Call of Duty: World at War

[BaronAsh]

Convince me where the hell the glory is in a a war that claimed 70million lives. Also try glorifying war in front of my grandpa who is a holocaust survivor. As Yahtzee has said time and time again America is on about WW2 too much. Why couldn't they make another cod 4 style game that would of tottaly kicked massive ass. Cod4 is an excellent game that they could have improved apon and made an even better game after that.

Glory of war is something that you have to look somewhere other then the kill count to find.

Its the ideal of 4000 plains indians rising up against the U.S. Its the ideal of the 13 days of glory at the Alamo.

Its the ideal of people fighting for what they believe, if you can't understand or appreciate that, then good sir I pity you.

 

[ElephantGuts]

Well first of all the article only said, "...formerly known as Call of Duty 5...", which proves nothing. Unless I missed something.

Second of all, I guess we'll see when they announce the COD game after WAW, won't we?

 

[ElephantGuts]

Alright, I'll admit you may have a point.

I just find it odd that the game would be the same thing as COD 5 when there isn't even a 5 in the title. And that they would go on to COD6 without having a game called COD5. Odd. I still think there's a chance I'm right, though. As I said, we'll see.

And screw the sniper, did you kill him? Please do if you can, or else I'm sending you the bill. Or I could just have him killed, but then I'd send you the bill for that.

 

[chieftain mike]

Activision is using COD:WAW to pay Infinity Ward the money they deserve to make COD6. COD5 will suck. WW2 is over, and does not need to be relived again, and again. There are plenty of modern arenas to fight in.

What I find interesting is how you called the game COD: WAW and COD5 within two sentences. Unless you have access to some information no one else seems to, COD5 has not yet been announced. COD: WAW is that and simply that. If you insisted on counting every single COD game in the numerical sequence, we'd be up to around COD 7 or 8. Obviously we are not. COD: Finest Hour or COD: Big Red 1 just had subtitles, and no one calls them COD3 or 4. Why insist on trating WAW differently?

That's right, there's no reason. So stop it. COD5 will eventually come out ( from IW, one can assume), and if you're going to call WAW COD5 then there will be two COD5s. And we don't want that, do we?

Infinity Ward said that they are working on COD6.

World at War is COD5. Deal with it.

I thought people would debate about a number of things, but the number 5 was not one of them.

 

[LordCraigus]

Decoy Doctorpus I love the point you made by the way. Hope you don't mind if I combine the two posts I made in the last half an hour on the subject of WWII games.

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I thought I should make another post actually concerning the game. I think the Berlin parts look a bit strange, the German soldiers I've seen in pictures and videos aren't exactly how I'd invision the defenders of Berlin. They look a bit too stereotypical Nazi soldier from what I've seen, whereas realistically they'd be a mish-mash of SS, Volkssturm, Hitler Youth... etc. I just hope if there is the fight for the Reichstag, it's better than in CoD1.

Onto the Pacific parts I've seen, it seems overly action-packed. Of course you need action, but if you read about it or even watch films like Letters from Iwo Jima or Thin Red Line the US soldiers had to spend many hours rooting out the Japanese from where they'd dug themselves in.
In my opinion a hard fight up a hill for a position defended by fanatical Japanese soldiers would be just as intense, if not more so, than facing them head on in a Banzai charge. Hopefully the game will let us do some bunker clearing of our own (this would be where the flamethrower comes in) rather than just giving us the objective of calling for artillery to neutralise a Japanese position.

So at the moment it still doesn't appear to be anywhere in the realms of the step-forward for WWII FPS I keep hoping for. BiA:HH is about the most different looking WWII FPS this year, unless there's any gems I haven't heard about yet.

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There's definitely good and interesting WWII games still being made every year (most of them strategy games mind you), the thing is by now these games are only really appealing to WWII enthusiasts who will already be adept at recognising a diamond in the rough.

I think one of the biggest things that makes most of the big WWII shooters from being indistinguishable now is that the thrill of the game mostly derives from the slaying of enemies, rather than the experience. Few games manage to deliver the grittiness and atmosphere so praised in war films of the past few decades.
I'm no expert on the industry but I'm sure most of the tools are there for developers to make a WWII shooter that mixed enough realism, historical accuracy and good gameplay to be a great and unique game. A game that like all the best war films, questions you on the point of war and the morals concerned with it. I'd like to think games have come that far, or at least they have the potential to in the near future.

As an example a shooter where you play the Germans during the campaign, at least in part, would no doubt be a much more unique experience. Especially because any developer wanting to make a game like that would surely be trying to cater for those who want something different within the genre. An FPS would definitely be the best medium for the hard-hitting WWII game I dream of, strategy is by definition the focus on the military aspects of the events it portrays.

I'll always have something to say on WWII games.

 

[stompy]

As an example a shooter where you play the Germans during the campaign, at least in part, would no doubt be a much more unique experience. Especially because any developer wanting to make a game like that would surely be trying to cater for those who want something different within the genre. An FPS would definitely be the best medium for the hard-hitting WWII game I dream of, strategy is by definition the focus on the military aspects of the events it portrays.

It would be a fantastic thing to play as the Germans, to see how the fight was on the other side of the battle. Unfortunately, with the current stereotype of gaming as it is, the developer of such a game would be decried as a Neo-Nazi, and the game would automatically be given an AO rating (R18+ and the like), meaning practically no-one could buy it. When gaming is accepted a medium to express more than "hur hur, i iz having funz!!!!11one1!", perhaps some developer will have the gall to release such a game, but until then, I suppose we're just going to have to relive Normandy, again and again.

As for Call of Duty: World at War, I'm staying away from it, for the time being. I have other games that I would rather get (like Brothers In Arms),and thus, my budget is stretched already. Plus, it just doesn't interest me; I don't see any aspect of the game that screams "Get me now!", kinda like what Modern Warfare had.

 

[HeyZeus_Ezekiel_Jesus]

If this is the last COD game to be in WWII 'cause it's the only one that features the Pacific War Theater then I'm fine with it. As long as COD5 is set back in modern times.

EDIT: I just looked it up and COD:WAW is COD5 'cause they're in development on COD6 already, or at least pre-development or whatever it's called.

 

[ShyWinter]

World War 2 games can still be interesting; remember Sniper Elite for the PS2? Though I get the feeling Call of Duty 5, or whatever the hell you want to call it, is going to be "just another WW2 game." Hopefully they won't mediocritize (real word) the genre like Medal of Honor, or did that already happen? Still, I think we should wait until the game come out, THEN we can all crucify Treyarch.

 

[The Denzel]

Judging by the multiplayer it's exactly COD4 with a new skin. Now seeing as COD4's multiplayer is awesome, thats a sale right there.

3 Kills = Recon Plane
5 Kills = Artillery
7 Kills = Dogs (these are awesome!)

 

[Gotham Soul]

If it's set in World War 2 again, then I'm probably not going to like it, but we'll have to see.

I'd like to see a Call of Duty or Medal of Honor game in which the protagonist isn't from a wealthy, mostly Caucasian European and/or North American country? Some of us want to be religious extremists too, you know (In a game I mean).

 

[chieftain mike]

As an example a shooter where you play the Germans during the campaign, at least in part, would no doubt be a much more unique experience. Especially because any developer wanting to make a game like that would surely be trying to cater for those who want something different within the genre. An FPS would definitely be the best medium for the hard-hitting WWII game I dream of, strategy is by definition the focus on the military aspects of the events it portrays.

It would be a fantastic thing to play as the Germans, to see how the fight was on the other side of the battle. Unfortunately, with the current stereotype of gaming as it is, the developer of such a game would be decried as a Neo-Nazi, and the game would automatically be given an AO rating (R18+ and the like), meaning practically no-one could buy it. When gaming is accepted a medium to express more than "hur hur, i iz having funz!!!!11one1!", perhaps some developer will have the gall to release such a game, but until then, I suppose we're just going to have to relive Normandy, again and again.

As for Call of Duty: World at War, I'm staying away from it, for the time being. I have other games that I would rather get (like Brothers In Arms),and thus, my budget is stretched already. Plus, it just doesn't interest me; I don't see any aspect of the game that screams "Get me now!", kinda like what Modern Warfare had.

If you portrayed the protagonist as anti-nazi then it could be possible. He could say that is fighting for the fatherland and not for Hitler. Why not?

 

[stompy]

If you portrayed the protagonist as anti-nazi then it could be possible. He could say that is fighting for the fatherland and not for Hitler. Why not?

Even if the protagonist was anti-Nazi (which is highly unlikely, since Hitler's charisma made him seen as some sort of god-like creature), the media would be in an uproar over portraying a Nazi, and killing American soldiers (because we all know that Fox News will be the main contribute to the media frenzy).

The time will come when video games could be used to explore and express mature themes and issues, but now is not the time. Which is unfortunate, since till then, we're stuck with Call of Duty and Medal of Honour rip-offs (except for Brothers in Arms of course).

 

[Dommyboy]

The Beta is surprisingly fun according to my friend. I like how everything is brighter and not as gloomy as the other CoD games. Everything looked the same in CoD3. Best change is that its got co-op and half of it takes place in the pacific.

 

[Trogd0r]

I'm downloading the beta as I type this, and I'm really looking forward to playing it.
I was and still am a HUGE fan of the COD4 multiplayer, and if the main gameplay is about the same, I am buying it on day one.

 

[FrankDux]

The Beta is surprisingly fun according to my friend. I like how everything is brighter and not as gloomy as the other CoD games. Everything looked the same in CoD3. Best change is that its got co-op and half of it takes place in the pacific.

Coop is a killer addition to this game. I think it was sorely missing (just about the only thing, besides a cover mechanism) from the last game. WW2 again is disappointing, but not enough to scare me away.

 

[Senor Smoke21]

Going back to WW2 is a bit of a letdown but we are seeing it from the Pacific point of view this time, which i think has only been done once in MoH: Rising Sun (correct me if I'm wrong).
I'm just looking for a fun shooter in an environment i haven't played before, although i am apprehensive about Treyarch. Haven't played CoD3 myself but heard lots of bad things and Treyarch is apparently to blame.
May not even get this as Left4Deads out soon.

 

[Atvomat_Nikonov]

Ah so much hate for this game. I am looking forward to WAW because I'm a sucker for bolt-action rifles and I like the idea of it being incredibly similar to COD 4, but in WWII. In my opinion, COD 4 sucked. I really dislike the game and I only play it because I have nothing better to play.

For the record, I loved COD 3 and I would play it over a few FPS' in my collection*glares at COD 4*.

 

[chieftain mike]

If you portrayed the protagonist as anti-nazi then it could be possible. He could say that is fighting for the fatherland and not for Hitler. Why not?

Even if the protagonist was anti-Nazi (which is highly unlikely, since Hitler's charisma made him seen as some sort of god-like creature), the media would be in an uproar over portraying a Nazi, and killing American soldiers (because we all know that Fox News will be the main contribute to the media frenzy).

The time will come when video games could be used to explore and express mature themes and issues, but now is not the time. Which is unfortunate, since till then, we're stuck with Call of Duty and Medal of Honour rip-offs (except for Brothers in Arms of course).

It's so sad that that you are right and I am wrong. An anti nazi soldier can be done without uproar though. the german sergeant in the BRA:HH spinoff novel is a prime example of this.