What i'm trying to show is that it's more then just BPs fault, hell this entire thing was the perfect shitstorm of screw ups and lax safety measures. Blaming it all on the BP big wigs just isn't right.fundayz said:
BP: why aren't they under heavier attack? why are we not doing anything?
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Cracked is about as reliable a source as Encyclopedia Dramatica is. It's a comedy site, and things are distorted or made up (lots of hyperbole going on there).fundayz said:
BP is retarded. I agree they're being let off with too little consequences. Maybe if they put more money in maintaining the rigs and the safety on board of them, instead of dumping loads of money into BS renewable energy sources which wont be viable for many years, if ever. If they had dumped that money into something worthwhile, like fusion power, then maybe it would be like "oh, they're trying to give far more efficient power" but nope, they're just taking money form places that need it and dumping it into... well, anywhere except where it needs to be.
Well, its kinda obvious that BP isn't the ONLY entity responsible for the disaster. However, would you say that if it hadn't been for the decisions made by BP execs the disaster would still have happened?Cody211282 said:
Good point, and in fact. I'll add that to the OP.McNinja said:
To keep the nation running we need these three things:
Tobacco- The money made from selling these 3-4 dollar packs with a tax rate of near 1000% will never be opposed by our leaders.
Oil- our nations livelihood comes from selling this in just about any form at outrageous prices.
A military- we need to look good in the eyes of other nations. and because of that we only remember our plan of "isolationism" (a government act since WWI that states we, the USA will not fight in other country's affairs) during large wars that people in our country actually care about. when a chance comes along for us to step in to a war and seem like heroes (the end of WWI, the end of WWII, and the gulf wars are great examples) we fight and emerge victorious. wile when we pick fights with little countries that we don't need to get involved in, but do so we remain to be a world military power and prove were trigger happy(such as Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan) and end up losing badly and messing up the country, even if we don't do much.
Our nation is truly screwed up and it will take more then slaps on the wrist for huge mess-ups and a realization that we are not the supreme world power anymore.
Tobacco- The money made from selling these 3-4 dollar packs with a tax rate of near 1000% will never be opposed by our leaders.
Oil- our nations livelihood comes from selling this in just about any form at outrageous prices.
A military- we need to look good in the eyes of other nations. and because of that we only remember our plan of "isolationism" (a government act since WWI that states we, the USA will not fight in other country's affairs) during large wars that people in our country actually care about. when a chance comes along for us to step in to a war and seem like heroes (the end of WWI, the end of WWII, and the gulf wars are great examples) we fight and emerge victorious. wile when we pick fights with little countries that we don't need to get involved in, but do so we remain to be a world military power and prove were trigger happy(such as Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan) and end up losing badly and messing up the country, even if we don't do much.
Our nation is truly screwed up and it will take more then slaps on the wrist for huge mess-ups and a realization that we are not the supreme world power anymore.
now i havent been following the story too close or anything. But shiuldnt oil rigs have an emergency shut off valve?
We can sit here and say that BP is evil but at the end of the day it's going to change nothing as we live in a world that runs on oil. Everything we buy either has oil based materials in it or was transported on something that runs an a fuel. If all the oil in the world vanished tomorrow humanity would be in a new dark age by the end of the month, maybe even by the end of the week. As demand for oil grows,and current reserves run out companies have to look in in more difficult areas like offshore to find any.
Now I do realise that this is a terrible disaster and the area effected and all those who depend on it for a job may not recover for decades to come. I also think that BP has also suffered as well not only due to the 20 billion in repercussions but also due to its damaged reputation which is unlikely to recover. Currently it's uncertain if they will make the end of the year without being bought out. My point is that something like this was going to happen eventually. If it wasnt BP and the deepwater horizon rig it would have been somewhere else with another oil company. I just find it slightly hypoctical to sit here on my laptop made from oil based plastic, plugged into an electricity network powered by oil power stations and having spent a day driving my car fuelled by oil to say that oil companies like BP are evil.
Now I do realise that this is a terrible disaster and the area effected and all those who depend on it for a job may not recover for decades to come. I also think that BP has also suffered as well not only due to the 20 billion in repercussions but also due to its damaged reputation which is unlikely to recover. Currently it's uncertain if they will make the end of the year without being bought out. My point is that something like this was going to happen eventually. If it wasnt BP and the deepwater horizon rig it would have been somewhere else with another oil company. I just find it slightly hypoctical to sit here on my laptop made from oil based plastic, plugged into an electricity network powered by oil power stations and having spent a day driving my car fuelled by oil to say that oil companies like BP are evil.
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oh damn well thanks for telling me that since, like i said i'm not really following the story, other than the ocean life is screwed down there.Tsaba said:
I know what you mean. I passed two BP oil stations on my way to the gym today and they were full of people buying gas. I'm surprised there's no boycott and worst and rioting in the streets at best. And yes, I meant to type those two words in that order.
BP isn't an american company, so I'd hardly blame corruption in the US government on the lack of effort, even if if the government is corrupt.
BP is actually a British company, so America can't actually order them to do anything. Given the heavy damage the spill has done AND the lack of effort in stopping it or cleaning it up, I would say that we could probably call the whole ordeal an act of terrorism, as BP knows that America is being hurt badly by the spill and refuses to help out in any way. Perhaps we should march on over to Britland (<--Joke, I know it isn't called Britland) and try some martial enforcement. It'd technically be self-defense, if you stretch it a little.
BP is actually a British company, so America can't actually order them to do anything. Given the heavy damage the spill has done AND the lack of effort in stopping it or cleaning it up, I would say that we could probably call the whole ordeal an act of terrorism, as BP knows that America is being hurt badly by the spill and refuses to help out in any way. Perhaps we should march on over to Britland (<--Joke, I know it isn't called Britland) and try some martial enforcement. It'd technically be self-defense, if you stretch it a little.
okay the nuke idea is completely crazy and heres why
http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event
and the relevant escapist topic about another doomsday theory
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.211700-So-Guys-Were-going-to-all-die-this-time-again?page=1
http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event
and the relevant escapist topic about another doomsday theory
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.211700-So-Guys-Were-going-to-all-die-this-time-again?page=1
As the OP has said, BP has had an established habit of systematically ignoring regulations, including safety regulations, wherever it was profitable or convenient to do so. The "accident" in the Gulf of Mexico was no more of an accident than a shooting occuring when a loaded gun is left in an unlocked drawer in a house full of rowdy, unsupervised children.
It's also notable that the scale of the damage that has been done and continues to be done, even as the major news carriers get bored is such that the amount of oil spilled by the Exxon Valdez is poured out into the water every few days.
Also notable that the most visible signs of BP's efforts in the area have been limiting the number of brand-damaging photographs those rascally news-people take, and setting endangered sea turtles on fire.
So, yes. Dismantling BP would mean that a significant number of people would lose their jobs. That's a shame. But it's not enough of a shame to mean that it shouldn't be done. Their assets should be frozen, and the entire company should be taken apart for scrap. Because if they are allowed in any way to continue operations as they have been doing, more lives will be lost. More damage will be done. And every other oil company will get the message that ignoring regulations for profitability is just the way business is run.
As oil remains a fungible commodity, boycotting BP is not enough to punish them or change their way of doing business. It most likely just means they'd have to change markets, or perform some slight-of-hand on the backstage until the buyer has to go the extra mile to know who the real supplier is.
Any damage done by taking BP apart is incredibly miniscule compared to the damage they have done, and the damage their continued existence could do. "What else can we do?" In the present circumstances, regarding this spill, maybe not much more. But we're done and damned if we don't make tough and urgent moves towards preventing something like this from happening ever again.
It's also notable that the scale of the damage that has been done and continues to be done, even as the major news carriers get bored is such that the amount of oil spilled by the Exxon Valdez is poured out into the water every few days.
Also notable that the most visible signs of BP's efforts in the area have been limiting the number of brand-damaging photographs those rascally news-people take, and setting endangered sea turtles on fire.
So, yes. Dismantling BP would mean that a significant number of people would lose their jobs. That's a shame. But it's not enough of a shame to mean that it shouldn't be done. Their assets should be frozen, and the entire company should be taken apart for scrap. Because if they are allowed in any way to continue operations as they have been doing, more lives will be lost. More damage will be done. And every other oil company will get the message that ignoring regulations for profitability is just the way business is run.
As oil remains a fungible commodity, boycotting BP is not enough to punish them or change their way of doing business. It most likely just means they'd have to change markets, or perform some slight-of-hand on the backstage until the buyer has to go the extra mile to know who the real supplier is.
Any damage done by taking BP apart is incredibly miniscule compared to the damage they have done, and the damage their continued existence could do. "What else can we do?" In the present circumstances, regarding this spill, maybe not much more. But we're done and damned if we don't make tough and urgent moves towards preventing something like this from happening ever again.
Because we're all sitting here on the Internet complaining about it when we should be writing to our representatives. Well, you should; I'm not American.
Democracy is the one thing that big business is scared of.
You can call me clichéd left-wing hippy idiot all you want, but I honestly believe, after many years of reading and studying and analysing on all sides of various related arguments, that this kind of thing is and will continue to be an inevitable and indivisible part of capitalism. You can put in place whatever regulations you want, but like a kid hacking on DRM, it won't take long for them to be dismantled.
Democracy is the one thing that big business is scared of.
You can call me clichéd left-wing hippy idiot all you want, but I honestly believe, after many years of reading and studying and analysing on all sides of various related arguments, that this kind of thing is and will continue to be an inevitable and indivisible part of capitalism. You can put in place whatever regulations you want, but like a kid hacking on DRM, it won't take long for them to be dismantled.
You are right, we should call on the Superbestfriends.fundayz said:
So true.Onyx Oblivion said:
You can prove anything with facts! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n-UGQcG3Jw]fundayz said: