California Gay Marriage Ban Lifted

[zehydra]

Now, tax breaks might qualify as necessary for some other power vested in Congress, but I will leave that to you to find out.

Wait, you're flatly telling me you're wrong but you're going to dick around and say "see if you can find why"? Better question, why should I? You just said you're wrong, I don't need to argue anymore. It would be childish and I have better things to do with my time.

I didn't say I was wrong. And I didn't say "see if you can find why". I said that tax breaks do not qualify as "necessary and proper" to the execution of Amendment 16. You claimed that the constitution allows government to do as it see's fit in matters of taxation when it does not; it only allows congress to do what it deems to be NECESSARY.

 

[Macgyvercas]

just like we would remove genes that caused austism.

As someone who has Autism (Asperger's Syndrome, to be precise), I take offense at that. People with Autism are not as disfunctional as 99% of sterotypes make us out to be. We can do the exact same things neurotypicals can do, and we can do them just as well. There is nothing wrong with Autism, and it isn't something that really needs to be "fixed".

 

[The Lost Big Boss]

51.5% voted against it, 48.5% voted for it? why did people vote if it didnt matter?

Because we live in a Republic and not a Democracy. If we were in a Democracy than it would be majority rule all, all the time, aka tyranny of the many, but thats not the case in America.

The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.

This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.

mate they are going to slaughter you, but i think its a fair opinion...

Right, ill cast the first stone...

Who are you to decide who should and shouldn't love each other? who is anyone to decide for another person who they can and can't be with. It's fuck heads like you that bring the world down, it's fuck heads like you that feel you have the authority to tell my family members how to live their life. You sir can fuck right off.

No son, you can fuck off.

Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it.

As a species we should be trying to constantly improve our selves, removing genetic mutations and developing natural immunity to disease.

So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race.

Hey you sound really familiar. Wait... removing genetic mutations... advancement of human race. Oh! You're Hitler! (Godwin's law ironical)
Sorry but your idea is to "cure" every one who isn't perfect sounds like the final solution.

Let me tell you something, homosexuals are not a threat. They don't kill anyone, they are not contagious, they are not going to sneak in your house and rape you.

"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.

"So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race"
So you think civil rights are crippling the advancement of the human race?

Please for the love of God open your fucking eyes and stop trying to be so damn "smart" and "advanced".

Where to begin ?


Let me tell you something, homosexuals are not a threat. They don't kill anyone, they are not contagious, they are not going to sneak in your house and rape you.
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No where did i say we should kill homosexuals rather i said we should be trying to cure it.


"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.
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Emotions are primitive animal urges that are no longer necessary in mordern society.

"So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race"
So you think civil rights are crippling the advancement of the human race?
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Not so much the civil rights but the view of accepting a disorder as acceptable instead of trying to cure it.

I am going to focus on this.

LB-"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
TLBB-People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.
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LB-Emotions are primitive animal urges that are no longer necessary in mordern society.

Are you crazy? Really, I have a strong impulse that you are just trolling around (You just started posing on this topic) but this is extremely alarming.
No emotions. Well then with no emotion we wouldn't have art. With no emotions we wouldn't have love, sure we would mate to reproduce, but it wouldn't be love. With no emotion we would have nothing that gives us joy, nothing that gives us pleasure in life. Removing emotion would be a devolving step for the human race. Every single culture would be wiped off the face of the planet and replaced with a grey utopia of nothing.
You must have had one fucked up childhood to be thinking like this, you must be one fucked up person to think that the human race should kill off the genetic inferior. You must be one arrogant person to think that people with abnormalities are less than you, but in reality you are the weakling.
You are weak, you want to feel special and you act like a fucking God over the internet, when in reality you are probably a scroungy little shit that can do fuck all. You are a pathetic example of a person.

 

[Lineoutt]

Finally!! Holy fuck did it suck when that thing was passed. So glad its over.

 

[lordbuxton]

It would be cheaper.

Besides, you missed my point, so i will re post it

genetic disorders should not be accepted but rather cured.

That is what i propose to do, no test tube babies, none of that.

Just simple gene therpy.

You realy did take me off topic.

You keep saying I missed your point but you've totally missed mine, so I will reiterate.

Why even cure a disorder? It is illogical in an emotionless world, wherein the best course of action would be to simply eliminate the specimen. The only reason to cure is a desire not to kill, which is irrational according to you. Especially seeing as in such a world, people who would not have reproduced would be better able, increasing the population exponentially.

Also, I did not take you off topic. You brought it up when you proclaimed, in your infinite wisdom, that emotions are irrational and unnecessary. Such a proclamation naturally leads to the topic of child-rearing, which would, according to your logic, be best undertaken free of any love or support, possibly in a tube then by a series of machines for education and maintenance.

But seriously, dude, you're fairly messed up. What happened to you to make you this way? Did your parents not love you? Did the kids pick on you at school? Did they tease you? Well, you'll just have to wait to exact revenge upon their inferior minds until the lair is complete and your white cat is back from the grooming place.

Also, I've decided that I'm above even arguing with you (and its 3am here) as frankly I have better things to do than "debate" with an emotionally crippled narcissist.

Of course, you'll think you've won. You're welcome to because I know better...

This is made me smile.

It would be cheaper to kill them, if i had my way that's what i would do.

Your going to leave ?

Suppose this means i win.

 

[Oilerfan92]

just like we would remove genes that caused austism.

As someone who has Autism (Asperger's Syndrome, to be precise), I take offense at that. People with Autism are not as disfunctional as 99% of sterotypes make us out to be. We can do the exact same things neurotypicals can do, and we can do them just as well. There is nothing wrong with Autism, and it isn't something that really needs to be "fixed".

Oh shit it's on.

Seriously, I also know someone with Aspergers, and while I know he probably would be happy without it. He'd be offended that your making it sound like he's an unfunctioning person who is a burden on society who needs to be "cured".

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

Once again, one judge overrules the will of the people. What a great world this is.

I bet you were just as upset when those damn judges said slavery and segregation and anti-miscegenation laws were wrong.
Damn activist judges and their refusal to stomp on the rights of the minority because the majority feels like it.

Well, as long as you and that judge think your way is better, go ahead and ignore the majority of the state, they're stupid anyways. It's just such a relief to know that one judge's opinion is instantly worth more than most of the state.

Yeah. I probably also have crazy ideas like blacks not being property or racial segregation is a bad idea even if the majority would vote for it.
I'm soooooooo sorry.

The issue is not what's important, what matters is that a single judge can overrule the majority with one swing of the gavel.
If those stupid, misguided, close-minded, bigoted idiots want themselves a gay-marriage ban, then they should have it without worrying that ONE judge with contrary opinion is their equal in terms of the law.

Oh so you're a believer in direct democracy who would support executing people who happened to be born with green eyes if the people supported the measure.
We're just gonna have to disagree.
America is a democratic-republic, not a direct democracy.

I'm not a believer in direct democracy, and I am well aware America is a republic. But I find it very strange if you believe it is right to have the will of the people overridden by one person.
And if the majority believed people with green eyes shouldn't be executed, while the minority did? Well, get ready for some executions, because apparently minority now rules.

No.
This isn't the minority ruling it's the minority's rights being protected.
I find it very strange you believe in the tyranny of the majority.

 

[Lineoutt]

They can call it whatever they want, but marriage is a union between a man and a woman, and will always be.

Look in the dictionary
"marriage |ˈmarij|
noun
1 the formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
? a similar long-term relationship between partners of the same sex."

Its right and ethical and fair for anyone of age to marry whomever they love. To hell with anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

[ChazzBurger]

It would be cheaper.

Besides, you missed my point, so i will re post it

genetic disorders should not be accepted but rather cured.

That is what i propose to do, no test tube babies, none of that.

Just simple gene therpy.

You realy did take me off topic.

You keep saying I missed your point but you've totally missed mine, so I will reiterate.

Why even cure a disorder? It is illogical in an emotionless world, wherein the best course of action would be to simply eliminate the specimen. The only reason to cure is a desire not to kill, which is irrational according to you. Especially seeing as in such a world, people who would not have reproduced would be better able, increasing the population exponentially.

Also, I did not take you off topic. You brought it up when you proclaimed, in your infinite wisdom, that emotions are irrational and unnecessary. Such a proclamation naturally leads to the topic of child-rearing, which would, according to your logic, be best undertaken free of any love or support, possibly in a tube then by a series of machines for education and maintenance.

But seriously, dude, you're fairly messed up. What happened to you to make you this way? Did your parents not love you? Did the kids pick on you at school? Did they tease you? Well, you'll just have to wait to exact revenge upon their inferior minds until the lair is complete and your white cat is back from the grooming place.

Also, I've decided that I'm above even arguing with you (and its 3am here) as frankly I have better things to do than "debate" with an emotionally crippled narcissist.

Of course, you'll think you've won. You're welcome to because I know better...

This is made me smile.

It would be cheaper to kill them, if i had my way that's what i would do.

Your going to leave ?

Suppose this means i win.

Can I ask, and please actually reply to my comment this time

What is the genetic "norm"?

When and where does disability start and end?

 

[Eiseth]

Funny how you created your account today, and just about every post you've posted is in this thread... Funny, really funny, isn't it lordbuxton? ;3

 

[PhiMed]

I'm American, and while I generally dislike the Federal government telling the states what to do, I support this, as it was a breach of the constitution. Now, what's more important, is that people need to realize that any definition or tax breaks for marriage, by any government under the U.S. flag, is unconstitutional.

Ahh its a dark day for democracy.
Even worse since this already happened and Prop 8 had to come along to fix it.

yeah, that whole defence of the constitution thing, real bad news for democracy.

-m

I thought the law was a bad idea, but I have one question to ask. You both say it's a breach of the Constitution: which part? I don't think the Constitution or any of its ammendments have anything to say about marriage whatsoever. In fact, to the contrary, the Tenth Ammendment pretty specifically states that any power not specifically granted to the federal government defaults to the states or to individuals.

Where does the Constitution specifically give the federal government the right to dictate to whom states can grant marriage contracts?

I'm not being facetious. I think the law was a bad law, but I think it was perfectly Constitutional, so unless a federal law is passed to supercede the state law or the constitution is ammended, it should've been allowed to stand. Please explain to me why I'm wrong. Otherwise, I have to view the argument that it was unconstitutional as a slightly less defensible position than, "They shouldn't be able to be married because Jesus says so." At least people who say that can cite their sources.

touche. By "any power" not specifically granted to the federal government, does this mean that any power imaginable not covered by the constitution is an allowable power for a state to have?

In a word? Yes.

That's kind of why the language is intentionally vague in many cases, and why our courts have such powerful roles. But I would think that if marriage was as fundamental a right as we would be lead to believe, the founders might have mentioned it at least once in the framing, or it would have been added as an ammendment.

 

[Pariahwulfen]

It would be cheaper.

Besides, you missed my point, so i will re post it

genetic disorders should not be accepted but rather cured.

That is what i propose to do, no test tube babies, none of that.

Just simple gene therpy.

You realy did take me off topic.

You keep saying I missed your point but you've totally missed mine, so I will reiterate.

Why even cure a disorder? It is illogical in an emotionless world, wherein the best course of action would be to simply eliminate the specimen. The only reason to cure is a desire not to kill, which is irrational according to you. Especially seeing as in such a world, people who would not have reproduced would be better able, increasing the population exponentially.

Also, I did not take you off topic. You brought it up when you proclaimed, in your infinite wisdom, that emotions are irrational and unnecessary. Such a proclamation naturally leads to the topic of child-rearing, which would, according to your logic, be best undertaken free of any love or support, possibly in a tube then by a series of machines for education and maintenance.

But seriously, dude, you're fairly messed up. What happened to you to make you this way? Did your parents not love you? Did the kids pick on you at school? Did they tease you? Well, you'll just have to wait to exact revenge upon their inferior minds until the lair is complete and your white cat is back from the grooming place.

Also, I've decided that I'm above even arguing with you (and its 3am here) as frankly I have better things to do than "debate" with an emotionally crippled narcissist.

Of course, you'll think you've won. You're welcome to because I know better...

This is made me smile.

It would be cheaper to kill them, if i had my way that's what i would do.

Your going to leave ?

Suppose this means i win.

Nope you just lost the game, as the only way to win is to choose not to play.

 

[FinalHeart95]

Thank you California! I see no problem with giving gays the legal rights that straights get when they marry. Seriously, what is the problem, other than a massive hatred of homosexuals?

If the law forced churches to marry homosexuals, however, that would be wrong. Chruches have the right to marry whomever they want, even if it is morally ambiguous.

I will repeat, mabey some of you can sing along this time.

Genetic disorders should not be accepted but rather cured.

Also, point i should mention is when i say genetic disorders i mean bad ones, not ones that help us to survive, i thought that was pretty obvious.

Clue was in the word "disorder".

Seeing how homosexuality doesn't hurt humanity at all, I think the label "genetic disorder" shouldn't be applied here. Besides, the human body has tons of things that don't help us to survive, are those disorders? Having a tailbone is a genetic disorder because it's useless?

 

[Macgyvercas]

just like we would remove genes that caused austism.

As someone who has Autism (Asperger's Syndrome, to be precise), I take offense at that. People with Autism are not as disfunctional as 99% of sterotypes make us out to be. We can do the exact same things neurotypicals can do, and we can do them just as well. There is nothing wrong with Autism, and it isn't something that really needs to be "fixed".

Oh shit it's on.

Seriously, I also know someone with Aspergers, and while I know he probably would be happy without it. He'd be offended that your making it sound like he's an unfunctioning person who is a burden on society who needs to be "cured".

Was that directed at me or the person I quoted? Because I was trying to say that Autsim is not something to be cured and that persons with Asperger's and Autsim contribute to society just as well as neurotypicals do. Apologies if it didn't sound that way, or if your quote was directed at lordbuxton.

 

[Chewster]

It's about damn time. Canada welcomes you to the future.

This.

Also, i wish I'd been here earlier so I could have jumped in to some of the debates. As it stands, I'm amused by the amateur geneticist.

Way to make Micheal Crichton proud.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

I believe gay marriage is wrong, that is just my opinion, Its just sounds like an oxymoron to me

Fair enough, care to elaborate?

[http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/warboss5/?action=view&current=its-a-trap.jpg]

hehe, sorry, couldn't help myself =P

Im with this guy, I think its wrong but I fear that if I elaborate the majority of you will unnecessarily start slamming, condeming, and or me for defending my beliefs and my reasons for having them

 

[lordbuxton]

51.5% voted against it, 48.5% voted for it? why did people vote if it didnt matter?

Because we live in a Republic and not a Democracy. If we were in a Democracy than it would be majority rule all, all the time, aka tyranny of the many, but thats not the case in America.

The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.

This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.

mate they are going to slaughter you, but i think its a fair opinion...

Right, ill cast the first stone...

Who are you to decide who should and shouldn't love each other? who is anyone to decide for another person who they can and can't be with. It's fuck heads like you that bring the world down, it's fuck heads like you that feel you have the authority to tell my family members how to live their life. You sir can fuck right off.

No son, you can fuck off.

Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it.

As a species we should be trying to constantly improve our selves, removing genetic mutations and developing natural immunity to disease.

So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race.

Hey you sound really familiar. Wait... removing genetic mutations... advancement of human race. Oh! You're Hitler! (Godwin's law ironical)
Sorry but your idea is to "cure" every one who isn't perfect sounds like the final solution.

Let me tell you something, homosexuals are not a threat. They don't kill anyone, they are not contagious, they are not going to sneak in your house and rape you.

"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.

"So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race"
So you think civil rights are crippling the advancement of the human race?

Please for the love of God open your fucking eyes and stop trying to be so damn "smart" and "advanced".

Where to begin ?


Let me tell you something, homosexuals are not a threat. They don't kill anyone, they are not contagious, they are not going to sneak in your house and rape you.
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No where did i say we should kill homosexuals rather i said we should be trying to cure it.


"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Emotions are primitive animal urges that are no longer necessary in mordern society.

"So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race"
So you think civil rights are crippling the advancement of the human race?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not so much the civil rights but the view of accepting a disorder as acceptable instead of trying to cure it.

I am going to focus on this.

LB-"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
TLBB-People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.
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LB-Emotions are primitive animal urges that are no longer necessary in mordern society.

Are you crazy? Really, I have a strong impulse that you are just trolling around (You just started posing on this topic) but this is extremely alarming.
No emotions. Well then with no emotion we wouldn't have art. With no emotions we wouldn't have love, sure we would mate to reproduce, but it wouldn't be love. With no emotion we would have nothing that gives us joy, nothing that gives us pleasure in life. Removing emotion would be a devolving step for the human race. Every single culture would be wiped off the face of the planet and replaced with a grey utopia of nothing.
You must have had one fucked up childhood to be thinking like this, you must be one fucked up person to think that the human race should kill off the genetic inferior. You must be one arrogant person to think that people with abnormalities are less than you, but in reality you are the weakling.
You are weak, you want to feel special and you act like a fucking God over the internet, when in reality you are probably a scroungy little shit that can do fuck all. You are a pathetic example of a person.

There was never a point in life. The only reason we live is to try and be happy. We give to charity because we feel guilty. We eat bad food because we it releases endorphines. It realy is a never ending quest to fufil our minds wants and desires. I took a pragmatic aproach to this, humanity should try to better it's self. Also, if you had no emotion you wouldn't feel unhappy would you ?

 

[theSovietConnection]

I support gay marriage, they should have the right to be equally as miserable as everyone else.

Cookie for reference.

 

[Oilerfan92]

It would be cheaper.

Besides, you missed my point, so i will re post it

genetic disorders should not be accepted but rather cured.

That is what i propose to do, no test tube babies, none of that.

Just simple gene therpy.

You realy did take me off topic.

You keep saying I missed your point but you've totally missed mine, so I will reiterate.

Why even cure a disorder? It is illogical in an emotionless world, wherein the best course of action would be to simply eliminate the specimen. The only reason to cure is a desire not to kill, which is irrational according to you. Especially seeing as in such a world, people who would not have reproduced would be better able, increasing the population exponentially.

Also, I did not take you off topic. You brought it up when you proclaimed, in your infinite wisdom, that emotions are irrational and unnecessary. Such a proclamation naturally leads to the topic of child-rearing, which would, according to your logic, be best undertaken free of any love or support, possibly in a tube then by a series of machines for education and maintenance.

But seriously, dude, you're fairly messed up. What happened to you to make you this way? Did your parents not love you? Did the kids pick on you at school? Did they tease you? Well, you'll just have to wait to exact revenge upon their inferior minds until the lair is complete and your white cat is back from the grooming place.

Also, I've decided that I'm above even arguing with you (and its 3am here) as frankly I have better things to do than "debate" with an emotionally crippled narcissist.

Of course, you'll think you've won. You're welcome to because I know better...

This is made me smile.

It would be cheaper to kill them, if i had my way that's what i would do.

Your going to leave ?

Suppose this means i win.

You have just stated that you wish to kill all homosexuals for being different. That is hate speech. I hope you burn in Hell with all your kind. This website is one of discussion and debate. Not hate. This also implies that you wish to kill everyone who is blind and autistic. Having a brother that went blind and a friend with Aspergers this is horrible.

You have a "if they rant perfect we must exterminate them" message, which is very similar to the Nazi attitude during the hHolocaust.

I know you will now hide behind the shield of free speech like the pussy you are.