Box Office: 'Warcraft' Is A $430 Million Flop

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/07/13/box-office-warcraft-is-a-430-million-flop/#61c182879edc

I truly believe this movie failed because it was given to the wrong hands because the production team for this movie is really mediocre.

The screenwriter Charles Levitt has an extremely poor list of movies.

Paul Hirsch of Empire Strikes Back fame probably cut too much from this movie. Heck the finale of the movie reminded me of Empire in that it cuts between 2 events. And that was one of the thigns no one liked in Empire Strikes Back so why is he repeating his mistake?

The actors playing the HUmans were so poor and miscast and unknown that either the director does not know how to work with actors or someone needs to fire the casting agents. And that does not mean Warcraft does not have compelling "Human" chracters there are, heck one chacarter in the games is voiced by Bernard Hill of Theoden fame. This humans needed to be played by Proven A list actors, And Travis Fimmel and Dominic Cooper are far from A list.

And the director oh boy 2 small indie movies that were not blockbuster successes and this is the guy you hoped would spearhead a possible movie franchise?

And the music composition you'd think this would be easy, EASY to replicate Warcraft's increadible orchestral soundtrack, but no they don't hire Russell Brower instead they hire Ramin Djawadi of Game of Thrones fame and yet his composition for the movie's score was increadibly bland:


Compared to the actual game's music:




The movie just could have been done better justice than what we got. They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct and Howard Shore on music.

 

[Parasondox]

Well, at least the Pokemon Go movie will do well. Oh, you haven't heard?

More video game movies to come even if the track records are shitty.

HOLLYWOOD. JUST STOP!!!

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Well, at least the Pokemon Go movie will do well. Oh, you haven't heard?

More video game movies to come even if the track records are shitty.

HOLLYWOOD. JUST STOP!!!

As in a pokemon movie BASED on Pokemon GO the mobile game?

 

[Zontar]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

 

[Zontar]

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box Office numbers aren't a determiner of quality, and the Hobbit movies are critically abysmal when compared to the Lord of the Rings movies:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_fellowship_of_the_ring/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_two_towers/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_return_of_the_king/

And sure they did better critically then Warcraft, but I sure didn't enjoy them as much, and I'm not a fan of either series so I didn't go into either with a bias.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Moon made $9 million worldwide on a $5 million budget, Source Code made $147 million worldwide on a $32 million budget.

Moon wasn't a smashing success, granted, not quite making twice as much as it cost, but how is Source Code not considered a significant success, given that it made its budget over 4.5 times?

To compare, Avengers had a budget of $220 million, and made $1.5 billion, or 6.8 times the budget. And that is considered to be one of the most successful movies of all time.

Not arguing with you on some aspects, but dismissing Duncan Jones' earlier successes is a bit short-sighted, especially when you consider he was one of the most passionate people on-set about the Warcraft film and wanting to make it work. Duncan Jones, in an interview post release [https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/07/duncan-jones-warcraft-interview/]

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box Office numbers aren't a determiner of quality, and the Hobbit movies are critically abysmal when compared to the Lord of the Rings movies:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_fellowship_of_the_ring/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_two_towers/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_return_of_the_king/

And sure they did better critically then Warcraft, but I sure didn't enjoy them as much, and I'm not a fan of either series so I didn't go into either with a bias.

It would still give Warcraft a chance at sequals.

And the reason the movies were "flawed" is because Peter had to redo the whole movie from scratch.

And yes Box Office does techinically demtermine a movies quality. I mean Guardians of the Galaxy has its audiance, Transformers has its audiance.

But than again the movie industry is bloated with safe and familiar and proven to work movies.

Warcraft would have worked best as a big budget TV Animated Series.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box Office numbers aren't a determiner of quality, and the Hobbit movies are critically abysmal when compared to the Lord of the Rings movies:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_fellowship_of_the_ring/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_two_towers/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_return_of_the_king/

And sure they did better critically then Warcraft, but I sure didn't enjoy them as much, and I'm not a fan of either series so I didn't go into either with a bias.

It would still give Warcraft a chance at sequals.

And the reason the movies were "flawed" is because Peter had to redo the whole movie from scratch.

And yes Box Office does techinically demtermine a movies quality. I mean Guardians of the Galaxy has its audiance, Transformers has its audiance.

But than again the movie industry is bloated with safe and familiar and proven to work movies.

Warcraft would have worked best as a big budget TV Animated Series.

...So, what does that mean for movies that aren't successful initially, but find success on the home video market? Are they bad movies that suddenly are good now?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Moon made $9 million worldwide on a $5 million budget, Source Code made $147 million worldwide on a $32 million budget.

Moon wasn't a smashing success, granted, not quite making twice as much as it cost, but how is Source Code not considered a significant success, given that it made its budget over 4.5 times?

To compare, Avengers had a budget of $220 million, and made $1.5 billion, or 6.8 times the budget. And that is considered to be one of the most successful movies of all time.

Not arguing with you on some aspects, but dismissing Duncan Jones' earlier successes is a bit short-sighted, especially when you consider he was one of the most passionate people on-set about the Warcraft film and wanting to make it work. Duncan Jones, in an interview post release [https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/07/duncan-jones-warcraft-interview/]

I am aware of his passion and I believe he did care for the material, but goddamn it what were you doing when you were directing the Human Actors? You could not take notes from the game's acting?

 

[Parasondox]

Well, at least the Pokemon Go movie will do well. Oh, you haven't heard?

More video game movies to come even if the track records are shitty.

HOLLYWOOD. JUST STOP!!!

As in a pokemon movie BASED on Pokemon GO the mobile game?

I think. Or just a movie based on... I dunno. Need sleep.

Can't wait for Tetris movie. For some dumb fucking reason!!

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Well, at least the Pokemon Go movie will do well. Oh, you haven't heard?

More video game movies to come even if the track records are shitty.

HOLLYWOOD. JUST STOP!!!

As in a pokemon movie BASED on Pokemon GO the mobile game?

I think. Or just a movie based on... I dunno. Need sleep.

Can't wait for Tetris movie. For some dumb fucking reason!!

Oh man if they make the pokemon CGI with "realistic" features like this:

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

I also want to point out another thing. One of the issues you had with Duncan Jones is that he was handed a "blockbuster to be", if you will, despite his only other movies being indie films, rather than giving the Warcraft movies to someone with proven success like Peter Jackson.

Here are the movies Peter Jackson directed prior to LotR: The Frighteners, Forgotten Silver, Heavenly Creatures, Braindead aka Dead Alive, Meet the Feebles, and Bad Taste.

While Jackson had directed more movies than Duncan Jones, only Heavenly Creatures and The Frighteners made over $1 million in the box office, and neither of those two were remotely as successful as Duncan Jones' two movies.

In terms of success:

Spoiler: box office analysis stuff

Bad Taste was fairly successful, making its budget back 5 times over.
Meet the Feebles barely broke even.
Braindead was an outright flop, making just over 1/12th of its budget back.
Heavenly Creatures barely made any profit (made an extra $438,000 past its initial $5 million budget.
Forgotten Silver made a total of $26,000, which I'm assuming is a flop even without any budget info.
The Frighteners made $3 million over budget, but with a budget of $26 million, that's not a big success, either.

Now, I'm not saying that Peter Jackson wouldn't have done great with Warcraft. That's something that will never be known. My point was that, prior to LotR, Peter Jackson's career was much less convincing than Duncan Jones', if any comparison can be made to the two.

 

[Parasondox]

Well, at least the Pokemon Go movie will do well. Oh, you haven't heard?

More video game movies to come even if the track records are shitty.

HOLLYWOOD. JUST STOP!!!

As in a pokemon movie BASED on Pokemon GO the mobile game?

I think. Or just a movie based on... I dunno. Need sleep.

Can't wait for Tetris movie. For some dumb fucking reason!!

Oh man if they make the pokemon CGI with "realistic" features like this:

I said I needed sleep, man! I don't need a nightmare creature in my mind.

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I also want to point out another thing. One of the issues you had with Duncan Jones is that he was handed a "blockbuster to be", if you will, despite his only other movies being indie films, rather than giving the Warcraft movies to someone with proven success like Peter Jackson.

Here are the movies Peter Jackson directed prior to LotR: The Frighteners, Forgotten Silver, Heavenly Creatures, Braindead aka Dead Alive, Meet the Feebles, and Bad Taste.

While Jackson had directed more movies than Duncan Jones, only Heavenly Creatures and The Frighteners made over $1 million in the box office, and neither of those two were remotely as successful as Duncan Jones' two movies.

In terms of success:

Spoiler: box office analysis stuff

Bad Taste was fairly successful, making its budget back 5 times over.
Meet the Feebles barely broke even.
Braindead was an outright flop, making just over 1/12th of its budget back.
Heavenly Creatures barely made any profit (made an extra $438,000 past its initial $5 million budget.
Forgotten Silver made a total of $26,000, which I'm assuming is a flop even without any budget info.
The Frighteners made $3 million over budget, but with a budget of $26 million, that's not a big success, either.

Now, I'm not saying that Peter Jackson wouldn't have done great with Warcraft. That's something that will never be known. My point was that, prior to LotR, Peter Jackson's career was much less convincing than Duncan Jones', if any comparison can be made to the two.

Well regardless of the comparison Duncan Jones fucked up this movie and he failed at making a proper Warcraft movie, All he succeed is in the look of the movie, and did the Orcs side of the story well.

And again Duncan Jones is not the only one at fault the screenwriter for this movie is the most mediocre screenwriter possible given his background. Charles Leavitt:

Sunchaser (1996)
The Mighty (1998)
K-PAX (2001)
Blood Diamond (2006)
The Express (2008)
Seventh Son (2014)
In the Heart of the Sea (2015)
Warcraft (2016)

 

[Hawki]

Well, that sucks.

I'm not going to point fingers, but either way, I'm certainly not counting on a sequel anytime soon. I think that at best, we'd see EU material continuing the film rather than a second proper installment. Unless Activision's own internal film production studio does it, and I'm not counting on it that they will.

But at the end of the day, I will admit that the movie just isn't that good. I enjoyed it, true, but I can't ignore the issues it has with pacing, acting, and editing.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Well, that sucks.

I'm not going to point fingers, but either way, I'm certainly not counting on a sequel anytime soon. I think that at best, we'd see EU material continuing the film rather than a second proper installment. Unless Activision's own internal film production studio does it, and I'm not counting on it that they will.

But at the end of the day, I will admit that the movie just isn't that good. I enjoyed it, true, but I can't ignore the issues it has with pacing, acting, and editing.

Why did Paul Hirsch repeat his eariler mistake of switching bewtween 2 climactic scenes?

And appearently 40 minutes of the movie was cut to make it 2 hours long.

Is 40 minutes enough to butcher a movie?

And regarding the acting the Orcs acted well enough and yet the Humans had the most screentime of this movie and yet Duncan Jones failed to make them act better. They should have hired A list actors.

 

[Fox12]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box office numbers?

Michael Bay best director confirmed. Citizen Kane worst movie. Also, weren't you the one defending the director, saying his dad died of cancer? And I thought this film made money?

Honestly, it's hard enough to adapt a game, much less an MMO, to film. It was about as bad as I thought it would be, and while I think any story can potentially be good, at least part of the blame lies with the source material, which isn't really suited for film.

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Had I watched the film after LotR, I would have hated it. However, I was able to enjoy both this and Snow White by comparing them to The Hobbit. People should embrace Warcraft for the pulpy nonsense it is. I suspect it may build a cult following in the coming years.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box office numbers?

Michael Bay best director confirmed. Citizen Kane worst movie. Also, weren't you the one defending the director, saying his dad died of cancer? And I thought this film made money?

Honestly, it's hard enough to adapt a game, much less an MMO, to film. It was about as bad as I thought it would be, and while I think any story can potentially be good, at least part of the blame lies with the source material, which isn't really suited for film.

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Had I watched the film after LotR, I would have hated it. However, I was able to enjoy both this and Snow White by comparing them to The Hobbit. People should embrace Warcraft for the pulpy nonsense it is. I suspect it may build a cult following in the coming years.

It can be with the right direction and the right vision.

I can imagine a better movie than Duncan Jones.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

Dang it. Now they're never gonna make a WarCraft III movie, and that's when the Lore gets insanely good!