Breonna Taylor Grand Jury Billing thread

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Not sure if you're intentionally getting the quote wrong, or genuinely in error. Good thing I don't give a shit about US football, as some people around here might try and take your head.

But, in case you are genuinely misquoting. It's Roll Tide (which is the sort of battle chant you scream during the game, or by way of greeting/farewell to others) and the Crimson Tide, which is the....description of the team I guess? Not sure what you would call that honestly. Like the team Auburn are commonly called the War Eagles (also a war chant/greeting/farewell), and others like the "Fighting Bulldogs", which aren't the name of the actual team, but just a descriptor for them.

Oddly enough, the mascot elephant isn't actually utilized in any of the terms associated with the team....just realized that. Like, nobody calls them the Alabama Elephants or Pachyderms, or anything like that. Just...Crimson Tide.

US football is very strange and disturbing, especially in the south where it's all about college ball. It's a fucking secondary religion for a lot of these jackasses, right behind hating anyone not of their group.
Yeah I guess I was misquoting, don't care much for football and even less so for college ball
 

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Believe me you are not the first person to make that observation.
My wife actually does this with a large proportion of fantasy novels I read. She peers at the cover, and says "that sounds like a heavy period". I think maybe too many fantasy novels have "blood" or allusions to blood in the title.
 

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Turns out last night the DA released like 45sec of police cam footage of the raid, specifically the part where they put the wounded officer into a car. I guess to tug our emotions and make us see that yeah, blue lives, not black lives, matter.

Also kinda weird they released camera footage, seeings how the official line is there is no camera footage. Weird.
 

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I have never been a protestor. This would get me out of my chair... if I lived in America. People would just not understand if I did it hear
Eh, doesn't seem to stop a lot of protests here, people thinking we have to mindlessly copy US politics for some reason.
 

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A few months ago, my friend is out doing some essential shopping and runs into a fairly small BLM protest in London. Said friend has a compromised immune system so he doesn't join in. When he goes to get the underground, police are blocking the entrance. Said friend is also visibly brown. Police say the station is closed and noone is allowed in. However, another officer is off to the side directing a group of white people into the station. My friend points at them and asks why they're allowed in. The officer just repeats himself. Noone is allowed in.

My friend knows something is up, so he decided to hang around. Sure enough, other groups of white people are quietly let into the station. He goes to ask police again what is happening and why they won't let him into the station, they outright tell him that the station is closed and that noone has gone in. They continue to let more white people in while this is happening.

So, what they were doing was getting the white people out of the area before dispersing or containing the protest. They didn't want to let non-white people leave because they wanted to punish the activists for protesting, and they didn't care what happened to anyone who wasn't white who might be caught in the middle. This was during the middle of a pandemic.

The situation in the US may be exceptionally bad, but don't think for one moment this is only a US problem. ACAB.
 
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A few months ago, my friend is out doing some essential shopping and runs into a fairly small BLM protest in London. Said friend has a compromised immune system so he doesn't join in. When he goes to get the underground, police are blocking the entrance. Said friend is also visibly brown. Police say the station is closed and noone is allowed in. However, another officer is off to the side directing a group of white people into the station. My friend points at them and asks why they're allowed in. The officer just repeats himself. Noone is allowed in.

My friend knows something is up, so he decided to hang around. Sure enough, other groups of white people are quietly let into the station. He goes to ask police again what is happening and why they won't let him into the station, they outright tell him that the station is closed and that noone has gone in. They continue to let more white people in while this is happening.

So, what they were doing was getting the white people out of the area before dispersing or containing the protest. They didn't want to let non-white people leave because they wanted to punish the activists for protesting, and they didn't care what happened to anyone who wasn't white who might be caught in the middle. This was during the middle of a pandemic.

The situation in the US may be exceptionally bad, but don't think for one moment this is only a US problem. ACAB.
The cops only do what the people who empower them allow them to do. They are racist because the people who empower them want them to be.
 

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The police is not who is supposed to report on the police, that's the journalist's job. Obviously the police will try to spin it to their benefit if not outright lie like in this case. It is a failure of the journalists who repeated those partial or incorrect statements that they didn't dig deeper and get to the truth.

If there was a witness, why didn't the news find out about him through having interviewed every person in that apartment building.
Actually, it is the agencies who oversee the police who are responsible for reporting on the police. You act like people were even willing to give press interviews, it isn't like they legally have to talk to the press, they can just have the press arrested for trespassing as the apartments are private property.

Police, being a government agency that is expected to enforce and uphold the aw, have a duty to the public not to lie, and if they do lie, they should fire anyone who was responsible for those lies as part of being the "law enforcement" agency is that they are expected to ONLY tell the truth. If they lie, they have no business working in law enforcement in the first place.

Assuming (and at this point this is a huge assumption) that the bit about them being in civilian clothing at the time of the raid being true, I can see why he'd think some random criminals were breaking into his door, since from what I heard he was apparently fearful his GF's drug-dealing-ex (the one the warrant was apparently about) was the one knocking/breaking his door.


Also, on that point, if the guy's first thought of who it might be knocking is the guy the warrant was actually for, all that noise about the warrant being served in the wrong place I think is at the very least suspect, or at least Taylor's actions indicate as much. I don't think it's a stretch to have someone casing the joint and see some random black dude enter the house at night and assume it was the drug dealer and not the new BF.
1)ANYONE breaking into someone's home in the middle of the night is going to make the people inside fearful. They were not expecting company, they were both in bed before the people outside scared them. Her BF got up first and grabbed his gun, she got out of bed after and was coming in there to see what the hell was going on when they killed her. Her BF fired as they were coming in to the apartment, and he understandably felt threatened and unaware it was police and they dismissed the charges against him because he was acting in self defense.
2)THE POLICE ALREADY HAD HER EX BOYFRIEND IN CUSTODY at the time they were coming into Breonna's home, they have no reason to believe he would be there.
3)If the police were "casing the joint" they should have already known who the new BF was. They should have been aware that there were only 2 people in the apartment and who those people were.
4)There were no drugs or cash in Breonna's apartment, Breonna was an EMT and her BF was scheduled to start work at the Post Office, BOTH jobs require drug testing, so it is unlikely they even used drugs at all. The police should have been aware of this.
5) The warrant should have been deemed illegal and it did not meet the requirements for probable cause, nor did it meet the requirements for a No Knock warrant.
6)Breonna had her EX-BF blocked on her phone, so she apparently wasn't interested in talking to him, meaning he wasn't likely to even be hanging around at the time at all.
7) The Postal Inspector does not corroborate the police claims of suspicious package, thus the police LIED about the clothes and shoes that were delivered being reported by the postal inspector as "suspicious" in the first place. The postal inspector already said that didn't happen. That was 100% invented by police.
8) Police lied about Glover telling them Breonna was involved in his drug dealing. Glover has stated repeatedly she has never had any involvement in any of that. Police did however, attempt to bribe Glover with reduced charges to make up a statement to help cover their arses , but he did not actually agree to any of that.
9)Police were unaware of Breonna's EX using her address on his bank account until AFTER Breonna was killed, so that would have no factor in the warrant.

He said they were watching a movie, is it possible the movie was so loud it blocked the sound of the cops knocking/announcing themselves?
They were in bed in the bedroom when they heard banging on the door, it wasn't like they were sitting in the living room. Walker didn't start shooting until they coming in the door, and the charges were dropped against her BF because it was self defense. They used a ram on the door so apparently when they rammed the door he fired, then the cops started firing, but they already were coming in the door when that happened. The cop was firing blindly into the apartment through a window that had blinds and curtains blocking his view where he could not actually see what he was hitting.
 
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This is troubling. The sole witness of shooting who said the police identified themselves when knocking originally told investigators on the record that "nobody identified themselves." Two months later, he was interview by investigators again and changed his story.


And then there's this, which is also troubling, since it shows that the officers involved in the raid were allowed to remain on the crime scene AND talk with witnesses, instead of being separated and paired off with investigators/escorts.

 

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This is troubling. The sole witness of shooting who said the police identified themselves when knocking originally told investigators on the record that "nobody identified themselves." Two months later, he was interview by investigators again and changed his story.


And then there's this, which is also troubling, since it shows that the officers involved in the raid were allowed to remain on the crime scene AND talk with witnesses, instead of being separated and paired off with investigators/escorts.

Yea, I had read that the y had recorded that the witness said they didn't identify themselves two times then finally said they did later, which also make me think about that whole cops trying to pressure Glover into a plea bargain for lesser charges if he agreed to say that Breonna was involved with his drug dealing. He refused to do so. Sounds like during this long delay of inaction, they have ben trying to pressure people to give them a reason for killing her or even being there in the first place when no one was backing up their reports. The post office already told us they lied about the suspicious packages BS and said they already told the cops there was no packages of interest there. None of their evidence is adding up to match their story.
 

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Yea, I had read that the y had recorded that the witness said they didn't identify themselves two times then finally said they did later, which also make me think about that whole cops trying to pressure Glover into a plea bargain for lesser charges if he agreed to say that Breonna was involved with his drug dealing. He refused to do so. Sounds like during this long delay of inaction, they have ben trying to pressure people to give them a reason for killing her or even being there in the first place when no one was backing up their reports. The post office already told us they lied about the suspicious packages BS and said they already told the cops there was no packages of interest there. None of their evidence is adding up to match their story.
I'm not ready to say the police pressured Aarin Sarpee to change his story, even though that could be the case (it IS extremely strange that this shift in story wasn't revealed until now, and Sarpee himself doesn't want to comment publicly).

But I'll say this -- if this case HAD been brought to a grand jury, I have a hard time believing the defense's case, at least in terms of the police's claim they announced themselves before knocking down the door, would have stood up to scrutiny from prosecutors. Generally speaking, eyewitnesses that reverses their story with no explanation aren't seen as very credible, and without any corroborating evidence to support Sarpee's claims, it's possible a jury would have dismissed the claim and sided with the 11 (now 13?) other witnesses in the vicinity, and Walker, who say they didn't hear the narcotics officers identify themselves.

P.S. You raise a good point regarding the postal inspector, which has been overlooked in some coverage. Part of the justification for the warrant and raid on Taylor's residence was information from a postal inspector -- but the postal inspector for that jurisdiction said he never worked with the LMPD.

 

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Oh and there's more today.

"In the hours after Louisville police officers shot and killed Breonna Taylor, then-Chief Steve Conrad testified he was told by two of his commanders that Taylor had fired at officers as they raided her home and she was on the floor in a “prone position holding a rifle."

 

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Oh and there's more today.

"In the hours after Louisville police officers shot and killed Breonna Taylor, then-Chief Steve Conrad testified he was told by two of his commanders that Taylor had fired at officers as they raided her home and she was on the floor in a “prone position holding a rifle."
I'm not only angry about how they handled this whole case, the dishonesty and clear incompetence is staggering and someone lost their life, but I'm also angry about how someone this stupid got a job with any government institution. The cops keep changing stories and screwing up, at least I can find some respect for competent malice but this is just stupid.
 

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I'm not ready to say the police pressured Aarin Sarpee to change his story, even though that could be the case (it IS extremely strange that this shift in story wasn't revealed until now, and Sarpee himself doesn't want to comment publicly).

But I'll say this -- if this case HAD been brought to a grand jury, I have a hard time believing the defense's case, at least in terms of the police's claim they announced themselves before knocking down the door, would have stood up to scrutiny from prosecutors. Generally speaking, eyewitnesses that reverses their story with no explanation aren't seen as very credible, and without any corroborating evidence to support Sarpee's claims, it's possible a jury would have dismissed the claim and sided with the 11 (now 13?) other witnesses in the vicinity, and Walker, who say they didn't hear the narcotics officers identify themselves.

P.S. You raise a good point regarding the postal inspector, which has been overlooked in some coverage. Part of the justification for the warrant and raid on Taylor's residence was information from a postal inspector -- but the postal inspector for that jurisdiction said he never worked with the LMPD..
Ugh this is behaving weird my post is below
 

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What makes me suspect that the police pressured him to change his story is this:

"A man charged with running a drug syndicate was offered a plea deal in July if he would name Breonna Taylor, the 26-year-old Black woman who had been killed by police in her Louisville, Ky., apartment, as a member of his alleged criminal gang, according to the man's attorney.

The deal was one of several offered by prosecutors in the months after Taylor's death. All of which carried a penalty of 10 years and none of which were ultimately accepted."


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If the DA/police were so corrupt to attempt to bribe a man for a plea bargain to LIE about the woman they killed to get a lesser sentence, it makes sense for the other guy to change his story as well because he was documented saying he didn't hear them announce themselves TWICE before finally changing his story later. Sounds like they intimidated him into compliance. Then the ridiculous amount of evidence the police have been lying nonstop about it in the first place, gives me no reason to believe them on anything at this point
 
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