Box Office: 'Warcraft' Is A $430 Million Flop

[Pseudonym]

Spoiler

Well, at least the Pokemon Go movie will do well. Oh, you haven't heard?

More video game movies to come even if the track records are shitty.

HOLLYWOOD. JUST STOP!!!

As in a pokemon movie BASED on Pokemon GO the mobile game?

I think. Or just a movie based on... I dunno. Need sleep.

Can't wait for Tetris movie. For some dumb fucking reason!!

Oh man if they make the pokemon CGI with "realistic" features like this:

I said I needed sleep, man! I don't need a nightmare creature in my mind.

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

What really? I think it looks kinda cute, actually.

 

[Worgen]

It was doomed to be bad since the plot of warcraft is stupidly convoluted and bad.

Name one man just tell me one.

Because not all the plots are bad.

Well, it started off with a normal fantasy plot... mostly. Orcs show up from another dimension and start wrecking humans shit. Humans fight back, close the portal or something. Then the orcs are put into internment camps and lead out by a dude who is all "let my people go" It turns out the orcs were being controlled by demons and they are actually supposed to be brown skinned then some are red if they are more demon or something. And they demons want to take over or destroy everything cause of course they do and the humans are actually being led by a dragon in disguise and there are gnomes whos home city was kinda destroyed and the troll starting zone isnt one.

The most original thing warcraft did was try to give the orcs more personality then being brutal creatures to be put down, well, that and the samurai orc but he was only there in multi and they didn't do shit with it. But, they still effed that up by just having them be the standard noble savages.

 

[Fox12]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box office numbers?

Michael Bay best director confirmed. Citizen Kane worst movie. Also, weren't you the one defending the director, saying his dad died of cancer? And I thought this film made money?

Honestly, it's hard enough to adapt a game, much less an MMO, to film. It was about as bad as I thought it would be, and while I think any story can potentially be good, at least part of the blame lies with the source material, which isn't really suited for film.

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Had I watched the film after LotR, I would have hated it. However, I was able to enjoy both this and Snow White by comparing them to The Hobbit. People should embrace Warcraft for the pulpy nonsense it is. I suspect it may build a cult following in the coming years.

It can be with the right direction and the right vision.

I can imagine a better movie than Duncan Jones.

Most of us can, but actually putting it on screen tends to be pretty difficult.

I don't know. I can't blame you for being upset. I was pretty irate after Jackson butchered The Hobbit. Hiring a young, idealistic, art director is actually a pretty good idea. It just didn't work out this time. Hopefully they'll improve the sequel, so that fans will be satisfied. I feel your pain.

*shudders at the thought of the CG Berserk films*

Peter Jackson did the Hobbit movie better justice and I have read the book before hand. And I geniuenely enjoy the Hobbit movies and book equally.

I mean scenes like this tells me this is not a bad movie:

Peter Jackson butchered the source material. He created new plot holes in his own fiction that didn't exist in the books. He shoehorned in his own fan fiction characters and scenes. Hell, he didn't even enjoy making the movie. Ian Mckellen hated it so much that he broke down crying, and said he wanted to quit acting. I'm not sure by what standard you're measuring quality, but that film trilogy was awful. Awful, and I'm sorry to say, very disrespectful. The Hobbit films were amongst the worse I've ever seen.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box office numbers?

Michael Bay best director confirmed. Citizen Kane worst movie. Also, weren't you the one defending the director, saying his dad died of cancer? And I thought this film made money?

Honestly, it's hard enough to adapt a game, much less an MMO, to film. It was about as bad as I thought it would be, and while I think any story can potentially be good, at least part of the blame lies with the source material, which isn't really suited for film.

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Had I watched the film after LotR, I would have hated it. However, I was able to enjoy both this and Snow White by comparing them to The Hobbit. People should embrace Warcraft for the pulpy nonsense it is. I suspect it may build a cult following in the coming years.

It can be with the right direction and the right vision.

I can imagine a better movie than Duncan Jones.

Most of us can, but actually putting it on screen tends to be pretty difficult.

I don't know. I can't blame you for being upset. I was pretty irate after Jackson butchered The Hobbit. Hiring a young, idealistic, art director is actually a pretty good idea. It just didn't work out this time. Hopefully they'll improve the sequel, so that fans will be satisfied. I feel your pain.

*shudders at the thought of the CG Berserk films*

Peter Jackson did the Hobbit movie better justice and I have read the book before hand. And I geniuenely enjoy the Hobbit movies and book equally.

I mean scenes like this tells me this is not a bad movie:

Peter Jackson butchered the source material. He created new plot holes in his own fiction that didn't exist in the books. He shoehorned in his own fan fiction characters and scenes. Hell, he didn't even enjoy making the movie. Ian Mckellen hated it so much that he broke down crying, and said he wanted to quit acting. I'm not sure by what standard you're measuring quality, but that film trilogy was awful. Awful, and I'm sorry to say, very disrespectful. The Hobbit films were amongst the worse I've ever seen.

Good acting, good set pieces, memroable charcaters, a story that is compelling, good immersive athmosphere, I can go on.

The Hobbit movies succeeds on those fronts for me. And I also like the book aswell (heck I own ALL the Tolkien books)



Another thing I want to mention I thought there was a thing called "Art from Adversity" heck Plinkett and his fans says the Original Star Wars movies were great because it was a pain to make, so they had to fight through the pain to make the movie as best as possible. And the Prequals suck because Lucas had full control to make it.

But if you dislike the Hobbit movies than that proves "Art from Adversity" is bullshit

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

It was doomed to be bad since the plot of warcraft is stupidly convoluted and bad.

Name one man just tell me one.

Because not all the plots are bad.

Well, it started off with a normal fantasy plot... mostly. Orcs show up from another dimension and start wrecking humans shit. Humans fight back, close the portal or something. Then the orcs are put into internment camps and lead out by a dude who is all "let my people go" It turns out the orcs were being controlled by demons and they are actually supposed to be brown skinned then some are red if they are more demon or something. And they demons want to take over or destroy everything cause of course they do and the humans are actually being led by a dragon in disguise and there are gnomes whos home city was kinda destroyed and the troll starting zone isnt one.

The most original thing warcraft did was try to give the orcs more personality then being brutal creatures to be put down, well, that and the samurai orc but he was only there in multi and they didn't do shit with it. But, they still effed that up by just having them be the standard noble savages.

The dragon in disguise is one of the more interesting stories this game has, along side the Gnomes exile from their home.

I just wanna see the best one, Arthas starting from his path to corruption and ending to his defeat on the Frozen Throne.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The only real hope for a Warcraft sequel from the moment it tanked in North America is China. The film *was* popular there. It didn't have tremendous legs, but it also wasn't a very good film. The strong opening indicates high interest. High interest is something you can build off.

China is traditionally a much smaller market than the US, but it's also the most rapidly growing box office market in the world, at an exponential rate. It's predicted that it might surpass the US in terms of size in a few years time. Therefore, cultivating a franchise that has high interest/value to the Chinese might be a worthwhile proposition for the studio, even if the first film struggled to break even.

Whether they shoot for another one or not, they need to pay better attention to scripting, casting and pacing. The first film is not without its merits, and actually shows tremendous affection for its source property (really far too much affection at times). But it's a bad film. Lurches around chaotically, does a terrible job of stage setting and character advancement, suffers through some outrageously leaden attempts at pathos, and spends much too much time winking at game fans instead of establishing its own universe.

I just wanna see the best one, Arthas starting from his path to corruption and ending to his defeat on the Frozen Throne.

The Arthas story is certainly the one that would have the widest possible appeal, because it's highly archetypal and easy to relate to for people unfamiliar with the franchise. "Orcs invade Azeroth", while the technical jumping off point for the universe as we know it, was never going to play well. Arthas has a lot of classic beats. The fallen hero, the son betrays the father, "zombie apocalypse", etc, etc. The main issue with the Arthas arc is that told properly it would require either two films or one extremely long one, and what we'd likely end up with is an impossibly busy/badly paced 2 hour film that left everyone wanting again.

 

[Fox12]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box office numbers?

Michael Bay best director confirmed. Citizen Kane worst movie. Also, weren't you the one defending the director, saying his dad died of cancer? And I thought this film made money?

Honestly, it's hard enough to adapt a game, much less an MMO, to film. It was about as bad as I thought it would be, and while I think any story can potentially be good, at least part of the blame lies with the source material, which isn't really suited for film.

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Had I watched the film after LotR, I would have hated it. However, I was able to enjoy both this and Snow White by comparing them to The Hobbit. People should embrace Warcraft for the pulpy nonsense it is. I suspect it may build a cult following in the coming years.

It can be with the right direction and the right vision.

I can imagine a better movie than Duncan Jones.

Most of us can, but actually putting it on screen tends to be pretty difficult.

I don't know. I can't blame you for being upset. I was pretty irate after Jackson butchered The Hobbit. Hiring a young, idealistic, art director is actually a pretty good idea. It just didn't work out this time. Hopefully they'll improve the sequel, so that fans will be satisfied. I feel your pain.

*shudders at the thought of the CG Berserk films*

Peter Jackson did the Hobbit movie better justice and I have read the book before hand. And I geniuenely enjoy the Hobbit movies and book equally.

I mean scenes like this tells me this is not a bad movie:

Peter Jackson butchered the source material. He created new plot holes in his own fiction that didn't exist in the books. He shoehorned in his own fan fiction characters and scenes. Hell, he didn't even enjoy making the movie. Ian Mckellen hated it so much that he broke down crying, and said he wanted to quit acting. I'm not sure by what standard you're measuring quality, but that film trilogy was awful. Awful, and I'm sorry to say, very disrespectful. The Hobbit films were amongst the worse I've ever seen.

Good acting, good set pieces, memroable charcaters, a story that is compelling, good immersive athmosphere, I can go on.

The Hobbit movies succeeds on those fronts for me. And I also like the book aswell (heck I own ALL the Tolkien books)



Another thing I want to mention I thought there was a thing called "Art from Adversity" heck Plinkett and his fans says the Original Star Wars movies were great because it was a pain to make, so they had to fight through the pain to make the movie as best as possible. And the Prequals suck because Lucas had full control to make it.

But if you dislike the Hobbit movies than that proves "Art from Adversity" is bullshit

You act like Art From Adversity is some kind of scientific law. Sometimes great pieces of art come out of adversity, because they can force the team to get creative. Other times it just leads to a steaming pile. Kubrick famously enjoyed total control over his films, and he's considered one of the greatest directors of all time. Besides, the only adversity the hobbit cast faces was the fact that none of them wanted to make that movie, and the ones that did quickly had their spirits crushed.

In any case, I don't consider a plot hole ridden, poorly paced film series with bad CGI and directing to be good. Peter Jackson could have relieved himself on Tolkiens novels, and it would have been more respectful then The Hobbit trilogy.

 

[ecoho]

so just want to point out that yes they only broke even but remember breaking even for a video game movie and one were the source material was at its weakest point(the first game)isn't bad its actually quite good. the most important thing to remember is they did well enough to get greenlit for the sequel which has both a much better story and is more familiar to fans of the series.

 

[Lacedaemonius]

so just want to point out that yes they only broke even but remember breaking even for a video game movie and one were the source material was at its weakest point(the first game)isn't bad its actually quite good. the most important thing to remember is they did well enough to get greenlit for the sequel which has both a much better story and is more familiar to fans of the series.

This wasn't good. This was a hit for the brand, and the movie was clearly only a massive exercise in branding. You should also be highly skeptical of claims from Hollywood accountants, that something "broke even".

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box office numbers?

Michael Bay best director confirmed. Citizen Kane worst movie. Also, weren't you the one defending the director, saying his dad died of cancer? And I thought this film made money?

Honestly, it's hard enough to adapt a game, much less an MMO, to film. It was about as bad as I thought it would be, and while I think any story can potentially be good, at least part of the blame lies with the source material, which isn't really suited for film.

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Had I watched the film after LotR, I would have hated it. However, I was able to enjoy both this and Snow White by comparing them to The Hobbit. People should embrace Warcraft for the pulpy nonsense it is. I suspect it may build a cult following in the coming years.

It can be with the right direction and the right vision.

I can imagine a better movie than Duncan Jones.

Most of us can, but actually putting it on screen tends to be pretty difficult.

I don't know. I can't blame you for being upset. I was pretty irate after Jackson butchered The Hobbit. Hiring a young, idealistic, art director is actually a pretty good idea. It just didn't work out this time. Hopefully they'll improve the sequel, so that fans will be satisfied. I feel your pain.

*shudders at the thought of the CG Berserk films*

Peter Jackson did the Hobbit movie better justice and I have read the book before hand. And I geniuenely enjoy the Hobbit movies and book equally.

I mean scenes like this tells me this is not a bad movie:

Peter Jackson butchered the source material. He created new plot holes in his own fiction that didn't exist in the books. He shoehorned in his own fan fiction characters and scenes. Hell, he didn't even enjoy making the movie. Ian Mckellen hated it so much that he broke down crying, and said he wanted to quit acting. I'm not sure by what standard you're measuring quality, but that film trilogy was awful. Awful, and I'm sorry to say, very disrespectful. The Hobbit films were amongst the worse I've ever seen.

Good acting, good set pieces, memroable charcaters, a story that is compelling, good immersive athmosphere, I can go on.

The Hobbit movies succeeds on those fronts for me. And I also like the book aswell (heck I own ALL the Tolkien books)



Another thing I want to mention I thought there was a thing called "Art from Adversity" heck Plinkett and his fans says the Original Star Wars movies were great because it was a pain to make, so they had to fight through the pain to make the movie as best as possible. And the Prequals suck because Lucas had full control to make it.

But if you dislike the Hobbit movies than that proves "Art from Adversity" is bullshit

You act like Art From Adversity is some kind of scientific law. Sometimes great pieces of art come out of adversity, because they can force the team to get creative. Other times it just leads to a steaming pile. Kubrick famously enjoyed total control over his films, and he's considered one of the greatest directors of all time. Besides, the only adversity the hobbit cast faces was the fact that none of them wanted to make that movie, and the ones that did quickly had their spirits crushed.

In any case, I don't consider a plot hole ridden, poorly paced film series with bad CGI and directing to be good. Peter Jackson could have relieved himself on Tolkiens novels, and it would have been more respectful then The Hobbit trilogy.

OK explain to me the plot holes and I will fill them up for you.

 

[COMaestro]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

The Hobbit movies were a train wreck because Jackson was not the original intended director and when he did end up with the job he came in and scrapped a lot of what had already been done and did almost everything on the fly. There were days where the script for a scene was given to the actors on the day of shooting because it had just been finished. Instead of having a year or so of prep time for sets, costumes, script, etc like he did for LOTR, everything was being done during filming. And it showed.

 

[elvor0]

It was doomed to be bad since the plot of warcraft is stupidly convoluted and bad.

Name one man just tell me one.

Because not all the plots are bad.

Well, it started off with a normal fantasy plot... mostly. Orcs show up from another dimension and start wrecking humans shit. Humans fight back, close the portal or something. Then the orcs are put into internment camps and lead out by a dude who is all "let my people go" It turns out the orcs were being controlled by demons and they are actually supposed to be brown skinned then some are red if they are more demon or something. And they demons want to take over or destroy everything cause of course they do and the humans are actually being led by a dragon in disguise and there are gnomes whos home city was kinda destroyed and the troll starting zone isnt one.

That's...not really explaining why the story it's bad, it's you giving a purposefully poorly written bad summary of the story. Could you present a more biased case?

You can make every plot ever sound awful if you tell it in a shit way full of run on sentences, "and then" and "or something".

Here, lets try it with Star Wars:

There's a kid who lives in the desert, and theres these bad guys who rule the galaxy and they've got this evil guy call Darth Vader or something and theres also these robots ones gold and one goes bloop bleep bloop and they land on this planet where the kid is but then Darth Vader captures this girl with all this hair whos like a princess. The kid in the desert finds this old dude who gives him a sword made of lasers and then they run away from a slug guy with a walking bear and a guy called Han Solo and then it turns out the old guy is actually a jedi who do stuff with the force, whatever that is. and then the old guy fights vader but dies but actually doesn't and maybe is a ghost and Luke blows up a spaceship and then they get and medals.

Now I'm not going to argue that the Warcraft story is some literary masterpiece, because it isn't, but if you're going to strike up an argument about how it's bad, try to be at least a /little/ less to be obtuse and facetious. Most stories are not original. Most stories follow archetypes and tropes because they work, it is not necessarily the destination but the journey that makes something memorable. The main story beats and characters of Star Wars are literally The Heroes Journey: The Movie. It's DNA couldn't be any more cliche, but we remember it because of what was contained in that cliche.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Well I know I certainly never would have gone if the ticket hadn't been bought for me...

I'll never understand the notion that this was "made for the fans." Do the fans like a crappy story and awful acting (that Kadgar fellow was particularly bad)? Even the action was pretty uninspiring. The only thing that surprised me was that the orcs somehow managed to be the best part. When I first heard that it was made for the fans, I thought that maybe it was too confusing for people who'd never played any of the games, but the story is incredibly easy to follow and takes on the standard tale of evil force makes people evil. None of the villains have interesting motivations aside from, "I am evil now and will do evil things, my eyes are green so you know I'm serious." It wasn't quite as bad as critics said and I did kind of like the ending, but all in all, I'm glad I didn't have to fork over my own money to see it.

Maybe Warcraft just has an awful plot in the first place. My only experience with it is playing custom games in Frozen Throne.

When a huge film like this can't even make its money back, it's pretty doubtful that we'll see more of it. Sucks for the "true fans" I guess, but I won't bat an eye.

 

[hermes]

From what I have seen, it appears that the biggest issue the movie has is that it is so enamored with the lore that it turns it into exposition, and becomes unwatchable. I don't see how hiring the same guy that make the music of the game, or the script, would have make it any less bland...

 

[Worgen]

It was doomed to be bad since the plot of warcraft is stupidly convoluted and bad.

Name one man just tell me one.

Because not all the plots are bad.

Well, it started off with a normal fantasy plot... mostly. Orcs show up from another dimension and start wrecking humans shit. Humans fight back, close the portal or something. Then the orcs are put into internment camps and lead out by a dude who is all "let my people go" It turns out the orcs were being controlled by demons and they are actually supposed to be brown skinned then some are red if they are more demon or something. And they demons want to take over or destroy everything cause of course they do and the humans are actually being led by a dragon in disguise and there are gnomes whos home city was kinda destroyed and the troll starting zone isnt one.

That's...not really explaining why the story it's bad, it's you giving a purposefully poorly written bad summary of the story. Could you present a more biased case?

You can make every plot ever sound awful if you tell it in a shit way full of run on sentences, "and then" and "or something".

Here, lets try it with Star Wars:

There's a kid who lives in the desert, and theres these bad guys who rule the galaxy and they've got this evil guy call Darth Vader or something and theres also these robots ones gold and one goes bloop bleep bloop and they land on this planet where the kid is but then Darth Vader captures this girl with all this hair whos like a princess. The kid in the desert finds this old dude who gives him a sword made of lasers and then they run away from a slug guy with a walking bear and a guy called Han Solo and then it turns out the old guy is actually a jedi who do stuff with the force, whatever that is. and then the old guy fights vader but dies but actually doesn't and maybe is a ghost and Luke blows up a spaceship and then they get and medals.

Now I'm not going to argue that the Warcraft story is some literary masterpiece, because it isn't, but if you're going to strike up an argument about how it's bad, try to be at least a /little/ less to be obtuse and facetious. Most stories are not original. Most stories follow archetypes and tropes because they work, it is not necessarily the destination but the journey that makes something memorable. The main story beats and characters of Star Wars are literally The Heroes Journey: The Movie. It's DNA couldn't be any more cliche, but we remember it because of what was contained in that cliche.

Its got a bad plot, but I am way to lazy at the moment to bother going through everything about it that is weaksauce. It's pretty much just a rehash of starcrafts plot and everything they add to it just makes it more convoluted. See the tentacle face people who I am to lazy to look up the name of at the moment. I don't feel the need to spent an hour refreshing myself on the plot just to argue on the internet.

 

[hermes]

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Box Office numbers and rotten tomatoes disagrees:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_an_unexpected_journey/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies/

Box office numbers?

Michael Bay best director confirmed. Citizen Kane worst movie. Also, weren't you the one defending the director, saying his dad died of cancer? And I thought this film made money?

Honestly, it's hard enough to adapt a game, much less an MMO, to film. It was about as bad as I thought it would be, and while I think any story can potentially be good, at least part of the blame lies with the source material, which isn't really suited for film.

I think another problem was that the movie had the lore of a game that really should have been skipped over as its basis. The first Warcraft game was very light on story and background, and it was retcons from later games and the expansion of lore by books that actually made it relevant to the rest of the cannon.

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct

I disagree. Jackson in my eyes has lost his touch, which was why while the LotR trilogy was a masterpiece, the Hobbit trilogy was a train-wreak. I actually enjoyed Warcraft more then the Hobbit movies despite all its faults and problems.

Had I watched the film after LotR, I would have hated it. However, I was able to enjoy both this and Snow White by comparing them to The Hobbit. People should embrace Warcraft for the pulpy nonsense it is. I suspect it may build a cult following in the coming years.

It can be with the right direction and the right vision.

I can imagine a better movie than Duncan Jones.

Most of us can, but actually putting it on screen tends to be pretty difficult.

I don't know. I can't blame you for being upset. I was pretty irate after Jackson butchered The Hobbit. Hiring a young, idealistic, art director is actually a pretty good idea. It just didn't work out this time. Hopefully they'll improve the sequel, so that fans will be satisfied. I feel your pain.

*shudders at the thought of the CG Berserk films*

Peter Jackson did the Hobbit movie better justice and I have read the book before hand. And I geniuenely enjoy the Hobbit movies and book equally.

I mean scenes like this tells me this is not a bad movie:

Peter Jackson butchered the source material. He created new plot holes in his own fiction that didn't exist in the books. He shoehorned in his own fan fiction characters and scenes. Hell, he didn't even enjoy making the movie. Ian Mckellen hated it so much that he broke down crying, and said he wanted to quit acting. I'm not sure by what standard you're measuring quality, but that film trilogy was awful. Awful, and I'm sorry to say, very disrespectful. The Hobbit films were amongst the worse I've ever seen.

Good acting, good set pieces, memroable charcaters, a story that is compelling, good immersive athmosphere, I can go on.

The Hobbit movies succeeds on those fronts for me. And I also like the book aswell (heck I own ALL the Tolkien books)



Another thing I want to mention I thought there was a thing called "Art from Adversity" heck Plinkett and his fans says the Original Star Wars movies were great because it was a pain to make, so they had to fight through the pain to make the movie as best as possible. And the Prequals suck because Lucas had full control to make it.

But if you dislike the Hobbit movies than that proves "Art from Adversity" is bullshit

It is... and they are bad movies. Almost every single thing that you mention were established in the far superior original trilogy. Almost every thing they added that was not from the books fell flat on they ass.

And "Art from Adversity" only works in hindsight. You can only prove it make the movie better after the end product. There are thousands of movies born of adversity (heck, most of them are), so if troubled production were the sign of great artistic endeavors to come, Super Mario Bros, Waterworld, Aliens 3 and The Island of Doctor Moreau would have been among the greatest movies ever made, and Daikatana and Duke Nukem Forever would be great games.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Wait? Are you shitting on the director of Moon? Did you see Moon?

Though I will agree (and apparently be in the minority) that I overall liked the Hobbit movies, despite some warts and cheese.

 

[Zhukov]

Huh.

Guess even the Chinese rescue wasn't enough. Apparently they dropped it like a hot rock after an initial surge of interest.

Also, Samtendo, weren't you championing the shit out of this movie when it released?

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

They should have just hired Peter Jackson to direct.

Dear sir, I believe you have misspelled "Guillermo Del Toro". Common mistake, I know.