California Gay Marriage Ban Lifted

[Sleekgiant]

Yeah,I am against gay marriage to, I agree, I am not going to try and fight with these people.

Im with this guy, I think its wrong but I fear that if I elaborate the majority of you will unnecessarily start slamming, condeming, and or me for defending my beliefs and my reasons for having them

I feel that you should at least put why you are against it. If you feel you are going to get slammed then you need to remind yourselves these are highly moderated forums.

As for me I'm quite happy with this and hope it does get passed and not overturned.

 

[Blue Musician]

Although I am gald of this, I didn't know California had outlawed this...

Now, this is just another step to equal rights.

All we need now is robosexual marriage.

 

[FaceFaceFace]

Buxton fits my personal definition of troll, he only responds to the weakest or most irrelevant replies to his own posts. Combined with his likely purposely bad grammar and the infinite comedy of responding to a post that said "Quitting may make you think you've won..."
with "So you quit? Guess that means I win" makes it even more obvious. Although he certainly is a successful troll. Congrats mi'lordbuxton.

Edit: Aww I noticed he said goodbye right after I posted this. Sad day.

 

[The Lost Big Boss]

51.5% voted against it, 48.5% voted for it? why did people vote if it didnt matter?

Because we live in a Republic and not a Democracy. If we were in a Democracy than it would be majority rule all, all the time, aka tyranny of the many, but thats not the case in America.

The title says it all, but here's a link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california?CMP=AFCYAH

Basically, a judge found the ban was unconstitutional.

Personally, I am pretty glad they've done this. It's a victory for civil rights and just generally great (speaking as a brit).

Thoughts? I know you're all reasonably enlightened so I can't imagine much hate for this news.

This is absolute bull.

To support gay marrige is to accept a mental disorder as "acceptable".

We should be trying to cure this disorder rather than accepting it as a part of life.

mate they are going to slaughter you, but i think its a fair opinion...

Right, ill cast the first stone...

Who are you to decide who should and shouldn't love each other? who is anyone to decide for another person who they can and can't be with. It's fuck heads like you that bring the world down, it's fuck heads like you that feel you have the authority to tell my family members how to live their life. You sir can fuck right off.

No son, you can fuck off.

Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it.

As a species we should be trying to constantly improve our selves, removing genetic mutations and developing natural immunity to disease.

So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race.

Hey you sound really familiar. Wait... removing genetic mutations... advancement of human race. Oh! You're Hitler! (Godwin's law ironical)
Sorry but your idea is to "cure" every one who isn't perfect sounds like the final solution.

Let me tell you something, homosexuals are not a threat. They don't kill anyone, they are not contagious, they are not going to sneak in your house and rape you.

"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.

"So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race"
So you think civil rights are crippling the advancement of the human race?

Please for the love of God open your fucking eyes and stop trying to be so damn "smart" and "advanced".

Where to begin ?


Let me tell you something, homosexuals are not a threat. They don't kill anyone, they are not contagious, they are not going to sneak in your house and rape you.
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No where did i say we should kill homosexuals rather i said we should be trying to cure it.


"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.
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Emotions are primitive animal urges that are no longer necessary in mordern society.

"So it's "fuck heads" like you that are crippling the advancement of the human race"
So you think civil rights are crippling the advancement of the human race?
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Not so much the civil rights but the view of accepting a disorder as acceptable instead of trying to cure it.

I am going to focus on this.

LB-"Love is a chemical, it's pathetic to try and romanticise it."
TLBB-People like you are going to kill the humanity of the human race. We aren't fucking robots, we have emotions and feelings.
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LB-Emotions are primitive animal urges that are no longer necessary in mordern society.

Are you crazy? Really, I have a strong impulse that you are just trolling around (You just started posing on this topic) but this is extremely alarming.
No emotions. Well then with no emotion we wouldn't have art. With no emotions we wouldn't have love, sure we would mate to reproduce, but it wouldn't be love. With no emotion we would have nothing that gives us joy, nothing that gives us pleasure in life. Removing emotion would be a devolving step for the human race. Every single culture would be wiped off the face of the planet and replaced with a grey utopia of nothing.
You must have had one fucked up childhood to be thinking like this, you must be one fucked up person to think that the human race should kill off the genetic inferior. You must be one arrogant person to think that people with abnormalities are less than you, but in reality you are the weakling.
You are weak, you want to feel special and you act like a fucking God over the internet, when in reality you are probably a scroungy little shit that can do fuck all. You are a pathetic example of a person.

There was never a point in life. The only reason we live is to try and be happy. We give to charity because we feel guilty. We eat bad food because we it releases endorphines. It realy is a never ending quest to fufil our minds wants and desires. I took a pragmatic aproach to this, humanity should try to better it's self. Also, if you had no emotion you wouldn't feel unhappy would you ?

Better itself by killing off every "inferior person" for the sake of the gene pool. Better itself by getting rid of humanity. You are sick, and your pathetic attempt to be edgy is a reflection of your character, or lack of.
But you are right on one thing, there is no point to life. Life is what we make of it. In your point of view, life is supposed to be fuck all, and only think of the advancement of humanity. You want to be "nothing", you don't want people to have free will, you don't want people to have the right to self preservation if you will kill every one off who is a "lesser" being.
My view on life is to enjoy the short time we have. It's to live to the fullest. It's to be happy with who I wan't to be happy with. It's to engorge myself in Burger King to release those endorphins and make me feel happy. It's to live, not just exist.

 

[Arehexes]

I believe gay marriage is wrong, that is just my opinion, Its just sounds like an oxymoron to me

Fair enough, care to elaborate?

[http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/warboss5/?action=view&current=its-a-trap.jpg]

hehe, sorry, couldn't help myself =P

HAHA i dont doubt that its a trap.

Well marriage has always been when two people 'come together' under the responsibilities of a religion, and we know that religions tend to reject homosexuality.

So why call it 'marriage' which has always been religious.

While I don't disregard what you say (it is true religions reject homosexuality, and I'm glad you're not someone just saying "FAGS SHOULDN'T MARRY" (I respect anyone who casts a thought with rational reason)), but it's kinda wrong when the state gets involved and gives benefits to married people unmarried people can't have because of a religion that believes homosexuality is a sin when we have men of the cloth touching little boys. I'm just saying it's kinda hard to say "It's wrong for two men/women to marry cause of a book", when that same book says things we outlawed already(I'm referring to just the bible here). But like I said I'm not fighting your belief, I respect everyone's belief (and your one of the few people I seen on a forum about this subject to be rational), I just honestly can't follow the logic of saying that (and people in high places who do say that end up getting caught with a same sex partner).

 

[thethingthatlurks]

Yes if you had emotion. If not then you wouldn't care. No point in life either way.

The only reason we live is to try and be happy.

But if we had no emotion, you don't think we should live?

We shouldn't.

Bye all

Buh-bye, please let the door hit you on your way out!

 

[Matt_LRR]

Yes if you had emotion. If not then you wouldn't care. No point in life either way.

The only reason we live is to try and be happy.

But if we had no emotion, you don't think we should live?

We shouldn't.


Bye all

Seriously guys.

Dude was playing you like a piano.

there are potentially debates to be had over this news. Nothing buxton had to say about anything was among them.

-m

 

[-Drifter-]

It's a forum so it realy doesn't matter.

It doesn't change the fact that if you act like an ass, people will treat you like one.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

On one hand, I'm glad to see that institutionalized discrimination is not going to be acceptable in our society regardless of how big the "majority" is that wants it. I'm all about state's rights, but we must be careful not to just stumble back into "Jim Crow" territory.
I mean, what is to stop some community or state from deciding that interracial marriages should be illegal too. Oh wait, they did. Heck, it was illegal when Obama's parents were creating the would be future president.

The problem however is that a lot of people see homosexuality as morally deviant and disgusting behavior and it is a lifestyle completely based around one's SEXUAL preference.. something that should be reserved for the bedroom. Nobody gets any benefit for being "heterosexual" and already I've been hearing these arguments that if its ok for two same sexes to be open about their sexual behavior, what is to stop pedophiles from claiming the same thing? They were "born this way", they can't help their "sexual preference". Arguments can be made against men and 5 year olds, but what about grown men and 15 year olds, who arguably CAN make their own decisions (at least where criminal law is concerned, as we seem to be sentencing kids to harsher and harsher prison terms for criminal behavior). Such arguments bother me because on a moral level BOTH seem wrong, but if we don't discriminate against one, how can we argue its ok to discriminate against them both? And yet if I say I believe both are disgusting I'm painted as some homophobic pariah even though I think Homophobia is a vastly incorrectly used term, as most people dislike homosexuality, they don't actually "fear" it. They find it disgusting, not frightening.
But either way, its going to be a problem.

My biggest fear however is FOR homosexuals... see, when people feel there is no "justice" for their beliefs, that the LAW or the GOVERNMENT won't aid them, then sadly they turn to OTHER forms of more DIRECT action. That is when society gets into seriously "ugly" territory.
That is when people take things into their own hands... violent, mob-mentality hands. I'm hoping we dont start seeing ugly actions against homosexuals in california, random beatings, gay bashings, destruction of gay property, and fear-mongering.. isolation.. prejudice both open and hidden. But I guess it will have to get worse before it gets better?

I'm reminded of a conversation I had on another forum once when David Tennant left Doctor Who and people were wondering who the new Doctor would be. In the same thread I saw people talk about how it doesn't matter if the actor who plays the Doctor is a "gay man", but the idea of a BLACK man playing Doctor Who was almost universally abhorrent. So the way I see it, racism, and bias, aren't just things found in America, nor are they things that have been marginalized in our society.

People choose sides, they form like-think herds. A "Person" is smart. "People" are stupid, violent, panicky animals that are dangerous in large groups.

 

[Seifen]

c'mon people I just wrote 2 paragraphs about straight people marrying each other and you have nothing to say?

 

[demoman_chaos]

I dont see why gay marriage is banned, it doesn't really exist. Gay is defined as happy, and happy marriages aren't happy anymore after a few years.

Oh wait, the other kind of gay..... I don't see why it is illegal. Where in the bible does it say women can't marry women? No "hidden meaning" nonsense, where does it outright say that the christian diety hates guys who like it in the off-ramp (so to speak). Jesus never said, "Me Bless you all, except the gays." Moses never told the Egyptians to keep the "fruity ones." And those that say, "Its Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve," get a few points for creativity but those points are instantly taken away for stupidity.
Gay isn't a new thing either, and it isn't unmanly. If I remember right, the Scared Band of Thebes (ancient Greek soldiers on par with Spartans in terms of fighting ability) were encouraged to sodomize with each other, for a man will fight harder to protect his lover who happens to be next to him in phalanx.

So gay is okay (see what I did there), but not my way. If they want to marry, let them. It's their life they are ruining.

 

[jamesworkshop]

Hurray Gay people can get married in california just like they alwayeds used to be able too technically nothing has changed

for the Land of the free you certainly know how to screw up when it comes to civil rights issues

 

[Matt_LRR]

c'mon people I just wrote 2 paragraphs about straight people marrying each other and you have nothing to say?

dude, did you see my post on pg 7? I spent an hour on that *****, and no one even read it.

-m

 

[Agayek]

In what way are tax breaks for married couples unconstitutional?

-m

This has probably already been answered since I'm late to the party but I'll answer it anyway:

The Government giving any kind of special notice or privileges to married couples is governmental recognition of a religious state, and thus the separation of church and state is violated.

On a more personal note though, it seems kinda silly to give married couples tax breaks. It just strikes me as unnecessary.


On the actual topic of the thread: It's about time. I don't get the whole hooplah about gay marriage. Anyone should be freely allowed to marry any other (willing) person, regardless of anything else. It's incredibly foolish, not to mention an extremely clear violation of personal rights, to deny someone the ability to marry their chosen partner.

 

[Seifen]

Holy crap, HyenaThePirate just said some of the most enlightening, eloquent sh*t I have ever heard...

 

[tgrant200]

I'm happy for the gay/lesbian people in California; now they can enjoy the right of marriage with the rest of us. Disallowing anyone the right to marry whom ever they want is equivalent to not allowing a group of people to vote or to enter a the same part of a restaurant.

 

[sarahvait]

It would be cheaper to kill them, if i had my way that's what i would do .

What does this mean then ?

I think it means any rational argument he had is gone

At this point, I'm going to assume he's from the place on the internet that shall not be named and forget about it. Too bad. How joyless can you get?

 

[AgDr_ODST]

Yeah,I am against gay marriage to, I agree, I am not going to try and fight with these people.

Im with this guy, I think its wrong but I fear that if I elaborate the majority of you will unnecessarily start slamming, condeming, and or me for defending my beliefs and my reasons for having them

I feel that you should at least put why you are against it. If you feel you are going to get slammed then you need to remind yourselves these are highly moderated forums.

As for me I'm quite happy with this and hope it does get passed and not overturned.

Well my primary reason is because Im a Christian first and foremost and Im politically conservative when it comes down too it second most.

 

[Matt_LRR]

In what way are tax breaks for married couples unconstitutional?

-m

This has probably already been answered since I'm late to the party but I'll answer it anyway:

The Government giving any kind of special notice or privileges to married couples is governmental recognition of a religious state, and thus the separation of church and state is violated.

On a more personal note though, it seems kinda silly to give married couples tax breaks. It just strikes me as unnecessary.


On the actual topic of the thread: It's about time. I don't get the whole hooplah about gay marriage. Anyone should be freely allowed to marry any other (willing) person, regardless of anything else. It's incredibly foolish, not to mention an extremely clear violation of personal rights, to deny someone the ability to marry their chosen partner.

On;y if you take marriage to be religiously based, which is far from a given, and, in the context of this ruling was rejected on principle. According to the judgement in this case:

The state regulates marriage because marriage creates stable households, which in turn form the basis of a stable, governable populace.

That's a political/economic, not a religious purpose.

-m

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

It's about damn time. Canada welcomes you to the future.

Being ninja'd by a fellow Canadian doesn't feel bad at all.

I think suppressing minorities in general is just terrible. I'm glad they were forced to through that useless law into the garbage bin.

Spoiler

On one hand, I'm glad to see that institutionalized discrimination is not going to be acceptable in our society regardless of how big the "majority" is that wants it. I'm all about state's rights, but we must be careful not to just stumble back into "Jim Crow" territory.
I mean, what is to stop some community or state from deciding that interracial marriages should be illegal too. Oh wait, they did. Heck, it was illegal when Obama's parents were creating the would be future president.

The problem however is that a lot of people see homosexuality as morally deviant and disgusting behavior and it is a lifestyle completely based around one's SEXUAL preference.. something that should be reserved for the bedroom. Nobody gets any benefit for being "heterosexual" and already I've been hearing these arguments that if its ok for two same sexes to be open about their sexual behavior, what is to stop pedophiles from claiming the same thing? They were "born this way", they can't help their "sexual preference". Arguments can be made against men and 5 year olds, but what about grown men and 15 year olds, who arguably CAN make their own decisions (at least where criminal law is concerned, as we seem to be sentencing kids to harsher and harsher prison terms for criminal behavior). Such arguments bother me because on a moral level BOTH seem wrong, but if we don't discriminate against one, how can we argue its ok to discriminate against them both? And yet if I say I believe both are disgusting I'm painted as some homophobic pariah even though I think Homophobia is a vastly incorrectly used term, as most people dislike homosexuality, they don't actually "fear" it. They find it disgusting, not frightening.
But either way, its going to be a problem.

My biggest fear however is FOR homosexuals... see, when people feel there is no "justice" for their beliefs, that the LAW or the GOVERNMENT won't aid them, then sadly they turn to OTHER forms of more DIRECT action. That is when society gets into seriously "ugly" territory.
That is when people take things into their own hands... violent, mob-mentality hands. I'm hoping we dont start seeing ugly actions against homosexuals in california, random beatings, gay bashings, destruction of gay property, and fear-mongering.. isolation.. prejudice both open and hidden. But I guess it will have to get worse before it gets better?

I'm reminded of a conversation I had on another forum once when David Tennant left Doctor Who and people were wondering who the new Doctor would be. In the same thread I saw people talk about how it doesn't matter if the actor who plays the Doctor is a "gay man", but the idea of a BLACK man playing Doctor Who was almost universally abhorrent. So the way I see it, racism, and bias, aren't just things found in America, nor are they things that have been marginalized in our society.

People choose sides, they form like-think herds. A "Person" is smart. "People" are stupid, violent, panicky animals that are dangerous in large groups.

Quoted for the truth. Well spoken sir, well spoken. I really do hope we can avoid the violence.