Braid Creator: New Xbox "Not a Good Choice" for The Witness
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Wow, I am just fed up with them over the "Agree to any new TOS or lose all your games". How can anyone be comfortable with that? Since that happened last year, I just don't buy much from the anymore. As for the Daily Deals, I quit bothering even checking. It's always some indie game and I am not into indie games. It's like the Daily Deal is used to promote indie devs rather than giving customers a good deal on games we want.rapidoud said:
I also think that the success of Steam is why publishers and console makers believe they can kill the used game market for consoles. They believe they can recreate the success of Steam on Live and PSN.
Might just be me, but if that's the way the wind is blowing then I actually prefer Microsoft's way of doing things. Sure, I never use most of the capabilities that my 360 has these days, and if the Nextbox is going to be even more than that, it may be more than a little irksome to pay hundreds of pounds for a console who's price-tag is bloated by features I couldn't give a shit about. However, I can put up with that on two conditions...tautologico said:
1) The console can still play games (which it will)
2) All the other shit I don't care about won't interfere when I just want to play games.
Yes, the social features displayed on the PS4 were in relation to the games, rather than their own separate thing, and that was precisely what bothered me. It seemed to me not that the social features were a passive edition to your gaming experience, but rather it was the social features themselves that were the be all and end all, and that what games you are playing and how you were playing them was just another part of the social media experience, for the braying hordes of generation facebook to pass judgement on you for.
I don't care that my Xbox 360 dashboard seems to put my Netflix membership in far more prominence than what game I have in the disk drive, so long as when I select the game, the console lets me play the game and doesn't keep butting in to remind me how great it is that I can use Netflix on it. So long as Microsoft keeps it this way, me and Microsoft don't have a problem. But if Sony will only let me play games their way, and not my way, then me and Sony will have a problem.
Newsflash, Mr. Blow. Nobody gives a flying toss about your pretentious, snobby, artsy ass.
'course, that isn't to to say M$ can't be stupid and draconian...
'course, that isn't to to say M$ can't be stupid and draconian...
No, it's not social media; it's social gaming. The PS4 is being prepped to provide a more social gaming experience. Built-in streaming/recording/screencaps, direct uploading of footage, that sort of thing. It may employ social media and its elements, but the PS4 is very much a game console above all else.NinjaDeathSlap said:
Seeing as the 360 is already trying to jack-of-all-trades it up as it is, the idea that Microsoft will push that even further with the next console is very probable, if not entirely expected.
0_0tehroc said:
Son of a *****... it's taken over Captcha! THE END IS NIGH!!
On Topic: I see his point, but to me it looks like both MS and Sony are going for the "does everything approach" to their systems. If he really wanted the most game-focused console, then he probably should've jumped on the Nintendo bandwagon. Still, I like hearing that Sony is focusing more on Indie devs this time around. I've only recently gotten into Super Meat Boy and wound up hearing about Team Meat's issues with MS for the first time the other day, so hearing that Indie devs are now getting better alternatives to MS sounds like a good thing to me.
Overall though, I still think the PC market is going to become much more dominant this next generation, especially when the new consoles are seeming more like PC / Smart TV hybrids that don't perform either task as well as an actual PC or Smart TV. Add the rise of digital retailers like Steam and GoG as well as the increasing popularity of Indie games (which are more common on PC) and things are looking promising for the PC market.
I'm with Mr. Blow on this as a consumer. Between the red ring of death and the far inferior console pure processing wise, and now if blow is right and that they want the 720 or whatever they're going to call it to be a gaming device secondarily then I probably with make a PS4 my primary console. IF sony really wants to seal the deal with me they'll make make PS network completely free for multiplayer support. Paying ANY amount on top of the base 60 dollar price to play games online and then the ISP price to maintain that connection and then simply buying the PS4 $599 or whatever their release day price tag for the console will be, is absurd and has been for a more then a few years now. It only serves to make PC gaming look even more attractive even with the high price for entry of PC rigs.
((It also appeals to me because I've got no PS3 library to be backwards compatible with))
((It also appeals to me because I've got no PS3 library to be backwards compatible with))
This is why I'm keeping an interest on new xbox announcement. Either it will intrigue me or it will be a train wreck.
To be fair the social focus is about sharing your gaming experience, I and many are skeptical at best, have no interest at worse, in the idea but it's focused on gaming as is the PS4 itself, compared to the xbox 360 and (reasonable to presume) the nextboxTheRightToArmBears said:
Well pretty much every indie developer have voiced their issues in regards to Microsoft and downloadable games. Pretty much everyone unless you developed Minecraft.
I wouldn't walk across the street to play a "Blow game". I'm damn sure not going to pick a console based on his work (or his words).
I watched Indie Game: The Movie and it left me with one core feeling. "These guys are broken husks with no interpersonal skills and a very inflated sense of self". If he had problems working with Microsoft, I'd put as much of that on him as I would them.
I watched Indie Game: The Movie and it left me with one core feeling. "These guys are broken husks with no interpersonal skills and a very inflated sense of self". If he had problems working with Microsoft, I'd put as much of that on him as I would them.
Okay, this has come up again. Jim Sterling raised this point awhile back and I just want to know, what is wrong with a console being more than just a gaming device? I have seen the specter raised that having a console that is about more than games is a negative thing, but it has never been explained to me. Can someone care to elaborate?
Thats not quite why really, I mean we haven't seen the next Xbox yet so we don't know where it's focus lies. Whilst the PS4 has all the fancy social stuff going on that social stuff itself is gaming-focused social stuff about gaming and for games, it's also something you can totally ignore. I was interested by it all but not excited over it.TheRightToArmBears said:
If Microsofts current plan of focusing on advertising on the dash and extraneous crap like netflix is anything to go by then we should be concerned over the next Xbox and what direction it will take, because that direction will help shape the market for the next half a decade or so. It's too early for anything but speculation but given Blow's whole indie dev thing it's possible microsft has introduced some unpleasant fees or something for independently published things or has some horrible exclusivity clause for them or something. Or it's possible that while Sony and Nintendo have both made moves to make things easier for indie devs, Microsoft has not and is thus less of a temptation.
I think we need to wait and see what Micrsoft throw out at us, but to get my interest it needs to be cheaper than or equal in price to the PS4. It also needs to make a Live subscription worth my money and not just a £40 shake down to play parts of games I already paid for and netflix (which I don't use and if I did I can has for free on PC or PS3 or whatever) and twitter (which i have on my phone for free...), and finally it needs to come up with a few new first party IP's or dig up some old ones from somewhere; Halo on it's own can't justify a hardware investment.
Edit: Oh and the nextbox needs to be reliable and not melt after 13 months of relatively casual use.
Also, I don't really like Mr Blow too much, find him pretentious and annoying. Mario is mainstream and uncool right? Cool story, we already knew that, thing is Mario games tend to be pretty fun and creative and Miyamoto's work has probably influenced a lot more people than Braid has.
PS network s free for online play, the Plus subscription just gets discounts and early access and stuff.Scorpid said:
$599 again would be suicide, Sony CAN'T be that stupid.
OK, so even after Sony showed us all those ridiculous social features, Blow says that PS4 is more gaming oriented than the Nextbox? What the hell could Microsoft be doing with their next console? You know there is a very real chance that if Microsoft's console fails Microsoft will cease to exist. They are already in a lot of financial trouble.
