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Neo10101

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So, last night my friend and I went for a walk, (we are both over 18, no curfew trouble). So we stopped near the beach and walked up this pier and sat down on the edge, just sat and talked. After about 45 minutes we see a cop car drive by and turn around and stop and we see him coming toward us. He asks us for ID and says how there has been people in the past doing stuff at night and how you need a beach badge (Im from out of town and so was my friend) Its 2 AM so I just thought he said it in passing goes to his car, puts in our info, eventually another cop car comes, 4 cops, no idea why. Cop comes back and starts spewing some legal bull and gives us tickets for "no beach badge"....at 2AM. Effectively I got a ticket for sitting down. 35$, sitting down, seething with rage. So Escapists, what has happened to you that was completely uncalled for that just shows cops and law enforcement are completely uncap-able of doing their jobs.
 

dahmerszombies

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Seeing how you both were in a foreign town, I don't see how the police were in the wrong. If you don't know all the bylaws/regulations of a given area I don't think it fair to label the law enforcement as "uncap-able". 35$ is nothing for a ticket either. If you want to complain about something make it actually unacceptable, like unwarranted searches or illegal detainment or something other than a bullshit ticket where you may be in the wrong.
 

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dahmerszombies said:
Seeing how you both were in a foreign town, I don't see how the police were in the wrong. If you don't know all the bylaws/regulations of a given area I don't think it fair to label the law enforcement as "uncap-able". 35$ is nothing for a ticket either. If you want to complain about something make it actually unacceptable, like unwarranted searches or illegal detainment or something other than a bullshit ticket where you may be in the wrong.
Are you serious? You expect people to learn every law about a place before going? £10 says you don't.

On topic. That sounds like bull, I would seriously contest it to be honest.

I have only been in kind of trouble once and this is a piss weak example.

It was the middle of the night I was wearing full black (as I always do) but I was also wearing a scarf over my nose and mouth and a beanie (it was in the middle of winter and freezing cold), I also had my ipod on full blast in my ears.

So this cop van pulls up next to me but as I have done nothing wrong (I walked to town for food, it relaxes me) I carry on walking, thinking there just stopping and waiting to be called somewhere.

Next thing I know I feel a hand on my shoulder, I jump about 6 foot into the air and turn around and the cop notices the leads going into my head and then realizes why I (probably) ignored him.

He lets go and walks off and so do I. I assume he was testing me to see if I would run and brand me as guilty.
 

tahrey

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dahmerszombies: In the same position I'd also think they were making shit up and abusing their powers. An important part of policing is discretion. Two guys plainly sitting there, minding their own business causing no-one any trouble, and not making a break for it the minute they see you cruise by? Might it not be more appropriate to just move them on, and keep an eye out whilst further patrolling in case they do actually start some trouble? Innocent until proven guilty and all that?

Rather than clocking their accents as not being local and fabricating some nonsense to extort a bit of cash out of them to pay for tomorrow night's beers?

$35 may not be much to some people, but I'd be pissed off at having that taken off me apropos of nothing. If it's 35$AUS, I could fill up my bike's petrol tank for that. If 35$US, I could have a (cheap-ish) night out instead of sitting at home.

Were there signs up saying about this, so ignorant visitors and tourists would know that the beach was effectively under a curfew (i.e. no unauthorised persons between certain night-time hours - the badge authorises you, and there's probably a complex, vetted, lengthy and expensive process for getting one) and so wouldn't dare wander onto it - or in fact, wander a short way onto a bit of decking suspended above it?

Googling for it I do find some links talking about such things (was this Jersey/Greenwich area by any chance?), but the top few links feature racehorses and name badges for weddings, and I must say in 29 years on this earth so far it's something I've never ever come across before. Wandering around a strange town, maybe on the way back to a hotel after a couple of drinks, I'd have been caught just the same.

((I don't have much truck with supposed guardians of the peace who get drunk off the power it grants them, by the way... I've had it out at traffic lights with coppers who have overtaken me on a 2-lane road, clearly speeding as I was already doing limit+1, but also clearly not on the way to an emergency because they haven't fired up the blues & twos and run the lights ... and played a merry game of "how long are they going to quietly follow me before pulling me over" when I clocked them quietly tailing me as I made my way - legally and smoothly, on empty roads - home from a night shift and decided to keep circling the same block over and over for the lulz... Though I must say, it's bouncers that are the worst; I've known and worked with some diamond-class door staff, but others are little more than scum in a suit that can't get any other job and take out their frustration on the clientele, occasionally picking off a seemingly lone but otherwise harmless punter in the middle of a club, sticking them in a (dangerous, excruciatingly painful, damaging to tendons and technically illegal) half nelson with no warning and depositing them outside the front door without friends, phone, coat or keys, at 11pm in the middle of february. Yeah, that was me... Just because someone's got a uniform and a badge, and can *usually* be relied on to be your buddy and help you out if your own intentions are pure, you should NEVER assume that this is ALWAYS the case. There are enough corrupt police forces/etc in the world.))
 

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My buddy was moving into a new town and he had all his crap (Xbox, PS3, DVDs, etc.) in the back of his car with a blanket thrown over the stuff to keep away curious onlookers. So we're driving down this one street when these lights go up and we get pulled over. The officer makes up some bullshit story about missing a stop sign (there wasn't one, the street we were on is a main thoroughfare)and then as casually as he can asks about what's under the blanket in the back of the car.

Now I knew what they were after the moment we got pulled over. I told my buddy just as he pulled to the side of the road. The fact that the officer came up, gave some BS excuse about a stop sign, and then asked my friend "Aren't there stop signs where you come from?" When he finally got a look under the blanket, he got all pissy, mumbled about something and tried to give my buddy a ticket.

Fortunately, being from a territory, those provincial cops can't actually give us tickets, so it worked out in the end. But I thought the whole process to be very unprofessional. Pull me over if you're curious, fine. But don't give me a BS story and then try to stick me with it.
 

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666Chaos said:
I have been pulled over in my car and arrested three times for possession of various drugs, pot, acid, mushrooms and cocain and having alcohol in the front of the car. Pulled over a ton more times for no reason at all, and one time I was fined $65 for not showing valid insurance. Also shortly after I got my liscence I was pulled over and charged for drinking and driving. It was only my g2 so the limit is 0.0 and I had had a couple beers.
No offense, but if that is the case, you totally deserved to be pulled over.

OT: Never, no. Also, I'm fairly sure that "uncap-able" is not a word.
 

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I was fined for driving with low petrol once. The petrol warning light wasn't on or anything. I got pulled over, the policeman checked my car for cannabis, wanted to see my drivers license, my insurance papers, he did a check on my license plate, and fined me for having low petrol. This was a completely random pull over by the way, absolutely no basis for it. The fine was £70, absolutely bull.
 

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666Chaos said:
I have been pulled over in my car and arrested three times for possession of various drugs, pot, acid, mushrooms and cocain and having alcohol in the front of the car. Pulled over a ton more times for no reason at all, and one time I was fined $65 for not showing valid insurance. Also shortly after I got my liscence I was pulled over and charged for drinking and driving. It was only my g2 so the limit is 0.0 and I had had a couple beers.

Out of all of that the only time I was actually convicted was for the not showing valid insurance and only then because I was going on vacation for a couple weeks and I wasnt going to be in town to fight the charge. Everything else I got let off due to unwarranted searches and profiling. The cops knew my car and liscence plate and so they liked to pull me over for no reason.
I'd say they probably liked to pull you over, after the first time anyway, because they knew there was a pretty good chance of catching you with contraband in the probably-uninsured car, and were getting increasingly sore at you finding stupid technicalities to weedle out of otherwise reasonably serious charges so their judgement of how to properly secure a conviction (e.g. biding their time and waiting for you to make some dumb mistake) may have slipped.

Swings and roundabouts.

By the way, if you're on a restricted / new driver type license, one that stipulates you shouldn't have any alcohol in your system if you're stopped and breathalysed, that means you don't drink anything before going driving, rather than "a couple beers".


Robert Ewing said:
£70 fine for low petrol
Did he also point out your indicator fluid had gone stale as well? And, more importantly, did you pay it? I don't believe there's any such offense as running out of petrol in the UK. On the Autobahn, in Germany, sure - IF you actually DO run completely dry and have to stop...
 

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Fyi, you double-threaded. Here's my response from the duplicate thread:

...Assuming they weren't just talking out of their asses and making shit up, how was that out of line or show that they are incapable of doing their jobs? Keep in mind that ignorance is never a legal excuse. Your situation is unfortunate and unpleasant, but to blame the police would be entirely unfair. They did their job. If there is a problem, it's with the local legislature, not the police.
 

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tahrey said:
Googling for it I do find some links talking about such things (was this Jersey/Greenwich area by any chance?), but the top few links feature racehorses and name badges for weddings, and I must say in 29 years on this earth so far it's something I've never ever come across before. Wandering around a strange town, maybe on the way back to a hotel after a couple of drinks, I'd have been caught just the same.
I also hit the google, and it was pretty hard to find any information, and I was specifically looking for it, although the actual greenwich site appeared to be down at the time I tried.
This reeks of that speeding ticket I got for failing to slow down to 30 simply because there was no sign. I would strongly suggest checking for any signage and fighting that, or if they dont have any of your personal information tossing the ticket out. If they go out of there way to enact non standard bylaws they want people to adhere to the least they should be doing is putting up signs.
 

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I'm pretty sure they should put up signs for that kind of thing. It would be like parking in a no-parking area that wasn't marked as no parking. Does everyone check their local zoning maps weekly to make sure they are parking in legal parking zones? No?
 

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ravensheart18 said:
Neo10101 said:
So, last night my friend and I went for a walk, (we are both over 18, no curfew trouble). So we stopped near the beach and walked up this pier and sat down on the edge, just sat and talked. After about 45 minutes we see a cop car drive by and turn around and stop and we see him coming toward us. He asks us for ID and says how there has been people in the past doing stuff at night and how you need a beach badge (Im from out of town and so was my friend) Its 2 AM so I just thought he said it in passing goes to his car, puts in our info, eventually another cop car comes, 4 cops, no idea why. Cop comes back and starts spewing some legal bull and gives us tickets for "no beach badge"....at 2AM. Effectively I got a ticket for sitting down. 35$, sitting down, seething with rage. So Escapists, what has happened to you that was completely uncalled for that just shows cops and law enforcement are completely uncap-able of doing their jobs.
Actually it sounds like the cop did exactly his job.

You were somewhere you weren't legally allowed to be. He gave you the ticket set out in the law. You were in the wrong, he was in the right.

Now you may not like the law, but the cop didn't make that law, its his job to enforce the law.

From the sound of it, its a law that local folks asked for and was duely passed.
I know technically I was in the wrong, but I was on a pier at 2 am, not actually using a beach, causing a disturbance, anything like that, just sitting down. No idea, no signs, just sitting, could have given us a warning, hell even a written warning, plus even if it is the law, I still got a ticket for sitting down. Maybe its the law that needs to change. Just because it is a law doesn't make it a rightful law.
 

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666Chaos said:
I have been pulled over in my car and arrested three times for possession of various drugs, pot, acid, mushrooms and cocain and having alcohol in the front of the car. Pulled over a ton more times for no reason at all, and one time I was fined $65 for not showing valid insurance. Also shortly after I got my liscence I was pulled over and charged for drinking and driving. It was only my g2 so the limit is 0.0 and I had had a couple beers.
666Chaos said:
Everything else I got let off due to unwarranted searches and profiling. The cops knew my car and liscence plate and so they liked to pull me over for no reason.
666Chaos said:
My point is that cops should not be allowed to pull you over because you were playing rap music or you have long hair and then charge you with something completely unrelated. Its not legal and is an abuse of their power.
So in this case "profiling" being they are targetting you because they know you've broken the law in the past and managed to get away with it because of a loophole in the legal system? They're not targetting you because of your hair or your music, they're targetting you because you seem to make a habit of breaking the law.

I'mma let Jim Carey take it from here

 

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Me and my friends were skateboarding in the drive of a row of garages once, after about 10 minutes the sad old witch on my road comes out with a camera and starts filming us [which I always assumed was illegal without consent, but she's an ex policething so can get away with it I suppose]
Another 10 minutes pass and [honestly] a riot van pulls up. Apparently we have been "exposing ourselves" and banging our skateboards on her wall...
God I hate that cow, we didn't get charged with anything but the whole situation was one massive What The Fuck.
 

tahrey

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BRex21 said:
This reeks of that speeding ticket I got for failing to slow down to 30 simply because there was no sign. I would strongly suggest checking for any signage and fighting that, or if they dont have any of your personal information tossing the ticket out. If they go out of there way to enact non standard bylaws they want people to adhere to the least they should be doing is putting up signs.
Hmm, was that in the UK? Resident, or visiting?

Default speed limit in towns is 30, with a "town" area being generally signified by having street lighting. There should always be a pair of "30" signs at the entrance to a town area anyway, so you can't fully claim ignorance, but if they're missing for whatever reason, it still applies after a certain distance under the lights (possibly why the signs are often a good 1/4 mile out of town or more).
Same way that the default on other roads (for cars) is 60 for undivided and 70 for divided roads. We don't go in much for repeater signs for the standard limits, unlike on the continent or the USA. Simpler, cheaper, less vulnerable to vandalism or negligence.

We will still have them where some higher or lower limit overrides the default one, but if you're lost somewhere and don't know what the limit is, assume 30 if there's streetlights.

It's all there in the highway code, your instructor should have told you of it anyway (and almost certainly there would have been a theory question) and hopefully a simplified version in any "driving in britain" tourist guidebook.

(What gets my back up is 20 zones... they're very very poorly signed, and create an ambiguous situation, particularly as the starts and ends are in fairly random spots a lot of the time, and if the boundary sign disappears, you technically never leave the zone ever again, at least not until you pass a different limit sign. There are no reminders that you're inside it, either. Hmm, there are streetlights here, but is it 20 or 30? WHO KNOWS! I mean, there are speedbumps and chicanes, but unfortunately a lack of joined-up planning means they appear in 30s as well)


It's annoying, but it's something that's at least a bit easier to look up, and in 99.9% of cases is a matter of observation anyway. Not quite the same as "you need a license to go on the beach" (i mean... WTF!)