There is no need to try to complicate the issue with g-forces and all that jazz. The thing is you don't actually have to be a professional fighter to kill someone with a punch. You don't also have to hit that hard to kill someone, since they can sustain the fatal injuries from hitting their head on the ground.Ultratwinkie said:
The difference being that in all three of those incidents they died because of the combined force of the punch and slamming their head into the ground, and judging by the way she fell, that doesn't seem like her head could have. Infact, the whole purpose of the uppercut is to incapacitate someone by dealing shock damage, so the chance of being killed by one is minimal.Uhura said:
The bus driver doesn't have psychic abilities. He didn't know if she'll hit her head on the ground or not when he punched her. My argument isn't just that 'she could have died' but that she also could have sustained other non-lethal but serious injuries. There is nothing idiotic about trying to get people understand that violent acts can lead to very serious consequences and that therefore you shouldn't punch, hit or kick anyone unless it's absolutely necessary.kahyonhowanen said:
you keep dealing with "could have" type scenario's, CLEARLY if you watch the video (hell there are multiple versions) she takes one solid uppercut, he attempts to toss her out, she tries to get back on for more, he grabs her and tries to toss her out but she wasn't budging so he tossed her down instead.Uhura said:
Being yelled at vehemently while driving was danger enough. People get fined for driving while on a cell phone these days for a reason. She was distracting him viciously. I don't know about you but I'd say the average person would have a hard time concentrating on driving while someone takes backseat driving to the level of making threats of assault.Uhura said:
Yes because you know, he totally could have handled it some other way right? We can see from the video that if he told her to get off, she would not listen, so that's out. If he called the police he would have had to stop the bus and depending on their location at the time and the dispatcher who receives the call that could take 10-20 minutes, not counting anytime the police will need to question everyone on the bus. This of course could cause many people to be late to where they were trying to get to, inconveniencing everyone, so that's out. He could keep driving, but I think it's obvious why that's out. Can you think of any more, cause nothing else comes to mind at the moment.Uhura said:
Boohoo. As far as I'm concerned when any adult is pushing or threatening another adult, they should simply expect a beatdown and any possible injury that may occur. The driver is not a psychic? What about the girl? What if instead of uppercutting her he took out a knife and gutted her because he is not a psychic but a psycho waiting to snap?Uhura said:
I'd say that in a situation like that it's best to stop the bus as soon as someone starts to behave aggressively towards you or other passengers. That way you can make sure that you won't crash the bus if the situation escalates. Then it would be best to call the cops and try to calm down the situation verbally. Violence should be the last option and bus drivers shouldn't be expected to physically handle possibly dangerous passengers. That's not their job and it's unfair to put that expectation on them.Boris Goodenough said:
So you would have parked the bus, slowly, calmly and safely, and then just sat there and taken the punches, the spitting, the grabbing and the verbal abuse?Uhura said:
I'm dealing with 'could haves' since no one can predict the consequences of their violent acts with absolute certainty. That's why people are generally advised to try solve possibly threatening situations with non-violent methods. Even people in law enforcement are advised to try to defuse threatening situations verbally if possible. I really am glad that she didn't seem to get seriously hurt, because it would have been pretty awful if the driver had been thrown in jail for something like that. It seems like the girl had been tormenting him for a while and he just lost his temper.TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
exactly, and if you are dealing with "could haves" then you have to conduct ALL the could haves, as she could have caused an accident, she could have caused damage to him for grabbing him by the throat, she could have distracted him enough to hit someone in the road by harassing him for minutes at a time.Uhura said:
Yeah, that's why it would have been a good idea to stop the bus sooner. The situation clearly wasn't safe anymore.AzrealMaximillion said:
I disagree with your assessment that stopping the bus and waiting for the police to arrive would have been out of the question. The safety of the driver, the passengers and other people driving in that neighborhood is the priority. Being late half an hour is a small price to pay for that safety.kahyonhowanen said:
