camping, am i the only one that has a real problem with campers?
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Flares/flashbangs usually have the effect of making an enemy hide until the flash goes away. (Because it's hard to run if you can't see where you're going.) And you don't want them to hide, you want to STOP them from hiding. So throw something that makes them move their butts, not something that makes them stand still.
I hate campers. Its boring and they arn't fun to paly with at all. There just fixed in one spot all of the time. Especially on COD4 when people take refuge in that little house upstairs.
Just be careful when you go around, if you know where one is just use a frag grenade or something to flush them out or kill them.
Spawn campers are the worst. Just kill you the second you respawn and its really annoying.
Just be careful when you go around, if you know where one is just use a frag grenade or something to flush them out or kill them.
Spawn campers are the worst. Just kill you the second you respawn and its really annoying.
spawn camping in the two newer call of dutys (?) is actually hard because there is no set spawn area, but, if you play the game constantly and have no actual social life, you figure out where the spawn areas are, or if you play halo, just use the forge and memory
Ugh. When you kids grow up to be big boys you'll be able to wrap your head around some basic strategy, and learn that running blindly into combat bunny-hopping isn't the best way to take an objective.
God forbid you slow down and actually you know... think and use your head.
I prefer to excel at FPS's by using my head to outwit and outsmart my opponents, not to boil it down to some arbitrary reflex test and game of chance.
It's simple matter of taste really, you want to mash the attack button until whatever is in front of you dies.
And I prefer to stay alive, and watch you die.... repeatedly... because of your own stubbornness and sheer determined retardation to run out shooting from the hip at whatever moves.
If you really can't find a way to deal with someone sniping at you, you shouldn't be playing FPS's... or you should only play single player and turn the AI down to 'Easy', so the AI is predictable and will only engage in pitched suicide battles.
Same goes for anyone who complains about respawn timers in any FPS.
The simple solution is to use your brain a little bit and not die.
Or, again - play single player, it's more your skill level.
God forbid you slow down and actually you know... think and use your head.
I prefer to excel at FPS's by using my head to outwit and outsmart my opponents, not to boil it down to some arbitrary reflex test and game of chance.
It's simple matter of taste really, you want to mash the attack button until whatever is in front of you dies.
And I prefer to stay alive, and watch you die.... repeatedly... because of your own stubbornness and sheer determined retardation to run out shooting from the hip at whatever moves.
If you really can't find a way to deal with someone sniping at you, you shouldn't be playing FPS's... or you should only play single player and turn the AI down to 'Easy', so the AI is predictable and will only engage in pitched suicide battles.
Same goes for anyone who complains about respawn timers in any FPS.
The simple solution is to use your brain a little bit and not die.
Or, again - play single player, it's more your skill level.
The problem is not one of players. Players will always be douchebags. That's the whole point of multiplayer after all, that you get to act like a jerk to real people instead of to emotionless bots, isn't it?
The problem is one of the game itself. A game should ideally be designed so that camping and staying in one place all the time is a really bad idea. Defending an area, ambushing someone, or something like that should be a viable tactic, but that would be because of either the importance of the area, or the surprise of the attack. Someone sitting still in the same place all the time would be pretty easy to pick off in any close to believable situation (or at least easy to avoid if in a really secure location, like a bunker, or something), and weapons would be avaviable for getting the person out. A game should offer those same options. Simple as.
Bonsaik, you miss one point. Language, especially slang is always evolving. It's always changing. Sure, in Doom that's what camping meant. Nowadays it means something else. Just like the word frag.
Going on a rant like that, about such a subject only makes you look arrogant, and a bit full of yourself. And like a bit of a jerk too, especially when you're wrong. No offence, but I'd advice to try to keep a more level and relevant discussion, and check your facts. If everyone but you has a different opinion on what a word means, then perhaps, just perhaps, you are actually the one that is wrong, and perhaps, just perhaps, it would be better to reevaluate your own opinion, especially when it concerns definitions, as to facilitate communications.
The problem is one of the game itself. A game should ideally be designed so that camping and staying in one place all the time is a really bad idea. Defending an area, ambushing someone, or something like that should be a viable tactic, but that would be because of either the importance of the area, or the surprise of the attack. Someone sitting still in the same place all the time would be pretty easy to pick off in any close to believable situation (or at least easy to avoid if in a really secure location, like a bunker, or something), and weapons would be avaviable for getting the person out. A game should offer those same options. Simple as.
Bonsaik, you miss one point. Language, especially slang is always evolving. It's always changing. Sure, in Doom that's what camping meant. Nowadays it means something else. Just like the word frag.
Going on a rant like that, about such a subject only makes you look arrogant, and a bit full of yourself. And like a bit of a jerk too, especially when you're wrong. No offence, but I'd advice to try to keep a more level and relevant discussion, and check your facts. If everyone but you has a different opinion on what a word means, then perhaps, just perhaps, you are actually the one that is wrong, and perhaps, just perhaps, it would be better to reevaluate your own opinion, especially when it concerns definitions, as to facilitate communications.
This is really the heart of the matter, and I think in CoD 4 at least it's not a huge problem. First of all, with the kill cam you can see where the guy was, so you can just avoid that area or go back knowing where he is before he can get you. He might surprise your team a few times, but after a while people should be able to play a map and know the common camping areas and look out from them. Finally, grenades help.. and even against a camper, if they miss their first shots, you're moving around and they're standing still, so you can have a decent chance against them.Valiance said:
I guess reality is poorly designed, huh?Valiance said:
Camping is effective, sensible and not unbreakable to anyone with half a brain. It's another move in a cloud of moves, each one counterable and each one avaliable for everyone. It's not like you cant pull a cheap tactic, you're all on the same board with the same pieces.
Now i'm going back to my RTS's, where we know a thing or two about real cheap tactics.
Tyranids are just a whole new way to Zerg rush, baby, and i thought they were fun on the tabletop!
I'll add my voice to others here. Anything, and I mean anything that is in the game is a valid use. It's like the people who ***** about making kills with rocket launchers and shotguns. If it's in the game, it's a valid weapon. Same as the people who rail against typekillers. If you want to play, play. If you want to stand there and chat you have three options: find a corner to hide in, get out of the game and go on Messenger, or accept the fact that you're a target and take your death like a man, not like a whiny little punk.
Same goes for camping. It's part of the game. If you keep getting killed by a camper then either figure out a way to get him, or stay away from there. Don't keep running up the same hall and then turning into (to borrow a moniker from Penny Arcade) a "warbling chattybitch" when you get killed. Launch a rocket or a grenade into his hidey-hole. Wait until someone else runs by and shoot the camper when he pokes his head out. This is what makes online gaming so fun; the chance to test your strategy and skill against other gamers instead of bots. Just don't get all whiney when someone else doesn't play the game "they way you think it should be played." (That's just a short step up from "well if I can't be goalie then I'm taking my soccer ball and going home.")
Spawn camping is something else, though. Especially in games with one fixed spawn point. You spawn with a dinky little pistol and always facing in one direction. A spawn camper sits behind you with a loaded rocket launcher and there's not even the chance for a decent contest. As far as I'm concerned, that's just plain junk.
Same goes for camping. It's part of the game. If you keep getting killed by a camper then either figure out a way to get him, or stay away from there. Don't keep running up the same hall and then turning into (to borrow a moniker from Penny Arcade) a "warbling chattybitch" when you get killed. Launch a rocket or a grenade into his hidey-hole. Wait until someone else runs by and shoot the camper when he pokes his head out. This is what makes online gaming so fun; the chance to test your strategy and skill against other gamers instead of bots. Just don't get all whiney when someone else doesn't play the game "they way you think it should be played." (That's just a short step up from "well if I can't be goalie then I'm taking my soccer ball and going home.")
Spawn camping is something else, though. Especially in games with one fixed spawn point. You spawn with a dinky little pistol and always facing in one direction. A spawn camper sits behind you with a loaded rocket launcher and there's not even the chance for a decent contest. As far as I'm concerned, that's just plain junk.
Exactly.guardian001 said:
I make it my personal duty when someone in a game starts camping to be the anti-camper brigade. All it takes is one sniper rifle and/or gernade, and I can break even the most stubborn of campers (or make them leave, since most of the time they can't stand to be pro-actively singled out in a game to the point it's not fun for them but fun for me).
That's when the game design is bunk, not the game. Like you said, any strategy is legitimate, but situations like that are just plain evil on behalf of the developers. I don't blame the people who do it, but i do sneer at the game for giving them the opportunity.Vorocano said:
You shouldn't get to fed up with it because there's not much you can do about it really. Just throw a grenade at the camper most of the time they're in a spot where they can't leave easely so that ought to kill them.
Campers aren't much of a big issue.
They are too easy to defeat and in games like TF2 camping just simply has too little of an advantage.
I often run in to camping Pyros just waiting for someone to show up around the corner.
They always seem to forget that Pyros have quite weak damage in comparison to the Heavy Assault Classes (Soldier/Demoman/Heavy) and 90% of the cases I always end up killing them and getting help from a medic/healthpack before I burn up.
In games like Call of Duty, grenades are preferable for flushing campers out or just killing them without knowing what hit them. It's really that easy.
However then you will have to deal with them calling you a cheater, hacker and all that sort of thing just because you exposed their lame "tactic" for the 10th time...
They are too easy to defeat and in games like TF2 camping just simply has too little of an advantage.
I often run in to camping Pyros just waiting for someone to show up around the corner.
They always seem to forget that Pyros have quite weak damage in comparison to the Heavy Assault Classes (Soldier/Demoman/Heavy) and 90% of the cases I always end up killing them and getting help from a medic/healthpack before I burn up.
In games like Call of Duty, grenades are preferable for flushing campers out or just killing them without knowing what hit them. It's really that easy.
However then you will have to deal with them calling you a cheater, hacker and all that sort of thing just because you exposed their lame "tactic" for the 10th time...
I don't like playing against campers either. But, as somebody already said in this thread, if you know how to beat them it shouldn't be an issue. Call Of Duty:World At War makes it easy to do this anyway. The killcam shows you where they were sitting. So you should be able to get back to them and take your kill before they even know you're there again.
I find most campers are people who are not good enough to play the game how it's supposed to be played. So a good player should be able to change their strategy to compensate for the campers.
I will say that certain game modes like Search and Destroy and domination require a certain amount of camping anyway. But again, there is defending and there is camping. The two are not the same.
I find most campers are people who are not good enough to play the game how it's supposed to be played. So a good player should be able to change their strategy to compensate for the campers.
I will say that certain game modes like Search and Destroy and domination require a certain amount of camping anyway. But again, there is defending and there is camping. The two are not the same.
