I like Walt hes awesome i like how hes basically becoming a kingpin i kind of want to see him be a not dead version of Scarface but aslong as he dies in an awesome way ill be ok
Breaking Bad: Am I the ONLY person who is rooting for Walt?
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I am rooting for the story. I hate walt. Love him as a character, but he is scum and there is no changing that. He is not just doing this for his family anymore. If he was, he would've listen to Skylar and stopped this long ago. He is destroying them for the power trip that doing something illegal gives him. He has literally psychologically and emotionally abused Skylar and his family. He is only using his family as an excuse now. I think breaking bad has a lot in common with Death note, and like yagami I think Walt has it coming to him. He is on a downward spiral, and I love seeing him fall. I really want him to die.
Pretty much this. I was rooting for him through the whole Gus thing, this new season just put me over the edge to just hating him.erttheking said:
There are actually a lot of parallels between Breaking Bad and Dexter. The longer I watch the shows, the more I dislike the protagonists. Hell, even the support characters (Skyler and Jesse in Breaking Bad; Deb in Dexter) have lost all my support too because they're just so pathetic and helpless. I'm not sure if that's good storytelling or bad. Shouldn't I care about someone in the story?
Now that I think about it, perhaps he should have let Jessie die in "Half Measure." That was the episode where pretty much everything came undone.
That fellow wasn't exactly the best example of a stable individual either, you know?erttheking said:
Like, that's the one person you can think of that Walt killed? Hell, he was just doing exactly what he suggested "No half measures" remember?
I kinda like everybody on the show, and I really like Walt. He's not a pleasant guy, but his attitudes and actions seem fairly rational because of the situations he's in, I kinda know deep down I would act the same way.
Not to say he's not an asshole, but he's a well written asshole.
But Walt needs to die. I don't want him to, but he needs to. The show wouldn't feel complete if he didn't. Doesn't matter who kills him, but he needs to die.
Everybody else I'm fine with living or dying.
Not to say he's not an asshole, but he's a well written asshole.
But Walt needs to die. I don't want him to, but he needs to. The show wouldn't feel complete if he didn't. Doesn't matter who kills him, but he needs to die.
Everybody else I'm fine with living or dying.
Well I'm split between wanting him to get away with everything just because I like him but he did kill Mike for no reason but if he hadn't done that I'd be totally rooting for him, for now I'm on the fence. Mike was just too awesome to die like that.
Well no that wasn't the only person that Walt killed. Walt also killedAbomination said:
Jessie's girlfriend, those two drug pushers that almost killed Jessie, Krazy 8 and his pal, he almost killed that kid, he had no problem with that kid at the train job being killed, and he murdered all of the people on Mike's payroll inside prison. Also I don't see how that was taking Mike's advice. Mike was talking about no half measures to problems. Just one thing. What problem? Mike was paying all of his men and they were keeping their mouthes shut. He didn't need to kill them, he didn't need to kill Mike. Come to think of it, everything that went wrong because of Mike loosing all of his money and being forced to run for it was Walter's god damn fault himself. Walter forget about the camera so he had to use the magnet to erase the memory on the computer, which in turn put Mike in the spotlight. Not to mention he flat out said after he shot Mike that he could've just gotten the list of names from that woman that wanted them all dead anyway. I'm sorry but for your argument of Walter not taking half measures he was half assing it all the way. He didn't shoot Mike to cover his trail. He shot him because he was a spiteful, vain little prick.
I don't know how he'd be happy just getting away or anything. I think he'd only be happy as some kind of mega kingpin and even that may be barely pallatable dust in his mouth. There's no conceiveable way it could turn out well for him. For me, it's not so much a question of if everythings going to go wrong so much as what will happen to specific characters.
First of all, I love you for making this thread. With the first of the final episodes premiering on Sunday, I've been jonesing for a place to gush about my favorite show. But to answer the question, I still really like Walt as a character, I think Bryan Cranston kills it as Heisenberg, but I also think he needs to die. He has to close his loop, so to speak.
I'm hoping that the last episode opens with a flashback to when Walter was still teaching highschool, and he asks Jesse to stay after class or something to reprimand him. Walter tells Jesse that he'll never amount to anything, and that he'll probably die in a ditch or something. And then we cut back to the episode, at the end of which, Jesse shoots Walter down in the desert, just for poetic justice. That's just how I want things to go. I'll be very disappointed if the episode doesn't open like that.
I'm hoping that the last episode opens with a flashback to when Walter was still teaching highschool, and he asks Jesse to stay after class or something to reprimand him. Walter tells Jesse that he'll never amount to anything, and that he'll probably die in a ditch or something. And then we cut back to the episode, at the end of which, Jesse shoots Walter down in the desert, just for poetic justice. That's just how I want things to go. I'll be very disappointed if the episode doesn't open like that.
No OP, your not alone in wanting Walter to win. The reason i want him to win is the bleakness it would cause. Even if he wins in the end, even if he is filthy rich he still loses. There is no case in this where Walter actually come out better than he went in. His family is in shambles, his wife wants him to die, he has lies upon lies that wail eventuality fall apart. If you remember the opening to season 5, he was so alone for his birthday, looking worn and haggard as if any joy he had in his empire, in his product, in anyone he ever worked with or knew just left him. He was a shell of a man doing what needed to be done in order to survive. I mean even when he looked in the trunk he had this look of... i dont know disgust? On his face as if everything he had ever done had finally caught up with him.
Exactly, so I really do have to ask if anyone here really knows what victory would look like for him?DeepReaver said:
Urgh spoiler tags.erttheking said:
He didn't kill the girlfriend. He "let" her die. I mean, he couldn't even be certain he could save her if he tried.
The drug pushers? They were trying to kill Jessie. I'd hardly call that malicious, it was self-preservation and protecting his (at the time) friend.
Killing the people in prison? He had no obligation to them and they were going to rat him out if they weren't being paid money for something Walt wasn't responsible for. I can't call him evil for killing people who were in the same game as him. None of them were innocents.
Finally, Mike was still dangerous. He did threaten Walt and he still had power hanging over Walt's head at the time.
Walt was simply employing "No half measures".
He made mistakes, sure... he was uncaring at times, yes... but I can't call him evil.
Gus was evil. Killing a henchman to send a message? Seeking to replace Walt and slaughter his family because Walt wanted to keep Jessie (and himself) safe (at the time)?
It isn't black and white with Walt. It's just grey, grey, grey.
A series of unfortunate events.
The drug pushers? They were trying to kill Jessie. I'd hardly call that malicious, it was self-preservation and protecting his (at the time) friend.
Killing the people in prison? He had no obligation to them and they were going to rat him out if they weren't being paid money for something Walt wasn't responsible for. I can't call him evil for killing people who were in the same game as him. None of them were innocents.
Finally, Mike was still dangerous. He did threaten Walt and he still had power hanging over Walt's head at the time.
Walt was simply employing "No half measures".
He made mistakes, sure... he was uncaring at times, yes... but I can't call him evil.
Gus was evil. Killing a henchman to send a message? Seeking to replace Walt and slaughter his family because Walt wanted to keep Jessie (and himself) safe (at the time)?
It isn't black and white with Walt. It's just grey, grey, grey.
A series of unfortunate events.
Truthfully? Him dead would be victory i think. If he were to die i can almost guarantee at this point it would be a release.Lightknight said:
I agree. I think the best we can hope is that his final act will actually be meaningful and selfless. But that seems out of character right now. Getting exactly what he thinks he wants (money, power, respect) would practically be a life sentence.DeepReaver said:
I think Jesse is the protagonist now in a lot of ways. Skylar and family would do a lot better in witness protection. I'm still not 100% on how I feel about Hank. I think I like him but in other ways I don't. Not sure how to put a finger on that feeling exactly.
I can fully see walt as evil. I don't care about gus, the drug dealers or jesses girlfriend (the way i saw it, he couldn't do shit anyways, and didn't want his prints on her)
The kid at the train though, he's employing and enabling evil people.
Hiding behind the ones who kill for you doen't make you innioscent in my world. Neither does hiding behind those who order you to do so for that matter.
Also, am i the only one who's shocked by how many comments making it sound like "self preservation" is a valid reason for killing?
People who murder witnesses ar ein no way excused, just cause they where trying to save their own asses.
I find the way he kills mikes men despicable, several of them where, as far as i can tell, not violent, or murderers or anything, they where money laundrers, and office kind of people. I fon't mind gus, the gangsters or all the other evil people he kills, but to me, the ones not harming others (IMO meth users are the ones harming themselves) are unforgivable in my world.
Killing them to save his own hide makes him selfish to the extend wher it truly defines evil to me.
They are not threatening him, the consequenses of his own actions are, and he's willing to kill people to prevent that from happening.
I can't find much synpathy for mike. He was a bad bad man, even though he was a great character.
Oh btw, who else is looking forward for the Saul Goodman spinoff coming next year/2015 (can't remember which)?
The kid at the train though, he's employing and enabling evil people.
Hiding behind the ones who kill for you doen't make you innioscent in my world. Neither does hiding behind those who order you to do so for that matter.
Also, am i the only one who's shocked by how many comments making it sound like "self preservation" is a valid reason for killing?
People who murder witnesses ar ein no way excused, just cause they where trying to save their own asses.
I find the way he kills mikes men despicable, several of them where, as far as i can tell, not violent, or murderers or anything, they where money laundrers, and office kind of people. I fon't mind gus, the gangsters or all the other evil people he kills, but to me, the ones not harming others (IMO meth users are the ones harming themselves) are unforgivable in my world.
Killing them to save his own hide makes him selfish to the extend wher it truly defines evil to me.
They are not threatening him, the consequenses of his own actions are, and he's willing to kill people to prevent that from happening.
I can't find much synpathy for mike. He was a bad bad man, even though he was a great character.
Oh btw, who else is looking forward for the Saul Goodman spinoff coming next year/2015 (can't remember which)?
It is an interesting aspect of the show that individually Walt's actions can be mostly justified. Most of the time he is acting in self defense or he is not the direct source of the harm that happens to people. He does not really intend for things to go bad but he makes poor decisions that ultimately lead there.Abomination said:
I think that Gale was the most 'innocent' person who died as a direct result of Walt. The boy that was killed was indirectly Walt's fault but Walt never intended that to happen and probably would not have done it or ordered it done. Gale was in the 'game' but he was only a threat to Walt because he was a tool Gus could use against Walt.
The big change in season 5 was that Walt was no longer reacting to people more powerful and vicious than him who meant him harm. He is now firmly in control and thus has many more options and he still chooses the bad ones.
I'm not gonna bother with tags, this thread is already deep enough with spoilers that it may be hard for people avoiding them to enjoy this at all but
*SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!*
One thing that people need to realize that I think still humanizes Walt and gives him some anti-hero qualities along with his new "villain" role is remorse. Anyone he killed who may have not completely deserved it, he showed deep remorse for. Even after shooting Mike, his face showed "SHIT!" and I feel like that was partially because of him realizing that he didn't have to, but mostly from remorse. He cried after Krazy 8 and Jane, and he seemed genuinely concerned when talking to Jesse about Brock when Jesse wasn't sure he was going to make it through. To be fair, he showed no visible remorse in killing the henchmen, or Gus Fring, or the inmates in the prison, but in a way, those were people who "had" to die in Walt's eyes.
As for the ending of the show, I am one of the people who believes that the show COULD have ended at the Season 4 finale. If there was never another episode made, I would have been satisfied with the series ending with "I won." I got chills when I heard that. But I am also happy that it didn't end, because of selfish reasons. I love me some Breaking Bad. I personally am not a huge fan of Hank, even though he has grown as a character to a lot more likeable, I just could not be happy with an ending where he comes out on top, even though it makes sense. Jesse though? I'm all for him making it through everything OK, even if it means Walt's demise, as long as they give Jesse and Walt their proper scene and dialogue before it happens. Will Jesse ever find out about Jane and Brock? I doubt it, but the tension there is great.
Also, I was definitely one of the people to HATE Skyler, in the earlier seasons, I almost think that she was written with that in mind. She seems like a raging *****, bordering on the C word at times, and just a basic buzzkill, good for nothing person. I don't think they would have wrote her to smoke while pregnant or cheat on her loving husband with Mr. Beneke enterprise if they wanted her to be likable, most people would consider those two actions alone as inexcusable, not to mention giving Ted $700,000+ of money that wasn't hers to give. But later into the show, mostly in season 5, Skyler's role changes as sort of the "straight man." She is the "normal" one in a pool of freaks and reacts in a realistic way to things as someone estranged to a husband who is performing EXTREMELY illegal acts. She wants to protect her family too, but mostly from Walt. Even though I get frustrated with her for personal reasons, and a lot of residual hate from her raging ***** days, I acknowledge that she becomes someone caught in a web of garbage and wants to do whatever she can to get out of it.
One more thing. Has anyone considered that the cancer could be what ends up killing Walt? I always thought it would be a sort of cool cycle and somber ending that what started this also ends it. And maybe not him dying in a hospital bed, but maybe him being on his last leg and decides to go out in a blaze of glory. I would love to see him in a hospital gown with that gun that he got in the season 5 finale going all Rambo guns ablazing before he ultimately gets gunned down by Hank, Jesse, the DEA or some cartel guys or something.
*SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!*
One thing that people need to realize that I think still humanizes Walt and gives him some anti-hero qualities along with his new "villain" role is remorse. Anyone he killed who may have not completely deserved it, he showed deep remorse for. Even after shooting Mike, his face showed "SHIT!" and I feel like that was partially because of him realizing that he didn't have to, but mostly from remorse. He cried after Krazy 8 and Jane, and he seemed genuinely concerned when talking to Jesse about Brock when Jesse wasn't sure he was going to make it through. To be fair, he showed no visible remorse in killing the henchmen, or Gus Fring, or the inmates in the prison, but in a way, those were people who "had" to die in Walt's eyes.
As for the ending of the show, I am one of the people who believes that the show COULD have ended at the Season 4 finale. If there was never another episode made, I would have been satisfied with the series ending with "I won." I got chills when I heard that. But I am also happy that it didn't end, because of selfish reasons. I love me some Breaking Bad. I personally am not a huge fan of Hank, even though he has grown as a character to a lot more likeable, I just could not be happy with an ending where he comes out on top, even though it makes sense. Jesse though? I'm all for him making it through everything OK, even if it means Walt's demise, as long as they give Jesse and Walt their proper scene and dialogue before it happens. Will Jesse ever find out about Jane and Brock? I doubt it, but the tension there is great.
Also, I was definitely one of the people to HATE Skyler, in the earlier seasons, I almost think that she was written with that in mind. She seems like a raging *****, bordering on the C word at times, and just a basic buzzkill, good for nothing person. I don't think they would have wrote her to smoke while pregnant or cheat on her loving husband with Mr. Beneke enterprise if they wanted her to be likable, most people would consider those two actions alone as inexcusable, not to mention giving Ted $700,000+ of money that wasn't hers to give. But later into the show, mostly in season 5, Skyler's role changes as sort of the "straight man." She is the "normal" one in a pool of freaks and reacts in a realistic way to things as someone estranged to a husband who is performing EXTREMELY illegal acts. She wants to protect her family too, but mostly from Walt. Even though I get frustrated with her for personal reasons, and a lot of residual hate from her raging ***** days, I acknowledge that she becomes someone caught in a web of garbage and wants to do whatever she can to get out of it.
One more thing. Has anyone considered that the cancer could be what ends up killing Walt? I always thought it would be a sort of cool cycle and somber ending that what started this also ends it. And maybe not him dying in a hospital bed, but maybe him being on his last leg and decides to go out in a blaze of glory. I would love to see him in a hospital gown with that gun that he got in the season 5 finale going all Rambo guns ablazing before he ultimately gets gunned down by Hank, Jesse, the DEA or some cartel guys or something.