Buckley gets the boot off of Wikipedia
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Christ did buckley blow up a bus full of orphans with the flu? It seems like everyone hates him and CAD just for existing.
That's the cool thing to do nowadays, didn't you know?Hypocratic Oath said:
Wut? That makes no sense. Being a nice guy doesn't earn you a Wikipedia page. Wikipedia is about information. They're trying to be more factual, and they think Tim is untrustworthy. It doesn't have to do with being nice or not.Bright_Raven said:
If you actually believe that I feel sorry for you. I'm not saying wikipedia is the greatest source of information, but come on.Mad Stalin said:
I'm surprised to hear it, but reading the discussion page they make some good points. Comparing it to every other webcomic ever, I fail to see anything that makes it special.
Well, that plus I sorta boycott it after I heard about his ridiculous moderator trolling on his own forum.
Well, that plus I sorta boycott it after I heard about his ridiculous moderator trolling on his own forum.
I've done quite a bit of charity work, does that mean I deserve a Wikipedia page as well?Bright_Raven said:
Don't....really care. It's not notable, apart from starting out mediocre and then turning to rubbish, carefully dressed with shit. Even Cyanide and Happiness does a better abortion set than that fuck head, though, in fairness, Cyanide and Happiness is actually a talented and humorous webcomic, with consistent form of being abrasive and crude. And for fuck's sake does he prattle on about himself.
Seriously man, it's opinion just because you like it doesn't mean that those who do have bad tastes. And saying that you like things that you know are bad makes no sense to me, if you like it it's good to you, what other people think shouldn't matter.tiredinnuendo said:
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As for Buckley or the Comic, although I have read it and will say that at least in my opinion it has it's good points (I like the crazy chef, it makes me laugh) As for whether or not he deserves a wikipedia page, I'm going with no, partially because anything that he does seems to be an instant target for the sort of stupid argument that takes place all too commonly on the internet now, seriously look at the ED post, it saddens me not because it insults him, but because people take the time to do that and the article about Buckley is not the only case where this happens, why take the time to write and write and write about something you hate? I mean, it's a web-comic it has absolutely no effect on anyone other than it's readers. Anyways that rant aside and the Buckley/CAD flame bullshit aside there are a lot of articles on wikipedia that I have noticed since I started using it to settle arguments that don't really need to be there. Just stating my opinion, he doesn't need a page, neither do a lot of people on there, maybe they'll clean those too.
Apologies for the wall of text (man I have to put this at the end of like every post I make)
Is the term "guilty pleasures" also unknown to you?Forever of the Stars said:
People can enjoy things while knowing full well that they're awful. I understand, for instance, that Jersey Shore is a popular television show, and there can't be anyone out there that doesn't understand that it's terrible.
And yes, having a certain opinion can mean that you have bad taste. Sorry, but that's the way it goes. What, exactly, do you think bad taste is if not a preference for something low-brow?
This logic only works if we're going to assume that Wikipedia is going to change their basic qualifiers for a webpage, which, frankly, I doubt they're going to do. This action was probably caused by a mixture of CAD haters constantly editing in unflattering text to the CAD page and Buckley de-editing them and by the additional backlash of Buckley then responding by going on more rampant "revenge" edits, such as editing out the entire article for the PvP webcomic and leaving "PvP Sucks" in its place.Forever of the Stars said:
Edit wars are unfortunate and frowned upon, but the comic itself deserves a page. Love it or hate it, CAD is an icon amongst a certain class of individual. You'd be hard-pressed to find a gamer who didn't have an opinion on it one way or the other. Something that known should at least be acknowledged in one of the world's most popular sources for everything.
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Good point, I'm going to have to agree with you there as what you say makes a hell of a lot of sense, my personal opinion on the matter aside.tiredinnuendo said:
I was hoping this article was about Buckley himself getting banned for trying to sugarcoat his article. This... doesn't make any sense to me. Unless I've really been misled, Ctrl+Alt+Del is one of the "big name" gaming comics, usually mentioned in the same sentence as Penny Arcade and PvP. The fact that it has a reputation for being bad and its creator being a cockhead doesn't change that. Hell, so does Family Guy, but guess what -- there are still a lot of people who might want to look up information about it, hence it has an article.
You seem to be thinking "notable" means "high quality." It does not, and none of Wikipedia's bigwigs have ever held to such a definition. Check out the page on Notability [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability] on the site. Although their definition is clearly a lot narrower than the one they actually use, in practice, note that no variation of the phrase "it has to be good" appears there anywhere.BehattedWanderer said:
I think it's less of a matter of CAD being bad or anything like that, maybe it was removed because either trolls or Buckley himself keep trying to screw with the information that's there? I've been told that Tim isn't fond of criticism in the least, so it wouldn't surprise me much.
Same thing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/BYOND] happened to BYOND, a gaming portal built around some free development software. It has a whole little community of tens of thousands built up around it, and predates the popular Internet in its conception, but it lost its Wikipedia page because it "lacks adequate sources" to support its existence.
I do find it surprising that Ctrl+Alt+Del wasn't able to secure adequate sources. I'm sure it's made a lot of news over the years, given that its creator is known to be quite vocal.
Every time I think of donating to Wikipedia, I think of the policy towards these removing these things, each of which can be easily established to impacted thousands whether or not sources are immediately evident, and think again.
I do find it surprising that Ctrl+Alt+Del wasn't able to secure adequate sources. I'm sure it's made a lot of news over the years, given that its creator is known to be quite vocal.
Every time I think of donating to Wikipedia, I think of the policy towards these removing these things, each of which can be easily established to impacted thousands whether or not sources are immediately evident, and think again.
lol pwned man CAD is old school, i remember reading it in high school 
used to love it but lately just no where near as good as it once was and yeah pwned poor though wonder if he could fix it.
used to love it but lately just no where near as good as it once was and yeah pwned poor though wonder if he could fix it.
I'm quite aware of the meaning of notable, and I meant what I said; there is nothing distinguished about his art style, his characters, his comedy, his arcs, save a tendency for beating dead horses. His one notable group are the players, a group of overly violent sociopaths that lead normal lives as gamers until the point of snap, which just happens much more frequently than one might expect, in a satirized manner, critically portraying both nerd rage and humanity's surprising tendency to want to beat our fellow man over the head when they sneeze too loud, or something. But, since they have no part in his personality projections, they're hardly ever used. Were he to focus on them, making a series of them, intermixed with the actual game comics, then he might actually be notable. As is, he has nothing distinguished, save the name "Winter-een-mas", which, had he not gone on with his ridiculous tirades, might actually mean something. Sure he has his charity, but that's not related to Ctrl+Alt+Del, it's related to him. There are whole lists of well-know webcomics that remain article-less on Wikipedia. That he shifts schizophrenically between wanting comedy, drama, gaming, and story makes him undecided, and so he can't even be put under one of those sub categories of webcomic. What makes the others notable is not their fan base, or their merits, but that they're consistent. XKCD has math, science, and romance jokes, Cyanide and Happiness, ChannelATE, Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal, all have raucous and bar-inappropriate or offensive jokes, while Penny Arcade, PvP, VGCats all have gaming--they don't flick back and forth, or impose any kind of story that isn't necessary, they stick to what they know. Regardless of their fanbase, or how they are received, they are noteworthy for the fact that they are consistent. A few years ago, Ctrl+Alt+Del was still a gaming comic, albeit a flat one with no real expressiveness. Now...it's a wash for an undecided artist who's trying to ride out on the fans he still has left. It's just not notable anymore, and therefore could fit into either a list of links for webcomics, or at most a small blurb that it's an undecided comic based on everything else out there, with the occasional bit about gaming. As you said, it once was a big name comic--but now, having determinately killed off most of his fanbase himself, it's a bucket of mixed paints that a guy would dump into one thing to save space, in some form of attempt to conserve something he once had. That's about all it's got going for it at current. And that's hardly noteworthy.Steve the Pocket said:
No, I don't think you are.BehattedWanderer said:
And I'm saying none of that matters. You could say the same about Cathy, but nobody anywhere would deny it merits its own article. Buckley isn't just some random hack on ComicGenesis with like five readers; everybody in the gaming world is familiar with him and his comic strip, and not just because of how much it sucks. It does have ? or at least, once had ? a pretty big fanbase of people who sincerely liked it. And on that note:BehattedWanderer said:
Wikipedia is not time-sensitive. It's not some kind of "Hot Trends" site. Things don't get removed because they've taken a nosedive in popularity, any more than an article about a TV show that's no longer on the air would. It was a significant part of gaming culture at one point, and that's enough. If Yahtzee ever irrevocably jumps the shark, would you think his article ought to be taken down to because he's "no longer relevant"?BehattedWanderer said:
That could have been fixed by just banning him and reverting his edits, though. So I'm guessing that wasn't what happened here.Eremiel said:
What are you, his PR woman? In your gripes, you mentioned whether or not I think Yahtzee's page would be removed if he were to fade into obscurity, if that's what you meant by your little idiom there. Without any form of significance, other than a pop culture trend, Yahtzee, currently, has no historical merit or notability; He would most likely get brought down to what, a paragraph, after his series stops--maybe two if he gets around to doing more than one book, or becomes a much broader public figure. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, not Trivia Pursuit. Winter-een-mas might deserve a blurb, as might the comic's inclusion in a list of "Gaming-related webcomics". Apart from that one little concession, there is nothing notably distinct that he brings to gaming culture. 'Everybody in the gaming world is familiar with him' gets the comic into a list, at most. A more familiar name, sure, but still just that--a random name in a list. You also mentioned something about Cathy, which I'm going to assume is another reference to something you find distinct, but I'll say the same thing there: It belongs on a list of "office humor related comic strips", having nothing significant or notable on its own.Steve the Pocket said:
Oh, and the difference between a webcomic and a series that aired on television years ago? Production values, groups of people involved, labor unions, technical effects, actors/directors/producers who get credited for their performance, things like that. One man sitting in his living room and making the occasional commentary on popular culture? Not quite the same.