Buying my first handgun, looking for suggestions and input

[Smagmuck_]

Buy the CZ dammit!

Buy it! And then bask in the glorious czechnology! DO IT!

 

[MrFalconfly]

Well normally I'm against civilians being in possession of a firearm which isn't strictly for hunting (pistols aren't hunting implements as far as I'm concerned).

But since you've already decided I'll see if I can give some constructive feedback.

I don't carry a firearm myself but I do know that the Sig P210 although quite expensive is really good (it is the service pistol of the Danish army and it has a reputation of being almost as accurate as a competition pistol). Else I'd go with something compact that is chambered for 9x19mm (like say a Glock 26 which is basically made for concealed carry personal defense).

Anyway I don't own a gun so you might wanna take my word with a grain of salt.

Pistols are for pussys. You need to get yourself a mans gun like a bazooka

Really?

Why not go with something that'll actually take out modern armour?

Carl Gustav 84mm Recoilless rifle.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Well normally I'm against civilians being in possession of a firearm which isn't strictly for hunting (pistols aren't hunting implements as far as I'm concerned).

But since you've already decided I'll see if I can give some constructive feedback.

I don't carry a firearm myself but I do know that the Sig P210 although quite expensive is really good (it is the service pistol of the Danish army and it has a reputation of being almost as accurate as a competition pistol). Else I'd go with something compact that is chambered for 9x19mm (like say a Glock 26 which is basically made for concealed carry personal defense).

Anyway I don't own a gun so you might wanna take my word with a grain of salt.

I'm not buying with carrying in mind though. I don't plan on concealing this gun, it's strictly a range firearm. With that in mind, getting a compact is completely pointless since the shorter barrel length would decrease it's accuracy. As far as the sig goes, I don't like Sigs, I absolutely hate their triggers.

 

[dyre]

If you're strictly going to be on the range, I'd recommend a Ruger MK III. It's a .22 target pistol that's a joy to shoot. Minimal recoil, not much noise, and you don't even have to clean it that much. It feels pretty nice in your hand too, not like some pistols I've fired that seem a bit too wide.

I hear the CZ 75B is the best choice for a 9mm handgun, but I can't really confirm that as I've met my monthly quota for buying pistols in NJ (that is, 1 pistol).

 

[Ampersand]

~~OR~~

~~OR EVEN~~

Because they are all the guns a person needs at home...

If you want to go to a range, they have guns... and if you want to go hunting, or game shooting, why the fuck are you buying a pistol?

Pretty much what I was thinking. ^
I'm still quite sure that gun ownership is for those who wish to compensate for some perceived deficiency......often in their reproductive organ. = /

 

[Olas]

Star Trek heavy assault phaser

Don't let it's size fool ya, it melts boulders.

 

[Dr Jones]

Then get that then

You're not very good at this advice thing are you?

He's trying to help you to the best of his abilities, with the knowledge he has. No need to be a dick about it.

 

[Dense_Electric]

Pretty much what I was thinking. ^
I'm still quite sure that gun ownership is for those who wish to compensate for some perceived deficiency......often in their reproductive organ. = /

Not nearly as much as I think posting deliberately pretentious comments on an internet message board is for those who wish to compensate for some perceived intellectual deficiency.

You see how stupid it sounds when I make obviously unfounded comments? Yeah.

 

[Finebrew]

Sorry man cant really help you, I am a 1911 fan all the way.

 

[manaman]

If the cops over here dont need them I dont see why I would need one.

Being someone who has had firearms pointed at me on multiple occasions

That's your reason, imo. Despite you or the police not wanting to carry a firearm, other people will (legally or not) and they might be willing to turn that firearm on you. I like to think of firearms as 'equalizers'...

When I say I have had guns pointed at me, I mean at border crossings. Once my family was mistakenly thought to be smuggling alcohol across the Oman - UAE border and we had a few m16's pointed at us whilst they went through the car. It took a long time.

Plus, well, I have had friends who have had firearms pointed at them for different reasons. To avoid the story, a very dear friend of mine was once woken up with a shotgun in his face and then questioned about the whearabouts of his brother. All of the firearms used in the impromptu raid were illegal, had my friend been armed nothing would have changed. Well, bar his swift execution.

Guns do not equalize situations, they just raise the stakes to levels which terrify most people. I mean, sure, America has a lower rate of bar brawls and violent crimes associated with alcohol than the UK. But it leads the world in murders using firearms, with an average rate of 11,000

Guns make killing people too easy. Sure, there are situations when owning a gun would be helpful. But most of those situations are because other people have guns.

*is not going to get into the legalize criminalize debate with regards to firearms*

You can't just throw figures up supporting your view point then say you are not going to discuss anything. That is like a five year old plugging his ears and yelling "lalala I can't hear you."

So here goes:

Actually there where around 16,000 deaths by firearms in the US last year. Most (most being over half) of those deaths where suicides. The US may actually lead the world in deaths by firearms as a sheer number, but that is actually meaningless to the dicussion at hand. Since you brought it up, the average homicide rate in the US in the same as the average homicide rate of Europe, and just like Europe has decent and bad areas so to does the US. You are as likely to get killed in the US as you are in Europe. However one thing you are not as likely to encounter: Violent crime, the violent crime rate in the US is pretty much only beat by few small countries (smaller than cities here in the US) and Australia. Yes less than Canada, a lot less than Canada actually.

But even that isn't the complete story because you have to quantify what crimes are considered violent crimes.

See information matters, you can't just throw out a number that is a subset of another number, that itself doesn't even tell the whole story of "crime."

The US is actually the fourth in total number of deaths by automobile. Does that mean it is unsafe to drive a car in the US? It is actually, legally owning a handgun is safer, but that is another story. However the rate of deaths per capita is low, and road fatalities per verhicle is very low.

In the US, unless you happen to live in the few inner city areas that account for the vast majority of violent crime, you are very unlikely to even be exposed to it. Homicide is more of a socioeconomic issue in the US, not about what they can own. Most of the firearms used in these areas are illegally obtained, and buy back programs are extreamly effective tools in removing these firearms. When they are actually utilized. See the more conservative the area surrounding the inner city areas are the less likely they are to institute buy back programs. Something abut criminals being given money for their illegal guns, rathen than them being arrested doesn't sit right. Buncha goof balls, a little amnisty can go a long way towards preventing future crimes and increasing the standard of living all around.

And I am way off topic now. Have a good night people.

 

[manaman]

Pretty much what I was thinking. ^
I'm still quite sure that gun ownership is for those who wish to compensate for some perceived deficiency......often in their reproductive organ. = /

Not nearly as much as I think posting deliberately pretentious comments on an internet message board is for those who wish to compensate for some perceived intellectual deficiency.

You see how stupid it sounds when I make obviously unfounded comments? Yeah.

No no, he must be totally right. I mean I guess I just didn't know I have a tiny dick, but it has to be the true reason I own several firearms. Not because most of them belonged to my father before he passed away. Not because learning how to shoot, fish, and bird hunt were a of the few times I can actually remember having with my father as a youth before our mother moved us to Texas so we wouldn't see him again. It couldn't be that I continue to safely enjoy target shooting, to the point that I buit a range on my property.

I guess this tiny dick is the reason I have a conceled carry permit. Definatly wasn't because I work in extreamly remote areas, and while I don't ever expect it I damn well want a firearm on hand in case of an animal attack. So yes it stays in the truck, and is always on hand.

Must all be due to my tiny dick. Nope sorry, my "percived" tiny dick.

Edit: Fixed that, sorry about all the mix up peoples.

 

[Starik20X6]

This one:

Proven very effective at taking down armoured, bat-shaped jets.

Spoiler: Captcha

Not even kidding​

 

[itsausernamewhatofit]

I've shot quite a few guns, and I've basically figured out what I like. Since it's going to be a range and not a concealed carry I want a full size 9mm, preferably all steal. With these criteria in mind I have three guns that I've been thinking about, the CZ75BD (this is my budget option at the moment), the CZ75 SP-01, and the Beretta m92fs

I'd go with a CZ. I've got a CZ 85 Combat and I love it, the feel of it, the trigger pull, the sights, everything is dead on. I'm a really huge fan of CZ's guns. I have shot an m92fs and I wasn't impressed. I hate the feel of the trigger pull on it and the whole thing just feels unnecessarily large. Between the BD and the SP-01 I'd go for the latter but that decision is more based on aesthetics, they're both fine guns.

 

[itsausernamewhatofit]

If you're strictly going to be on the range, I'd recommend a Ruger MK III. It's a .22 target pistol that's a joy to shoot. Minimal recoil, not much noise, and you don't even have to clean it that much. It feels pretty nice in your hand too, not like some pistols I've fired that seem a bit too wide.

Really? I've never understood the appeal of the Ruger MKIII. The slide release and safety have always felt incredibly uncomfortable to use for me and it's a nightmare to disassemble compared to other pistols. As a target pistol it's functional and shoots nicely but I've shot other pistols that I much prefer for the same price or less. As far as .22 caliber pistols go I like the Beretta U22 Neos much more even if it does look like an alien raygun.

 

[itsausernamewhatofit]

According to one of my favorite authors - who also happens to love guns and do lots of research into guns - you cannot go wrong with a CZ75. It is one of the best hand-gun designs in the world. The original CZ75 is the most accurate hand gun ever made. It is also a super expensive, super rare collector's item.

Kenichi Sonoda does do some great work. I think we've had this conversation before though, you and I.

 

[dyre]

If you're strictly going to be on the range, I'd recommend a Ruger MK III. It's a .22 target pistol that's a joy to shoot. Minimal recoil, not much noise, and you don't even have to clean it that much. It feels pretty nice in your hand too, not like some pistols I've fired that seem a bit too wide.

Really? I've never understood the appeal of the Ruger MKIII. The slide release and safety have always felt incredibly uncomfortable to use for me and it's a nightmare to disassemble compared to other pistols. As a target pistol it's functional and shoots nicely but I've shot other pistols that I much prefer for the same price or less. As far as .22 caliber pistols go I like the Beretta U22 Neos much more even if it does look like an alien raygun.

Well yeah, I like the Luger-ish look of the Ruger a lot. It's just very attractive to hold in your hand.

Hmm, I see how the slide release is pretty abnormal, but the Ruger was the first gun I fired, so I guess I just got used to it first. I wouldn't say it's uncomfortable, just different. Dunno what you have against the safety

In terms of disassembly, I'm not a fan of the lever thing on the back of the grip, but otherwise it's fine for me. I've fired some other .22s, but they were my friends' and I didn't disassemble them, so maybe I just haven't tried enough other guns.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

According to one of my favorite authors - who also happens to love guns and do lots of research into guns - you cannot go wrong with a CZ75. It is one of the best hand-gun designs in the world. The original CZ75 is the most accurate hand gun ever made. It is also a super expensive, super rare collector's item.

Kenichi Sonoda does do some great work. I think we've had this conversation before though, you and I.

**grin** Indeed.

And yes, Mr. Sonada has done extensive research for his very excellent gun-focused stories. Well, gun and car focused. I also know way more about Shelby Cobras than anyone other than a muscle car collector or restorer really has any need to know.

 

[Ampersand]

Sorry man cant really help you, I am a 1911 fan all the way.

Pretty much what I was thinking. ^
I'm still quite sure that gun ownership is for those who wish to compensate for some perceived deficiency......often in their reproductive organ. = /

Not nearly as much as I think posting deliberately pretentious comments on an internet message board is for those who wish to compensate for some perceived intellectual deficiency.

You see how stupid it sounds when I make obviously unfounded comments? Yeah.

In many cases you'd be right. = ) Just like in many cases I'd be too.