Calling all TES lore-masters/lore-fans...

[Jamie McLaughlin]

I've been into the lore for years now, but here's some questions.

What's your opinion on the Akatosh/Alduin connection?

After what has supposedly happen to Vvardenfell, do you think Black Marsh will ever be a viable main game environment?

And how the hell will Shivering Isles will affect the lore?

Do you think Tosh Raka will/should be included in Skyrim?

Just asking for opinions.

 

[Freaky Lou]

Somebody tell me how to hide spoilers and I will edit this into an on-topic reply.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Ok, just off the top of my head:

Alduin is the Nordic version of Akatosh, just as Al-Kosh is the Khajiiti version of Akatosh. Different names and creation myths for the same mystical being.

Black Marsh is endless swamps ridden with disease, and would as such make a very monotonous gaming environment. Elswyr would be better suited from a landscape situation, as we have documented evidence of jungle, forest, plains, hills, mountains and low lying coastal areas. Not to mention the three or four different sub-species of Khajiit that have, so far, been unexplored by TES games.

The events of the Shivering Isles will not affect anything on the mortal plane, as it took place in Sheogorath's realm of Oblivion.

Tosh Raka, the Emperor Dragon of Akavir, has already been quoted saying that as soon as the Tsaesci have been wiped out he will invade Tamriel, so I'm guessing that Skyrim's plot of dragons invading Tamriel will involve him intimately.

 

[Lt. Vinciti]

I used the wikia to sort of cheat...

1. Alduin is the Nordic variation of Akatosh, and only superficially resembles his counterpart in the Eight Divines. For example, Alduin's sobriquet, 'the world eater', comes from myths that depict him as the horrible, ravaging firestorm that destroyed the last world to begin this one. Nords therefore see the god of time as both creator and harbinger of the apocalypse. He is not the chief of the Nordic pantheon (in fact, that pantheon has no chief; see Shor) but its wellspring, albeit a grim and frightening one.

So...in the NORDIC view...he is both the Start and End but not really their god persay

2. In the absence of Vivec, the Ministry of Truth became unstable. The Dunmer Vuhon created a device known as The Ingenium that kept the Ministry of Truth floating over the city of Vivec by consuming souls. While only undesirables and criminals were originally used, eventually it used souls which could continue to feed the Ingenium without causing immediate death. When the Dunmer woman Ilzheven was taken to power the machine, her former lover Sul rescued her from the machine. This caused the Ministry of Truth to crash into the city of Vivec, which led to Red Mountain erupting. The eruption led to most of the island being covered in ash, leading to a mass exodus to the nearby island of Solstheim.

I take the Lord of Souls books? I do wonder what happened would like to see Morrowind and such now that Red Mountain blew up...and with Vivec missing... Also I wish to see a statue/shrine to St.Jiub

It appears to be one of the few areas not explored by X race
Cyrodiil, Morrowind (of Vvardenfall), Skyrim, Hammerfall, High Rock


3.I take it you are refering to Jyggalag and the Greymarch of the Shivering Isles? I too wonder what that will entail...is he canon? Will he be worshipped and added to lore?

4. I actually had to look him up...Its possible as a hint of Elder Scrolls VI? I mean the Nerevarine is mentioned to have gone there and maybe with the events of Skyrim the dragons make a come back to Elder Scrolls storyline

I wonder if Atmora will be a DLC for Skyrim

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

What's your opinion on the Akatosh/Alduin connection?

The world eater Alduin is seen as both the creator and destroyer by the Nords. The only connection Alduin has to the 8 divines counterpart Akatosh is the religion's interpretation of the god.

After what has supposedly happen to Vvardenfell, do you think Black Marsh will ever be a viable main game environment?

I suppose, before Skyrim was announced I questioned how the region could have any diversity in its landscape, but seeing Skyrim now has taught me otherwise. Though Black Marsh is supposedly all swamplands, I would like to see what Bethesda can do with it.

And how the hell will Shivering Isles will affect the lore?

The events of Shivering Isles had no effects on Nirn. "Sheogorath", The Mad god is still in power, how ever, he/she is not the same "person" as in previous Elder Scrolls anymore.

Do you think Tosh Raka will/should be included in Skyrim?

No, his sights are set on Akavir, not Skyrim. Though he is now a dragon, I highly doubt he has anything to do with Great Alduin's return.

 

[Jamie McLaughlin]

Ok, just off the top of my head:

Alduin is the Nordic version of Akatosh, just as Al-Kosh is the Khajiiti version of Akatosh. Different names and creation myths for the same mystical being.

Black Marsh is endless swamps ridden with disease, and would as such make a very monotonous gaming environment. Elswyr would be better suited from a landscape situation, as we have documented evidence of jungle, forest, plains, hills, mountains and low lying coastal areas. Not to mention the three or four different sub-species of Khajiit that have, so far, been unexplored by TES games.

The events of the Shivering Isles will not affect anything on the mortal plane, as it took place in Sheogorath's realm of Oblivion.

Tosh Raka, the Emperor Dragon of Akavir, has already been quoted saying that as soon as the Tsaesci have been wiped out he will invade Tamriel, so I'm guessing that Skyrim's plot of dragons invading Tamriel will involve him intimately.

Well, yeah @ almost everything you said. I'm mostly just asking for opinions. However...

You also think that Tosh Raka is a main part of the plot-line? He's been reported to invade Tamrial for some time now, too. It's kind of blowing my mind that so many people have been agreeing with me.

The Tsaesci actually hate Talos, as well... I'm just really pumped to see what happens next, I suppose.

 

[Jamie McLaughlin]

What's your opinion on the Akatosh/Alduin connection?

The world eater Alduin is seen as both the creator and destroyer by the Nords. The only connection Alduin has to the 8 divines counterpart Akatosh is the religion's interpretation of the god.

After what has supposedly happen to Vvardenfell, do you think Black Marsh will ever be a viable main game environment?

I suppose, before Skyrim was announced I questioned how the region could have any diversity in its landscape, but seeing Skyrim now has taught me otherwise. Though Black Marsh is supposedly all swamplands, I would like to see what Bethesda can do with it.

And how the hell will Shivering Isles will affect the lore?

The events of Shivering Isles had no effects on Nirn. "Sheogorath", The Mad god is still in power, how ever, he/she is not the same "person" as in previous Elder Scrolls anymore.

Do you think Tosh Raka will/should be included in Skyrim?

No, his sights are set on Akavir, not Skyrim. Though he is now a dragon, I highly doubt he has anything to do with Great Alduin's return.

I call lies. >:

"Tosh Raka was a King of Ka Po' Tun (or the "Tiger-Dragon Empire"), believed to have ruled some time towards the end of the Third Era. Through unknown methods, the King transformed himself into a Dragon. As of the moment, King Tosh Raka plans to conquer Akavir, and then set his sights on Tamriel."

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

>snip<

Well, yeah @ almost everything you said. I'm mostly just asking for opinions. However...

You also think that Tosh Raka is a main part of the plot-line? He's been reported to invade Tamrial for some time now, too. It's kind of blowing my mind that so many people have been agreeing with me.

The Tsaesci actually hate Talos, as well... I'm just really pumped to see what happens next, I suppose.

I reckon the Tsaesci have been wiped out by now. Tosh Raka's goals were (as recorded in Mysterious Akavir) to wipe out the Tsaesci, but that account was written before the events of Morrowind, and Skyrim happens (apparently) 200 years after the events of Oblivion. I reckon it's taken Tosh Raka these two centuries to subdue the snake-people and now he has time and leisure to turn his attentions to Tamriel. As the Tamrielic landmass closest to Akavir, Skyrim is the most logical point of invasion.

 

[Jamie McLaughlin]

>snip<

Well, yeah @ almost everything you said. I'm mostly just asking for opinions. However...

You also think that Tosh Raka is a main part of the plot-line? He's been reported to invade Tamrial for some time now, too. It's kind of blowing my mind that so many people have been agreeing with me.

The Tsaesci actually hate Talos, as well... I'm just really pumped to see what happens next, I suppose.

I reckon the Tsaesci have been wiped out by now. Tosh Raka's goals were (as recorded in Mysterious Akavir) to wipe out the Tsaesci, but that account was written before the events of Morrowind, and Skyrim happens (apparently) 200 years after the events of Oblivion. I reckon it's taken Tosh Raka these two centuries to subdue the snake-people and now he has time and leisure to turn his attentions to Tamriel. As the Tamrielic landmass closest to Akavir, Skyrim is the most logical point of invasion.

You may be completely misunderstanding me, because I completely agree. After he's done with the Akavir, he's all about Tamriel. That's exactly what I'm saying.

He's gonna try and screw the fuck outta Skyrim.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

>snip<

Well, yeah @ almost everything you said. I'm mostly just asking for opinions. However...

You also think that Tosh Raka is a main part of the plot-line? He's been reported to invade Tamrial for some time now, too. It's kind of blowing my mind that so many people have been agreeing with me.

The Tsaesci actually hate Talos, as well... I'm just really pumped to see what happens next, I suppose.

I reckon the Tsaesci have been wiped out by now. Tosh Raka's goals were (as recorded in Mysterious Akavir) to wipe out the Tsaesci, but that account was written before the events of Morrowind, and Skyrim happens (apparently) 200 years after the events of Oblivion. I reckon it's taken Tosh Raka these two centuries to subdue the snake-people and now he has time and leisure to turn his attentions to Tamriel. As the Tamrielic landmass closest to Akavir, Skyrim is the most logical point of invasion.

You may be completely misunderstanding me, because I completely agree. After he's done with the Akavir, he's all about Tamriel. That's exactly what I'm saying.

He's gonna try and screw the fuck outta Skyrim.

Nah, I didn't misunderstand you, fella. You asked if I thought Tosh Raka is part of Skyrim's main plot, and rather than just say "Yeah" I thought I'd elaborate and go into why I think that, that's all.

 

[The_ModeRazor]

Jyggalag will Greymarch the shit out of Tamriel. And probably the rest of Nirn for that matter. He got cursed into becoming Sheogorath because the other Daeadra were so scare of his ambition and competence. Then something happens maybe. Another Warp or some such shit.

 

[Jamie McLaughlin]

>snip<

Well, yeah @ almost everything you said. I'm mostly just asking for opinions. However...

You also think that Tosh Raka is a main part of the plot-line? He's been reported to invade Tamrial for some time now, too. It's kind of blowing my mind that so many people have been agreeing with me.

The Tsaesci actually hate Talos, as well... I'm just really pumped to see what happens next, I suppose.

I reckon the Tsaesci have been wiped out by now. Tosh Raka's goals were (as recorded in Mysterious Akavir) to wipe out the Tsaesci, but that account was written before the events of Morrowind, and Skyrim happens (apparently) 200 years after the events of Oblivion. I reckon it's taken Tosh Raka these two centuries to subdue the snake-people and now he has time and leisure to turn his attentions to Tamriel. As the Tamrielic landmass closest to Akavir, Skyrim is the most logical point of invasion.

You may be completely misunderstanding me, because I completely agree. After he's done with the Akavir, he's all about Tamriel. That's exactly what I'm saying.

He's gonna try and screw the fuck outta Skyrim.

Nah, I didn't misunderstand you, fella. You asked if I thought Tosh Raka is part of Skyrim's main plot, and rather than just say "Yeah" I thought I'd elaborate and go into why I think that, that's all.

Makes more sense now. I'm the dick in this convo

But yes, I basically completely agree. I'm just overly pumped, I suppose.

Not to mention the lack of knowledge when it comes to Tosh...

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

snip

I call lies. >:

"Tosh Raka was a King of Ka Po' Tun (or the "Tiger-Dragon Empire"), believed to have ruled some time towards the end of the Third Era. Through unknown methods, the King transformed himself into a Dragon. As of the moment, King Tosh Raka plans to conquer Akavir, and then set his sights on Tamriel."

Sigh, You are asking for opinions. I gave you mine. As far as I see it, the Dragon threat in Skyrim is focused around Alduin. Unless he is an unforeseen plot device/twist, I see no reason why Tosh Raka should be in Skyrim. Thats my opinion based on current knowledge of the game and not just a copy paste job from UESP: Lore.

 

[Jamie McLaughlin]

snip

I call lies. >:

"Tosh Raka was a King of Ka Po' Tun (or the "Tiger-Dragon Empire"), believed to have ruled some time towards the end of the Third Era. Through unknown methods, the King transformed himself into a Dragon. As of the moment, King Tosh Raka plans to conquer Akavir, and then set his sights on Tamriel."

Sigh, You are asking for opinions. I gave you mine. As far as I see it, the Dragon threat in Skyrim is focused around Alduin. Unless he is an unforeseen plot device/twist, I see no reason why Tosh Raka should be in Skyrim. Thats my opinion based on current knowledge of the game and not just a copy paste job from UESP: Lore.

Imperial Library And yeah, I get it. I put my actual quote in a different post. I think I fixed it.

Sorry about that, good sir.