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Romidude said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Romidude said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Wakikifudge said:
Any religious text. Seriously, the world would be a lot more peaceful without religion.
HA! War would exist ether way, and don't destroy books, It's monstrous
Name one war that wasn't Religiously driven or Politically driven (I.E. DEM R TEH COMMEIZ SHEWT DEM!).
All war is political. And every war past 1500's. WW1, WW2, AMERICAN CIVIL WAR, AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WAR OF 1812, French Revolution, and Vietnam War.
Civil wars? Are you serious? That's just idiotic bickering, Revolutions are by the people, for the people. Vietnam war was created by just how fucking stupid some people are. And the World Wars were already stated.
Right, because no wars have been based on economy. EVER.
 

Nieroshai

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The Austin said:
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Anti-religious bullshit incoming! Take cover!​
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Anyway, now that that mandatory thingy-majigger is over, I'm going to go for the exact opposite of what I just warned about. I think that Richard Dawkins' The God Dilemma needs to get burned. Why? Because I'm allowed to believe what I want, and having a book calling me a dumbass isn't going to change my mind.
Is it really so wrong that I believe in something rather primitive? No sir, no it is not. It may be primitive, silly, all around unlikely, but you know what? It makes me happy. So I reserve the right to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky.

Edit: It's actually called The God Delusion. I apologize to any fans, readers, or devout worshipers of this piece of literature that I may have offended.
I agree on the right to believe in whatever. However, you note Christianity as primitive. Not trying to be a dick at all, just ranting on a point.
Believing in a religion is more than superstition. Superstition is primitive because it is created by one's own imagination rather than genuine thought, and can be disproven.
Nobody has disproven whether there is a god or not, whether there is a soul or not. And a lot of philosophical and logical process goes into apalogetics(defending the validity of the religion). My best example is that psionics fit in with quantum theory, but psionics(the ability of the mind to interact with quantum fields, possibly because the mind is a quantum field) are neither matter nor matter-based energy that can be measured. Yet it affects matter and energy. Is this what the soul is made of? Psionics? A conscious essence that is somehow neither matter nor traditional energy, but influences both?
Whether this is true or not is yet to be found, but is it not a valid science? Therefore not primitive. Admittedly, there are "primitive" christians, but I believe psionics make the soul, and therefore the supernatural, possible as quantum entities.
 

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jwien001 said:
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So what books do you want thrown on the burning pile?
None. No matter how bad the book or evil/stupid the author, I would never advocate the burning of any book. To destroy ideas for any reason is fundamentally wrong. If you dislike a book, write a critical review or satirize it, but don't burn it. You don't kill someone because they have a different opinion that you.
Same here, no matter how vile or horrible a book is, I could never advocate destroying a book (Even garbage like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or as it was publish in America as the International Jew. Basically that book is what partially inspired the massive wave of anti-Semitism which led to the Holocaust). Still even garbage like that can teach us a lesson, mainly the lesson of why you shouldn?t trust everything you read.

Even Twilight has some importance to people, even if it is incredibly shallow and clique, but think about it like this, if we didn?t have Twilight to kick start the new popularity in Vampires, would we have gotten the new wave of media inspired to jump start the other good vampire genres (or bring more popularity to Charlene Harris?s True Blood series).
 

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Wakikifudge said:
Any religious text. Seriously, the world would be a lot more peaceful without religion.
Wouldn't burning people's religous text just make them angry and even more violent?
 

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Twilight needs to burn!​
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there's no excuse for the existence of slop like that
 

Feralcentaur

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Dango said:
Romidude said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Romidude said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Wakikifudge said:
Any religious text. Seriously, the world would be a lot more peaceful without religion.
HA! War would exist ether way, and don't destroy books, It's monstrous
Name one war that wasn't Religiously driven or Politically driven (I.E. DEM R TEH COMMEIZ SHEWT DEM!).
All war is political. And every war past 1500's. WW1, WW2, AMERICAN CIVIL WAR, AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WAR OF 1812, French Revolution, and Vietnam War.
Civil wars? Are you serious? That's just idiotic bickering, Revolutions are by the people, for the people. Vietnam war was created by just how fucking stupid some people are. And the World Wars were already stated.
Right, because no wars have been based on economy. EVER.
Usually religon's just the excuse to convince people to go to war when the reasons are more likely to just be greed or fear.
 

Nieroshai

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I don't believe in book burning because it shows I believe no one should read it. But for the sake of the forum: How to Win Friends and Influence People. Learned nothing from that tripe.
 

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Nieroshai said:
The Austin said:
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Anti-religious bullshit incoming! Take cover!​
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Anyway, now that that mandatory thingy-majigger is over, I'm going to go for the exact opposite of what I just warned about. I think that Richard Dawkins' The God Dilemma needs to get burned. Why? Because I'm allowed to believe what I want, and having a book calling me a dumbass isn't going to change my mind.
Is it really so wrong that I believe in something rather primitive? No sir, no it is not. It may be primitive, silly, all around unlikely, but you know what? It makes me happy. So I reserve the right to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky.

Edit: It's actually called The God Delusion. I apologize to any fans, readers, or devout worshipers of this piece of literature that I may have offended.
I agree on the right to believe in whatever. However, you note Christianity as primitive. Not trying to be a dick at all, just ranting on a point.
Believing in a religion is more than superstition. Superstition is primitive because it is created by one's own imagination rather than genuine thought, and can be disproven.
Nobody has disproven whether there is a god or not, whether there is a soul or not. And a lot of philosophical and logical process goes into apalogetics(defending the validity of the religion). My best example is that psionics fit in with quantum theory, but psionics(the ability of the mind to interact with quantum fields, possibly because the mind is a quantum field) are neither matter nor matter-based energy that can be measured. Yet it affects matter and energy. Is this what the soul is made of? Psionics? A conscious essence that is somehow neither matter nor traditional energy, but influences both?
Whether this is true or not is yet to be found, but is it not a valid science? Therefore not primitive. Admittedly, there are "primitive" christians, but I believe psionics make the soul, and therefore the supernatural, possible as quantum entities.
Actually, I was only calling it primitive because it is referred to as such in Mr. Dawkins' book.

I don't at all believe that Christianity is primitive.
 

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Romidude said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Romidude said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Wakikifudge said:
Any religious text. Seriously, the world would be a lot more peaceful without religion.
HA! War would exist ether way, and don't destroy books, It's monstrous
Name one war that wasn't Religiously driven or Politically driven (I.E. DEM R TEH COMMEIZ SHEWT DEM!).
All war is political. And every war past 1500's. WW1, WW2, AMERICAN CIVIL WAR, AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WAR OF 1812, French Revolution, and Vietnam War.
Civil wars? Are you serious? That's just idiotic bickering, Revolutions are by the people, for the people. Vietnam war was created by just how fucking stupid some people are. And the World Wars were already stated.
Ok most terrorism is based on religious fanatic views. The World Wars were politics but the war on terror is mainly religious.
 

Feralcentaur

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The Austin said:
Blind Sight said:
The Austin said:
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Anti-religious bullshit incoming! Take cover!​
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Anyway, now that that mandatory thingy-majigger is over, I'm going to go for the exact opposite of what I just warned about. I think that Richard Dawkins' The God Dilemma needs to get burned. Why? Because I'm allowed to believe what I want, and having a book calling me a dumbass isn't going to change my mind.
I'm guessing you're talking about the God Delusion, right? I wouldn't say the book flat-out calls you a dumbass, no more then most religious texts do, in fact I saw the God Delusion primarily as a book that explained how morality is an independence factor within human society that shapes religion, rather then vice-versa. This argument, I feel, NEEDS to be brought to light in the modern world. Too many people who feel future shocked are arguing that religion dictates morality, when in fact it's the changing attitudes of social morality that dictates what religion teaches (hence why we don't sell our daughters into sexual slavery, which the Old Testament allows).
I suppose that you have a point.
While I'm most certainly against a lot of things in the bible, my main attachment to religion is simply that I believe there is some form of entity that holds the universe together. I've never read the bible, I don't go to church, but I believe that there HAS to be some form of energy -weather you call it god, karma, science, whatever- that must exist.

Silly? Sure. Impossible? Nay!
Hooray for silliness! Without whimsy and ridiculousness everything would be so boring! (makes me wish I was a Wizard)
Wakikifudge said:
Romidude said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Romidude said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Wakikifudge said:
Any religious text. Seriously, the world would be a lot more peaceful without religion.
HA! War would exist ether way, and don't destroy books, It's monstrous
Name one war that wasn't Religiously driven or Politically driven (I.E. DEM R TEH COMMEIZ SHEWT DEM!).
All war is political. And every war past 1500's. WW1, WW2, AMERICAN CIVIL WAR, AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WAR OF 1812, French Revolution, and Vietnam War.
Civil wars? Are you serious? That's just idiotic bickering, Revolutions are by the people, for the people. Vietnam war was created by just how fucking stupid some people are. And the World Wars were already stated.
Ok most terrorism is based on religious fanatic views. The World Wars were politics but the war on terror is mainly religious.
Aren't pleny of terrorists just pshycopaths, criminals and certain groups of Anarchists? (Wait isn't a group of Anarchists an oxymoron?)
 

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There's this manga adaptation of a netorare H-game.

Let's just say it's rather upsetting.
 

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While I in no way advocate the destroying of books, I would be particularly pleased if Wizard's First Rule never existed. Also, I would almost say Kick-Ass if not for the significantly better movie that spawned from it.
 

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Mikeyfell said:
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Twilight needs to burn!​
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there's no excuse for the existence of slop like that
Girls need to fantasize about something sexy too like you probably do too
<.<
And so no one can argue with me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4uuGvmAxTI
 

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To destroy a book is to destroy a storage of precious knowledge.

Though I won't give a damn if every single book by L Ron Hubbard accidentally fell into a giant fire pit.
 

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I'm not about to take a stand and say I support atheism, but you may be right, but also think about the past and even today.

The Crusade is a prime example. Men, women, and children slaughtered over relgious belief. Wars may exist, but take the Middle East as well. Iran was assaulted because their neighboring countries didn't agree with their religion.

Religion gives people hope though, but it is not religion itself, but peoples' intolerance towards other religions.
 

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SimuLord said:
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The title pretty much explains the thread, name some books that were just so bad that you want them to be eliminated.

This mostly comes as a response to the Outliers: The Story of Success, a new book gaining alot of praise. The author, Malcolm Gladwell, basically argues that factors such as what time of the year you were born can determine how successful you are in some fields. I hate this book with a passion, mostly because it acts like what I call faux academia,where an author pretends to use scientific data to back up their claims, when in reality all they're using is broad statistics that they can use to make themselves appear right. Gladwell just dumbs down a ton of sociology in order to come to his conclusions, and what drives me nuts is that people are actually going along with his ideas, despite the fact that they have no real evidence behind them. Also, this might make me sound like a university elitist, but if you claim all the shit he does in the Outliers, I expect a fifty or sixty page bibliography at the end. Most editions of the Outliers don't have any pages devoted to references.

So what books do you want thrown on the burning pile?

EDIT: Because satire is hard to convey on the internet, let me make it clear that I'm not saying we should go out and start burning books we hate. This is more a discussion on terrible books then anything else, so please, no more quoting and empty moralizing on how 'burning books is anti-intellectual and wrong, blah blah blah.'
You and I clearly had opposite reactions to Gladwell's core thesis. And if you'd read the book and understood it you'd know why Gladwell's time-of-year theory works.

You need to spend 10,000 hours reading. Maybe you'll get better at it.
Please do not talk down to me merely because you disagree with me. You know nothing of what I study, learn, or read, and simply saying that Gladwell's thesis is too complex for me to understand reflects poorly on you, not me.

The fact is that the book is pretty much re-using theories from previous sociologists and stating them like they're brand new. He basically takes pre-existing ideas and dumbs them down to the point where 'Ma and Pa' examples can be used. His statistical analysis of almost everything in the book is incorrect and poorly handled, and his research abilities are limited to that of a first-year university student. In short, Gladwell makes claims that make very little sense at times, backs them up with poor data, and takes the bare roots of certain concepts in order to back his theories. The problem with this work is that he shifts his data in a way that supports his thesis, despite much of it being inaccurate.

I'm not the only one who disagrees with Gladwell's theories, the Outliers was a component in my Social Movements and Globalization class, where my professor pointed out that the book lacked any kind of critical thinking, and he also noted that all his examples and metaphors were very obviously picked in order to support his thesis, and thus could be easily picked apart.