are not titles that help you find someone to spend your life with; as that's exactly what I'm looking for, then I belive none of this may be of any use to me.

I'm also getting a vibe that you're actually some kind of computer program that posts on different forums, convincing people to be jackasses.

Apologies if I'm mistaken.
first off, did you try looking up some of these titles?

eg, King Warrior Magician Lover is a psychology book on the archetypes of the human male, and how we use them every day; this book can help you focus the negative and destructive (not physically, necessarily) archetypes into more constructive forms, which can help you find yourself before finding a lover to spend your life with.

How to Be the Jerk Women Love and Double Your Dating are about focusing on the positive aspects of "the jerk mindset" while removing everything that's negative about it (that's where the "that women love" part comes in). there are some "tricks" that get mentioned, but it's more about getting your psychology together, which can help you find someone to spend the rest of your life with.

and no, i'm not a computer that encourages people to be jackasses. i'm a 3-headed squirrel with seven eyes and 2 3-inch cocks that encourages people to open their minds and see things from as many perspectives as they can. i'll leave the jackassery-encouragement to you

EDIT: i also want to thank you for trying to put words in my mouth. not only did you try to crucify me, you tried to shove your hand up my ass like a puppet and speak for me! wow, if this keeps up, i won't have to say anything ever again
 

MarcusStrout

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Now, hold on there chaps, don't judge a book by its title.

David Dieda- A Guide To The Superior Man
Check it out. Borders lets you read some online, or all of it in the store :p