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No.Captain Picard said:
Look, I'm not a big fan of 4e myself. I don't hate it as much as some do, but I simply prefer 3.5e. Part of that is for the same reason I prefer Firefox over Chrome. I've hacked, modified, and house-ruled the whole thing to hell and back, and I'll be damned if I start it all over again for the new hotness. The other part is just "they changed it, now it sucks" rearing its ugly head. As a system, I have almost no problems with 4e.
Anyway, to the point, pathfinder shouldn't have been 4e because it doesn't really bring anything significant to the table. It's basically just a collection of house-rules for 3.5e. It's more like 3.5.5e or something, and for someone who has been playing 3.5e for a long time it's utterly pointless since I prefer my own modifications over those of Pathfinder.
I'm certainly not saying that Pathfinder is bad, because it really isn't, I'm just saying that it's pointless. In comparison 4e is a complete re-imagining of the D20 system, which is why it's a whole new edition. I'd personally prefer Pathfinder over 4e, but saying that Pathfinder should've been 4e just means you're missing the point entirely.
I'd never though of it like that, so I agree that you do make a good point. I guess my beef with 4th Ed. is that it's almost a complete change from 3.X, but could hardly be called an astounding success in that most 3.X players have migrated or will migrate to 4th Ed. I don't particularly care for a number of details in 4th Ed., and the changes that I do like are too few to put it ahead of 3.X in my book. The reason why Pathfinder appeals so much to me is that it took some of the few things I liked about 4th Ed and incorporated them into the familiar 3.X.Hurr Durr Derp said:
I guess some of my discontent also stems from the fact that 4th Ed. is the face of D&D now. When people say D&D, they'll probably be talking about 4th Ed., which I don't particularly care for. I suppose a time comes though, when you just have to stick with what you like instead of railing against the latest and greatest, which isn't always better. Let the kids have their Fisher-Price ruleset, and stick with whatever work for you.
I can't say that 4th edition is bad. I haven't played it, and I haven't read the books. I have spoken for an hour or two about it with someone who has done both extensively, and based on that I feel I can say it sounds terrible. I don't expect crippling levels of realism in my gaming, but healing surges and "per-encounter" powers? Really? We're just playing Diablo at the kitchen table now?
I'm not going to say that 2nd or 3rd editions were smarter (though I do miss the mathematical elegance of THAC0), and I do think the game should evolve. I don't think they should have called this new game Dungeons and Dragons.
I'm not going to say that 2nd or 3rd editions were smarter (though I do miss the mathematical elegance of THAC0), and I do think the game should evolve. I don't think they should have called this new game Dungeons and Dragons.
I only own the older editions, haven't even looked at the newer ones. That said, there are other systems I prefer anyway.
I find it easier (not to mention cheaper) to use systems that have only a couple books as opposed to D&D that seems to be breeding the poor things like rabbits.
I find it easier (not to mention cheaper) to use systems that have only a couple books as opposed to D&D that seems to be breeding the poor things like rabbits.
I don't play 4E and I never will, my groups play 3.5E and 3.75E (pathfinder). I recently ended my campaign after running if for several years.
Looking forward to start something new in the near future. I am thinking of trying Alternity!
Looking forward to start something new in the near future. I am thinking of trying Alternity!
zen5887 said:
Okey, explain to me how a psionic breaks the game in any way that a wizard doesn't.JupiterBase said:
I'll give you that the erudite is equally as broken as a wizard (and cleric and druid) and a psion is about an equal to a sorcerer but the psionic warrior is a very well balanced class.
Fourth Ed is no more revolutionary than Third Ed was after years of playing Second Ed. Just because WotC is no longer supporting it clearly isn't stopping people from playing Third Ed any more than, say, the existence of Shadowrun or any other gaming format.
On topic, I'd say I see less reason for Psionics as DnD has moved casting further and further away from the old school "memorise your spells for the entire next 24 hours" system. Back in Second Ed, instant casting was a twinkle in the eye of crazy people - and wizards had to pay insane amounts of attention to stringing out the magic missiles. Third Ed reduced the pain quite a bit, particularly the addition of Sorcerer and later of Warlock.
I'm not quite sure where the need for casting flexibility is in a system which already allows you to constantly shoot off low level blasts. Give me a high level enchanter any day.
On topic, I'd say I see less reason for Psionics as DnD has moved casting further and further away from the old school "memorise your spells for the entire next 24 hours" system. Back in Second Ed, instant casting was a twinkle in the eye of crazy people - and wizards had to pay insane amounts of attention to stringing out the magic missiles. Third Ed reduced the pain quite a bit, particularly the addition of Sorcerer and later of Warlock.
I'm not quite sure where the need for casting flexibility is in a system which already allows you to constantly shoot off low level blasts. Give me a high level enchanter any day.
I play 4'th Ed, but I'm totally uninterested in Player's Handbook 3 at this time (or most of the supplements my friend is trying to shove upon me). I don't get enough game time in to play the character I'm running now, I really don't care to reroll or such.
Frankly, the speed that things are coming out annoys me slightly, because that same friend is also the DM and keeps wanting to try this new stuff. Result is scrapped characters and new campaigns because someone wants something new. I moderately annoyed by scrapping two previous characters, I don't want to toss another one in search of something newer or shinier.
Also, there are a LOT of edition haters on the Escapist. I've seen more people throwing out insults about 4e than I have fans of it, and waaaay more just saying they're 3.5/3/some other D20 game fans. I think it'd almost be worth starting a usergroup for 4e than it would be continuing threads.
If there's already a usergroup, invite me please.
Frankly, the speed that things are coming out annoys me slightly, because that same friend is also the DM and keeps wanting to try this new stuff. Result is scrapped characters and new campaigns because someone wants something new. I moderately annoyed by scrapping two previous characters, I don't want to toss another one in search of something newer or shinier.
Also, there are a LOT of edition haters on the Escapist. I've seen more people throwing out insults about 4e than I have fans of it, and waaaay more just saying they're 3.5/3/some other D20 game fans. I think it'd almost be worth starting a usergroup for 4e than it would be continuing threads.
If there's already a usergroup, invite me please.
Psionics have been broken since 2nd edition.
Many years back, an article in an old D&D magazine said the rules aren't set in stone, they are more guidelines. If there is something you don't like then as the DM you can disallow it. The rule of the game is Fun.
Many years back, an article in an old D&D magazine said the rules aren't set in stone, they are more guidelines. If there is something you don't like then as the DM you can disallow it. The rule of the game is Fun.
i played in 3.5 and was a lvl 40 wizard... and seriously.. i dont know how overpowered i am... but i can kill orcus from the 4.0 creatures manualInarticulate_Underachiever said:
seriously? why bother with 4.0?
because wizards of the coast decided to overhaul all of their games and books around this time (look up the new rules of Magic the gathering... its so dumb) and they started with their flagship; D&D and i ahve to say that 3.5 was the best i've ever played and Neverwinter Nights was also really REALLY good.Inarticulate_Underachiever said:
