Buy used? Can't complain.
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Wait, you rented a DVD and then used it to hold a showing where you charged?Phishfood said:
Is that legal? It could very easily not be unless there's something else you're not telling us.
Read what you just said. Really read it. A producer refusing to listen to feedback on their product would be the stupidest move imaginable.xvbones said:
The only thing I really want to comment on is that lost revenue is intangible. Unless you can prove to me that there is a 100% chance that 100% of the consumers who couldn't buy the game cheaper, as used, would buy the game brand new at full price, you can't really assert the amount of damage the apparent lack of royalties is dealing.
If you want to talk potential, how about the person who bought a game used likes the game, and buys the sequel, brand new, for full price? Wouldn't that be better than them not buying the game at all? The developers get more royalties that way.
Also, who are you to say that someone needs to buy the games for full price for developers to listen to them? Are you a developer? Have you talked to these developers? For all you or I know, the developers are just glad that people are just playing the game.
I guess I am not exempt from criticism, because I buy all my games from digital distribution now... Oh well, it means the developers will listen to me complaining.
If you want to talk potential, how about the person who bought a game used likes the game, and buys the sequel, brand new, for full price? Wouldn't that be better than them not buying the game at all? The developers get more royalties that way.
Also, who are you to say that someone needs to buy the games for full price for developers to listen to them? Are you a developer? Have you talked to these developers? For all you or I know, the developers are just glad that people are just playing the game.
I guess I am not exempt from criticism, because I buy all my games from digital distribution now... Oh well, it means the developers will listen to me complaining.
Sorry OP you're wrong 6 different ways. The devs created a product and once they sell that product to a consumer they do not have the rights to that 1 copy anymore, and if said customer wants to sell it they are free to do so. They are transferring their ownership from one person to another they are doing nothing wrong.
If said developer wanted to make more profit maybe they should consider lowering their prices when their games aren't worth 60 dollars. Devs and publishers RARELY do not turn a profit so any complaints they make amount to "We didn't make tons of profit because people were selling our games (because people didn't like said game or the replay value ran out) and other people were buying those".
There's used DVD, book, CDs, cars and games, and it's all legal and okay because no one is cheating here.
If said developer wanted to make more profit maybe they should consider lowering their prices when their games aren't worth 60 dollars. Devs and publishers RARELY do not turn a profit so any complaints they make amount to "We didn't make tons of profit because people were selling our games (because people didn't like said game or the replay value ran out) and other people were buying those".
There's used DVD, book, CDs, cars and games, and it's all legal and okay because no one is cheating here.
So your rationale as to why Blockbuster and libraries don't count, but Gamestop does, is that you (a person who doesn't own a blockbuster or a library I'm presuming), rented a DVD to put on a paid showing of, and it cost more than buying the DVD. Well played sir, well played.Phishfood said:
Wait a second...I buy nothing but new games and no developers have EVER listened to any of my complaints. This logic is flawed!
I disagree. Developers should listen to all complaints about a game if it can help improve the next installment, regardless of if the person bought the game new. Now complaining about online pass or not having? Maybe. People should know by now what companies do that. But I also hate online pass with a passion, so I just wish they would go fuck off. In case it matters about my opinion, I buy pretty much everything new.
The notion that the weight of an individuals opinion is tied to how much money they gave the publisher (With people who bought new giving a portion, and second hand sales giving none) is absurd. Going on the fact that the price of a game depreciates, you're suggesting that someone who bought a game on the release day for £40 and ended up playing 20 minutes of it before getting bored and never touching it again somehow has more of a right to complain than another person who purchased it on sale for £20 several months later and sunk months into it.
Bullshit. That's why I don't buy games I'm not sure of for full price, I don't want to pay 60 bucks for a shit game. I have to pay 60-70 bucks for a shit game before I can say it sucks to the developer? Hell no. If they listen to my complaints I may just buy their next game whereas if they ignore me then they won't get a penny. In businesses you listen to potential new clients as much as old ones if they offer the same reward.
So if I bought a used car, buying the car used wouldn't help the company, and the airbags didn't deploy I wouldn't be able to complain about that? Or if the seatbelt was broken, or the steering wheel? And if the original owner didn't cause these problems, I shouldn't be allowed to ***** to Ford or Toyota?
No. That is the dumbest statement I've heard. Saying "Well, if you buy used you can't ***** about the game herp-derp" No. I have every right to complain about a sub-par product even if I bought used or not. I still bought it.
EDIT: Just found a video that explains how OP makes me feel.
http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0
No. That is the dumbest statement I've heard. Saying "Well, if you buy used you can't ***** about the game herp-derp" No. I have every right to complain about a sub-par product even if I bought used or not. I still bought it.
EDIT: Just found a video that explains how OP makes me feel.
http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0
1. I'm with TC on this one.
2. I'm sick to death of people comparing the used game market to the used car market. They're not the same. Not even remotely. So knock it off.
2. I'm sick to death of people comparing the used game market to the used car market. They're not the same. Not even remotely. So knock it off.
How are they not the same? They're identical in every way!everythingbeeps said:
1) Person buys car new, paying full price to BMW, Toyota, whatever.
2) Someone else buys that car off them, or from a dealership. Cash exchange takes place whereby the previous owner gets a portion of their original buying price.
3) The new owner drives the car, before either selling it off again or exchanging it in a dealer for credit against a new car.
At the end of this sequence, the manufacturer has got 100% of the money from that car.
1) Person buys game new, paying full price to Game, Gamestation or Gamestop.
2) Someone else buys that game off them, or from Gamestop's used section. Cash exchange takes place whereby the previous owner gets a portion of their original buying price.
3) The new owner plays the game, before either selling it off again or exchanging it at Gamestop for credit against a new game.
Similarly, at the end of this sequence, the publisher has got 100% of the money from that game.
Spot the difference (hint, there are none)
Before I start, I just want to say I buy games new whenever I can and only buy used if I can't find the game anywhere. Any good developer would listen to peoples opinions about their games, whether they bought pre-owned or not. Also, if we're meant to feel really bad about buying used, how are we meant to feel about buying out-of-print/previous generation games?
First off, how do the developers know whether or not i bought a copy new or second hand? If they see it like that, the way you put it, then how do they know? In fact how could they know who bought it new or not... so they might as well just ignore all of us, right?xvbones said:
Secondly, they DO need to hear my complaint, because if they fix the criticism, that gives me an incentive to buy their game new. Just like making a game that is GOOD gives incentive to buy the next game new.
For instance:
I bought a used copy of Battlefield: Bad Company 2.
I enjoyed the product so much, that I decided to buy Battlefield 3 new
I rented saints row two.
I enjoyed it, so I bought Saints Row the Third new.
"because you didn't buy it new" doesn't make a game less crappy. If you make a product WORTH the brand new price, you will GET the full price.
Am I suppose to spend full price on a game I've never tried, from a developer I've never heard of, just so I can say whether I thought it was good or bad? Is buying a game just a gamble on quality now? Either its worth the price tag, or it wasn't either way you need to pay full price to be able to form that opinion?
So basically your saying either support a company by immediately voting for and approving every single game you play, quality or not, or you are not supporting it at all, and therefore, can fuck off?
Also, if all that the developers care about is money, and not quality, it will probably be a bad game anyways, and they don't care about making good games, just money, and I won't buy from them anyways.
Quality then Money. Not the other way around.
If you prove to me that you're worth my money, you will receive it, therefore my criticisms are just as valid as, whether I bought new or used.
I understand why companies have problem with used games, but I don't see why people don't buy a new copy when it's...you know, new. I only buy a used game when I can't find a new copy of it so if the game is out of print then it isn't that much of a loss to the developer.
Game devs should listen to all criticisms because that's how they make better games. Did you play alone in the dark? It fucking sucked monkey tits, right? How are they supposed to make a better game in the future if they don't take on all comments, no matter who made the comments?
And yeah, some of us poorer folk have to buy used every so often because buying a game that sucked as bad as alone in the dark at full price is almost fucking criminal. So what do we get if we bought it new? The right to complain a little and get nothing in return?
Of course, we could buy a used game that we're not sure about,find out it's very good and then decide to buy new games in that franchise or from that dev. Right? Kind of makes sense when you think about it. I Bought Ratchet and Clank, Morrowind and several other games used and later bought the follow up titles brand new because it turns out,I really fucking like them. But I have bought a lot of shit games, too, both used and new. It's less of a waste to buy used and, at the same time, I can comment on htem and maybe, just maybe, the devs will take these comments on board and fix what's broke.
And yeah, some of us poorer folk have to buy used every so often because buying a game that sucked as bad as alone in the dark at full price is almost fucking criminal. So what do we get if we bought it new? The right to complain a little and get nothing in return?
Of course, we could buy a used game that we're not sure about,find out it's very good and then decide to buy new games in that franchise or from that dev. Right? Kind of makes sense when you think about it. I Bought Ratchet and Clank, Morrowind and several other games used and later bought the follow up titles brand new because it turns out,I really fucking like them. But I have bought a lot of shit games, too, both used and new. It's less of a waste to buy used and, at the same time, I can comment on htem and maybe, just maybe, the devs will take these comments on board and fix what's broke.