Bulletstorm is as Smart No More Heroes

[dunnace]

I think it's hard to argue Grayson benefits from the events of Bulletstorm, and even moreso that he is in a better position by the end of the plot. We might see he has redeemed himself (I actually don't, he betrays his friend a few times to try and kill Sarrano and he almost always never listens to them) but he definitely doesn't, as SageRuffin pointed out.

As for the speech I can't seem to find it and I definitely cannot remember it. I did find his sacrifice though, and I think that while he may have forgiven Grayson, the truth is he did die because of him, and Grayson failed to fulfil his promise of saving him.

 

[SageRuffin]

So... hurray for a person starting a discussion, but damn anyone else for pointing out logical fallacies and inaccuracies in their statements for the sake of conversation on an internet gaming forum? You sir are more than welcome to go and enjoy Bulletstorm, but if you have nothing to say don't assume that others are without conversational skills and don't enjoy discourse over the matter.

Excuse me? I didn't assume anything, you are assuming it for me. If anything, I merely stated an observation. I'm certainly not saying you need to enjoy Bulletstorm yourself, that'd be rather foolish of me on several accounts.

Am I wrong? Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, but please don't put words in my mouth, nor try to make implications of my thought process. Thank you.

 

[vrbtny]

Out of all things, I never thought one could look into Bulletstorm and find a deeper meaning.
I was under the assumption that the writers were idiots and that was the explaination for the ludicrous dick jokes and stupid ending. That either means that I'm too stupid to see what it's actually about, or I never took the time to notice the supposedly deep undertones.
I'll have to play Bulletstorm through another time with this in mind.

I see your mind-blown gif and raise you :

OT : I loved Bulletstorm no end. The break from the Brown-Greyness of the modern warfare era. Yet, I wouldn't give it all the credit you give. Loved it.... just not that much.

 

[MaximumCrux]

dunnace, I think you may be the gaming world's equivalent of Armond White.

Take that as you will.

 

[dunnace]

Ishi is a reflection of Grayson's inhuman side though, so Isihi's betrayal is again done to show Grayson what he's becoming.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

See, I think No More Heroes and Bulletstorm have a very similar goal in that respect, if you look at the advertising and build up of NMH there was no indication it was about nihilism and an analysis of video game storylines, it looked like it was about stupid violent fun. Same goes for Bulletstorm, which leads with lines like "dicktits" and ends with a critical look at redemption stories.

I don't know about the advertising and build up of NMHeroes but i knew it would be rather deep when i heard it was made by Suda51... because that's just the kind of game he makes. Let me put it that way: Bulletstorm is a parody, while NMH is a deconstruction. Bulletstorm takes the cliches of a modern shooters like crass violence, silly machismo and cliched plots and plays them for humor. No More Heroes takes the cliches of... pretty much videogames in general, puts them into a different context, deconstructs them and not only makes you laugh at them but actually makes you think about them. And that's, in my opinion, the difference.