Burned Alive During 18th Birthday

[Paradoxrifts]

Why is everything just slightly more psychotic when it involves messages written in lipstick?

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Why is everything just slightly more psychotic when it involves messages written in lipstick?

I'm not sure, but it seems so with me too.

I feel sorry for the family, and the poor kid. As for the twisted person that did it, 3.5 years isn't long enough, not for something as sadistic as that was.

 

[elvor0]

If he set another guy on fire adn got 3,5 years and the minimum for manslaughter is five years...what?

I really can't tell if 3.5 years is long enough, since I've never been to a prison in my whole life, or even met a criminal (or atleast, someone who said they were a criminal).

Prison is about rehabilitation, and if he can rehabilitate in 3.5 years, then it's long enough.

Yeah but , rehabilitation from what? It's a prank gone wrong . An accident if you will . You know teenagers , dumb as bricks . I blame Jackass . Anyways . I think this is fair . It was an accident , but the fact that he fled from the scene , instead of , you know , doing something is punishable by law ( as far as i know ) .

Also , while iv'e never been to prison , 3 years is a long time . People don't seem to realise that .

oh yes, hah hah hah! They bundled into his house, made him strip naked, wrote "Gay Boy" on his head in lipstick, covered him in oil and then ignited him, hi-larious. I'm not quite sure which part of that is supposed to be funny or count as a prank. That's being a massive sick **** involving something that was a hate crime assault.

Okay they might not have wanted to /kill/ him, but that's quite beyond the realms of a prank. Should be getting a proper murder sentence as far as I'm concerned. Manslaughter charges should apply only if you had no malicious intend in the first place, like accidently running someone over. (Even then I feel going to prison is unfair for /that/ you get your sentence in having go live with it.)

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It's up on the BBC site now, here's the link just so you can stick it in the OP, otherwise people are just gonna give you flak for using the sun ><

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-21887535

 

[Squiddles]

You know, you're not helping anyone by posting shock news from THE SUN on a GAMING FORUM.

I understand where your coming from but as a member of the LGBT community I just felt that this story should be out there and being read by, maybe not like minded people, but possibly a more diverse range of different people to see what they also think since I know what I think about this event.

As a gamer if you find or just happen to stumble across something game related that you have a strong personal opinion about, do you just move on or do you share it with a few others to see what they also think of the event? I'm not saying you do or don't do this, but just trying to find something to compare from my perspective.

Yes I know The Sun isn't a well liked source, but I also put a link to The Mirror and if I remember correctly someone has posted something from The BBC on the event.

I'm not trying to help anyone, is there anything that I could do that would be deemed helpful to any of those effected from the event? Aside from bringing a little attention to what happened to this person, and maybe a place in peoples minds wishing him peace?

Sorry if this is outside of what's aloud on the Off Topic Discussion section, but I kept it away from the Gaming Discussion forum such as if I wanted to talk about Religion I would have put it in the Religion and Politics Discussion.

Not trying to start anything, I was just interested in peoples opinions is all. Sorry if I've stepped out of place on this site. =/

 

[Easton Dark]

3.5 years for (allegedly) manslaughter and obstruction of justice when he lied about how it happened?

Had to have had some help in court.

 

[Thaluikhain]

3.5 years for (allegedly) manslaughter and obstruction of justice when he lied about how it happened?

Had to have had some help in court.

One can't help but note that the victim was gay and autistic, and wonder if that had anything to do with it.

 

[Easton Dark]

3.5 years for (allegedly) manslaughter and obstruction of justice when he lied about how it happened?

Had to have had some help in court.

One can't help but note that the victim was gay and autistic, and wonder if that had anything to do with it.

What, you mean he got the lenient sentence because people didn't like the life of the victim?

 

[Pinkamena]

Wow, I can't get over how biased this article is. Is the Sun always like this? And what the hell is this:

 

[King Aragorn]

This just makes me angry. Angry, mad, and all it's synonyms.
This is not a prank. You do not CRASH a birthday party, strip someone, write derogatory terms on THEIR BODY *and by the way, the victim being a minority, subjected to hate*, cover him in seriously dangerous material, hold a torch to his crotch then claim it's an accident.

The system is wrong. Plain wrong. The fact that he ran away further adds to it, what's worse?
21 months only. Not even 3.5 years.

 

[barbzilla]

I think I'd like to see this from a less sketchy source. While either way this is a terrible thing, it's clear the media is wanting to tell a story and at this point they have no evidence to prove their narrative has any truth to is. I'll admit writing taunts on somebody, covering them in oil, and lighting their crotch on fire seems like a terrible thing to do to someone on their birthday, but stranger things have happened and there's no use ruining two lives because we wanted to be the first ones to vilify this kid.

I'm with you on this one. Unless I was there I can't determine the motives, and that makes all the difference in court. In the US you have to be proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. If he didn't intend to kill the kid then it was manslaughter at most. All things given though I think he probably deserved the full 5 years (of which he would probably serve 2 if he behaved) for the hate speech and running. If there was intent then he deserved a murder charge, but with nobody to prove intent there was no way that would ever have gone the distance in court (provided he had a competent lawyer) and he would have gotten off scott free.

 

[Thaluikhain]

What, you mean he got the lenient sentence because people didn't like the life of the victim?

More or less, though they almost certainly wouldn't have consciously decided that. Noticeably small sentences for stuff like this has a habit of happening. The "gay panic" defense isn't quite the same thing, but there seems to be an overlap.

 

[Something Amyss]

Nah because a few years in prison is totally cool for a hate crime and killing.

Depends on what your end goal is.

There's no evidence that long sentences actually serve as deterrent, nor that they provide any greater form of change on the part of the person involved.

So...What is your desired end goal here? What do you hope to accomplish with a longer sentence here?

 

[Something Amyss]

What, you mean he got the lenient sentence because people didn't like the life of the victim?

This is one of the reasons hate crimes tend to exist in the first place.

 

[Squiddles]

Wow, I can't get over how biased this article is. Is the Sun always like this? And what the hell is this:

Yes I know The Sun more often than not words their news in the most "Grab the readers attention and make them make a split choice in their mind on the matter from the title!", but I also linked The Mirror along side it since I couldn't find that much information on this than those two sites and knew just putting The Sun up wouldn't be the best move. Also now The BBC on the event.

The BBC link thanks to the user elvor0 as of right now if your interested.

I think I'd like to see this from a less sketchy source. While either way this is a terrible thing, it's clear the media is wanting to tell a story and at this point they have no evidence to prove their narrative has any truth to is. I'll admit writing taunts on somebody, covering them in oil, and lighting their crotch on fire seems like a terrible thing to do to someone on their birthday, but stranger things have happened and there's no use ruining two lives because we wanted to be the first ones to vilify this kid.

I put a link to The Mirror and now a link to The BBC on the event, since I do know The Sun is never really viewed well by people, but I wanted to put down more than just a link to The Mirror if people wanted to read more on this event. Hopefully these are better sources for you as well.

Feeling a little foolish for even placing a link to The Sun in the first place, but it's where I stumbled across the topic so I thought that it should be used as link along side another one at least, since after all, it is The Sun. =/

 

[Wuvlycuddles]

How does something like that even happen..... seems way outside the bounds of any kind of normal human behavior.

 

[KelDG]

This piece of shit gets three years for setting a kid on fire, killing him, and those two football shitheads only get a year in juvie after gang raping that girl and bragging about it? What the fuck is up with the criminal justice system?

Basically...... no one stole money from rich people or the government, everyone knows money crimes are worse than human suffering......