camping, am i the only one that has a real problem with campers?

[Fizzlewinks]

Ugh. When you kids grow up to be big boys you'll be able to wrap your head around some basic strategy, and learn that running blindly into combat bunny-hopping isn't the best way to take an objective.

God forbid you slow down and actually you know... think and use your head.

I prefer to excel at FPS's by using my head to outwit and outsmart my opponents, not to boil it down to some arbitrary reflex test and game of chance.
It's simple matter of taste really, you want to mash the attack button until whatever is in front of you dies.

And I prefer to stay alive, and watch you die.... repeatedly... because of your own stubbornness and sheer determined retardation to run out shooting from the hip at whatever moves.

If you really can't find a way to deal with someone sniping at you, you shouldn't be playing FPS's... or you should only play single player and turn the AI down to 'Easy', so the AI is predictable and will only engage in pitched suicide battles.


Same goes for anyone who complains about respawn timers in any FPS.

The simple solution is to use your brain a little bit and not die.

Or, again - play single player, it's more your skill level.

Spoken like a true camper.

 

[stompythebeast]

Ugh. When you kids grow up to be big boys you'll be able to wrap your head around some basic strategy, and learn that running blindly into combat bunny-hopping isn't the best way to take an objective.

God forbid you slow down and actually you know... think and use your head.

I prefer to excel at FPS's by using my head to outwit and outsmart my opponents, not to boil it down to some arbitrary reflex test and game of chance.
It's simple matter of taste really, you want to mash the attack button until whatever is in front of you dies.

And I prefer to stay alive, and watch you die.... repeatedly... because of your own stubbornness and sheer determined retardation to run out shooting from the hip at whatever moves.

If you really can't find a way to deal with someone sniping at you, you shouldn't be playing FPS's... or you should only play single player and turn the AI down to 'Easy', so the AI is predictable and will only engage in pitched suicide battles.


Same goes for anyone who complains about respawn timers in any FPS.

The simple solution is to use your brain a little bit and not die.

Or, again - play single player, it's more your skill level.

Spoken like a true camper.

Spoken like a pro.

 

[Uszi]

Camping in a game like counter strike or GoW, where everyone has to wait for the round to end, is lame.

Camping in COD or Halo or any constant spawning game is acceptable, since they're generally only hurting themselves by not actively killing people. The person with the top score is rarely someone sitting behind some crates.

In COD well organized teams will often set up shop in a single area on the map, and pwn. I'm more inclined to consider this strategy than cheapness.

And if you don't camp in FFA in COD, you're silly.

 

[Fizzlewinks]

The only time I disagree with camping is when it is in a glitch. Such as under the map, outside the map, onto of building your normally can't get on. So I guess you could say I hate glitchers more than I hate campers.

 

[Wargamer]

Yeah, I'm putting Africanswallow in the 'Camper' territory, not the 'Pro' territory.

Players with skill don't camp. The reason being that it takes skill to pick people off and keep moving. It takes no skill whatsoever to sit behind a one-way Invincibility Forcefield with a Farsight spawning underneath you every thirty seconds.

 

[keyton777]

Camping in a game like counter strike or GoW, where everyone has to wait for the round to end, is lame.

Camping in COD or Halo or any constant spawning game is acceptable, since they're generally only hurting themselves by not actively killing people. The person with the top score is rarely someone sitting behind some crates.

In COD well organized teams will often set up shop in a single area on the map, and pwn. I'm more inclined to consider this strategy than cheapness.

And if you don't camp in FFA in COD, you're silly.

how?
i dont camp and i usually get the most points just by going out and killing the people that are doing the same thing i am
and which game type are you playing? normal teamdeath match?

 

[keyton777]

The only time I disagree with camping is when it is in a glitch. Such as under the map, outside the map, onto of building your normally can't get on. So I guess you could say I hate glitchers more than I hate campers.

glitches are for little kids that think they are the **** and those odd pathetic guys that think they are god

in short, glitches make you a huge target and useing one really is a bad strataegy (crap i cant spell today) and you should go back to boot camp

 

[pieeater911]

I find campers extremely aggravating, but the fun thing about them is that they love to camp in the exact same spot for the entire match. So every time I run by that spot I chuck a few grenades there, wait for them to blow up, rinse and repeat.

 

[Sewblon]

I love camping. In FPSs not in real life, Its the only tactic that I don't suck at.

 

[ManiacRaccoon]

I mainly play servers on tf2 that ban campers, because it takes so much of the fun out of the game.

So... they ban everyone who plays as an engineer? Because that's pretty much what they do after they build stuff.

Anyway I stick with the "It's a legitimate strategy!" argument. The reason it can be called a strategy is that there is a way (or are ways) to counteract it. The zombie maps in Halo 3 are basically built for camping, because if you run around in the open firing your small gun during a zombie apocalypse then you deserve to have your brains eaten, but somehow people who play as zombies still complain about the camping. Some cases of spawn camping are evident too but when the map is built as a spiral stair case with gun emplacements pointing at the zombie spawn and you willingly play it it is your own fault. I used to complain about such things before I thought about it and somethings have to be taken into account:

1- It's fun. C'mon, don't lie to yourself. Even if it's only occasionally, like when you have a bad day playing the game the regular way, you enjoy the session where you sit in that spot where no one can either see you or get to you without you being able to get them first. You may not even realize you were camping until afterward, it just seemed like the best strategy at the time, and it might have been.

2- Anyone can do it. Granted you have to have knowledge of a good spot to do it, but that can be gained by a nice person showing you, or you figuring out where the guy who is shooting you is and use the same spot later. In the aforementioned zombie Halo sessions, one thing that becomes clear is that there are usually very few spots which are easy to find and easy to use. And in these spots you will find people who are new or simply out of practice using turrets and rocket launchers so they can win for a change, and you will find people who are skilled, possibly too much so, and are either bored with normal games or want target practice. Yes there may be fewer in the latter category but they are there, they include myself on the aforementioned spiral map, when I use the provided sniper rifles to actually try and get headshots.

3 and possibly the most important thing people forget- It get's boring. That's right, despite what was said in point 1 it does have it's limits as entertainment. One can compare it to shooting fish in a barrel, and while anyone who has actually thought about or tried this would probably say it was fun at first, they would agree with the accepted use of that simile in that it is too easy and therefore eventually boring. With Halo 3 again, and not even only in zombie games, but also with spawn camping, one of the best ways to stop camping aside from finding out how to kill the person out of the spot is to let them have their fun. With patience you can resume your normal game faster than you think. If I am spawn-camped repeatedly I usually just stand still and wait for it next time I spawn, or sometimes look at my feet and jump in circles, I'm not attacking the spawn-killers unless they run or drive right up to me so they are in stickynade, sword, or melee range, so therefore I present no challenge at all and it makes it less fun for them to kill me before I can react. The last tactic has an additional bonus of hilarity with more curious spawn killers, if you stand absolutely still, some of them will try to get around and repeatedly assassinate you with a melee attack, and usually don't see it coming when you stab them in the face because they think you are in the bathroom or something.

4- They are not invincible. Every camping spot has some way of being made useless: some have more than one entrance, dividing the lone camper's attention or making them rely on teamwork, some spots are simply not secure enough to keep someone from bouncing a grenade around the corner, and if all else fails, there is strength in numbers. With the Halo 3 example again, being the zombie sucks on some maps, but eventually you get help and they can't shoot you all, causing the tides to turn, I don't hear anyone complain after that, unless the last man standing has a flamethrower and lasts a lot longer, and even they will eventually succumb to a coordinated zombie attack of 3 or more people.

If you don't like camping, fine, but don't yell at the rest of us who don't mind it or do it ourselves. Campers are annoying yes, but so is being shot in the face when you thought you shot first, it's just like any other way of being defeated in a game, but people call it unfair because they don't stop to think what to do about it. If that guy shoots you first, you might complain, but most people learn to aim better or find a weapon they can use more successfully so they can shoot him first next time. Try this next time, instead of complaining about the campers in your game or banning them, find a way to defeat them, and imagine the look on their face when you stick a grenade to their backside.

Also if you are the leader of a party or server who is camping, don't ban or kick someone for figuring out how to defeat you, that's just as bad as banning someone for camping.

Edit: I didn't read much before I typed this, maybe I just jumped at the chance to finally post what I thought about it, but a lot more people than I expected seem to say the same thing. I guess it was sort of presumptuous to think that everyone would be posting that camping is evil and unfair, but I don't hear much from people who say otherwise because they don't care enough to say they don't care. It's nice to know so many people still think this isn't a real problem.

On an slightly related note, I would just like to say that I absolutely despise the flashbangs in Counter-Strike: Source, I consider them an acceptable strategy and a great way to take out campers, but they actually hurt my eyes and leave me disoriented and very irritated after the light fades and even the game has decided I've had enough. I don't really like any game mechanic that manages to actually cause physical pain to the player, it just seems like a bad idea for a game you want them to continue playing, and it partially contributes to the reasons why I don't play the game anymore. This is also the only time I condone banning players for unpopular strategy because some servers don't have ammo restrictions on those. I can accept being put through that once because it's part of the game and I instinctively learned to look away when I heard a grenade bounce off the ground, but putting an unprepared person through that up to five times in a row is just rude and terrible. In some games every time I looked up another one went off. Having five guys equip one flashbang is pretty bad too, but at least they aren't defying the standard rules of the game.

Wow, that is both my longest post and longest edit rolled into one, even I didn't know I had this much to say about this.

 

[DodeTehLegend]

solution: martyrdom

Martyrdom is the gayest perk in Call Of Duty, and anyone that uses it should be forced to play Vampire Rain and 1000 it

 

[keyton777]

solution: martyrdom

Martyrdom is the gayest perk in Call Of Duty, and anyone that uses it should be forced to play Vampire Rain and 1000 it

i agree but only in the hardcore games, i mean it does pitiful amounts of damage for somereason in CoDWaW in normal team deathmatch, if you do use it, please do us alla favor and set ur self on fire, and no is really isnt a good soulution for campers, normally the camper is in the corner 50ft from the grenade

 

[joe_six]

I would like to make some points about camping as it is something which I find very annoying. Please bear in mind that my comments are related to the Free-for-all game mode as that is the mode I play most, and I find the majority of people playing that mode tend to camp.

Camping in this game mode is NOT AMBUSHING. An ambush requires that you have foreknowledge about your enemy's likely movements. If you are camping in a free-for-all game, you are trusting to random chance, i.e. there is no skill or strategy involved.

Campers are not playing the game as it was intended to be played, and in the way which provides the most enjoyment and challenge, because what they are doing, sitting and waiting for someone to come into view and shooting them, provides exactly the same level of sophistication, simulation and immersion as a monkey in a cage pressing a button when a light flashes. Where is the fun in that? It's truly pathetic.

Finally, if EVERYONE camped, there would be NO GAME! It is only because some players want the game to be fun and want to play it the way it was actually meant to be played that campers have anyone to shoot. If we all copped out and sat in our little hidey-holes waiting for easy kills then everyone would get exactly zero kills, wouldn't they, because nobody would actually be in the field of play to be shot at! Everyone would just sit there the whole game staring at nothing! It is not fair at all that people who want to play the game sincerely, i.e. to enjoy the thrill of battle, of stalking, of strategy, technique and skill, should be punished by those inadequate underachievers who are simply there to get a high score to gratify their selfish nature and conceal their inferiority. They ruin the game, 100%, and yes, I ALWAYS make a point of going back to the place they are camping and killing them, but just because they are killable it doesn't mean they aren't ruining the game.

 

[ManiacRaccoon]

For those of us who haven't played the Call of Duty game that it's in, what is Martyrdom?
(In the game I mean, I know what the word means and it sort of hints at what it is in the game, but I just want clarification, because you typed it with a capital M so I thought it might be different from the old strategy of "Pull the pin, hang onto the grenade and jump onto his head before it explodes, because you're just that mad at him for machine-gunning you one million times." At least that's what I did, and if you are going to tell me camping is a legitimate strategy but that isn't then you need to rethink your logic a bit.)

Camping in this game mode is NOT AMBUSHING. An ambush requires that you have foreknowledge about your enemy's likely movements. If you are camping in a free-for-all game, you are trusting to random chance, i.e. there is no skill or strategy involved.

Campers are not playing the game as it was intended to be played, and in the way which provides the most enjoyment and challenge, because what they are doing, sitting and waiting for someone to come into view and shooting them, provides exactly the same level of sophistication, simulation and immersion as a monkey in a cage pressing a button when a light flashes. Where is the fun in that? It's truly pathetic.

Finally, if EVERYONE camped, there would be NO GAME! It is only because some players want the game to be fun and want to play it the way it was actually meant to be played that campers have anyone to shoot. If we all copped out and sat in our little hidey-holes waiting for easy kills then everyone would get exactly zero kills, wouldn't they, because nobody would actually be in the field of play to be shot at! Everyone would just sit there the whole game staring at nothing! It is not fair at all that people who want to play the game sincerely, i.e. to enjoy the thrill of battle, of stalking, of strategy, technique and skill, should be punished by those inadequate underachievers who are simply there to get a high score to gratify their selfish nature and conceal their inferiority. They ruin the game, 100%, and yes, I ALWAYS make a point of going back to the place they are camping and killing them, but just because they are killable it doesn't mean they aren't ruining the game.

Firstly, camping in most FPSs still requires a tiny bit of strategy in that you have to hit your target. Having foreknowledge of your opponent is not required for sniping, because the assumption is that sooner or later someone will walk into view, since you can probably see a large piece of the map.

Secondly, having foreknowledge in a Free-for-All game is difficult if you don't know the player, if they are not themselves in the act of camping, or if the game is a Free-for-All deathmatch where the objective is to hunt down other players because they are looking for you so you only know where they are going to be if you just saw them chasing you or around the map which is basically random chance.

On a side note, your description of the differences between camping and ambushing actually justifies what I did to earn my multi-kill achievement in Halo 3, which was to get a beam rifle and hide somewhere where I could see most of the map, I knew someone was going to pass into my field of fire because it was an oddball game so they were focused on the oddball and not finding me. In that game, the person carrying the oddball ran straight at me because he wasn't looking for me, resulting in him being shot in the head. The same happened to the guy who was chasing him to get the oddball, and the next guy who picked it up and the guy chasing him, and someone who cam back and took the exact same route to the oddball, and another one who came over the hill and headed for it before I ran out of ammo and killed the last guy who grabbed the oddball and ran because he was so focused on getting away with the oddball that he didn't see me following him for 20 feet resulting in me hitting him on the back of the head. That's seven kills, six without moving because I knew where people were going, and I wasn't more than 30ft or so from any of them (maybe 35ft from the guy on the hill) because they weren't paying attention to me. I didn't win the game but I finally got that achievement, which had been frustratingly out of reach until then. I didn't really care about the manner in which I got it as long as it was fair, and according to you it was justifiable as not actually camping anyways. So thank you.

Thirdly if the game allows you to do it, it is part of the game, regardless of your opinion of how it was meant to be played. You didn't design it and clearly the developers had something else in mind.

Finally see my other large post about how camping gets boring. I can assure you if everyone camped, sooner or later everyone would get bored and run out, the first guy would get killed by campers most likely, but all the other campers would get bored too as long as the first guy doesn't mindlessly get himself shot by doing the same thing every time.

They aren't ruining the game, most of them will either whine just as much as you are doing after you figure out how to kill them, or they will laugh it off and figure out how to get you back. I would say that people who whine in games are really the ones who ruin it, but more often than not they just don't understand a feature of the game that got them killed, like me when I first started playing Halo, anyway there's always the mute button.

 

[boardman1000]

to maniac, martyrdom is a perk in the game that automatically drops a grenade AFTER you die. so if you lose the confrontation, your nade drops and goes off in about 3 seconds, enough time for him to run over your body and die from the ensuing explosion.


on XBL name's Raalph


to all campers,

hope you got a good deal on that tent and sleeping bag,
cause the last thing you'll see it the icon of my frag.
you sit and you shoot;
not to bad to boot,
but any old fool and hold his gun,
and taste that hot pocket he's munching on.
the name of the game is COD4,
or CS if you are quite poor,
and the idea is to run and gun,
not to sit and spoil the fun.
i turn a corner and there you are,
thinking to yourself, "im quite the star."

you get me once, maybe twice,
but trust me son, you'll pay the price.
i hunt you down, again and again,
blow off your head as you run like a hen.
you yell and you shout,
break a controller, there is no doubt.
trying to get me in your spot,
but there you are and i am not.
i turn the corner and there you are,
i see your gun, the B.A.R.
you unload your clip, every round
mid reload, i put you on the ground.
you may sit and you may stay,
but at the end of the day,
when all is said and done.
me, the runner, holds the smoking gun.

 

[ManiacRaccoon]

Ah I see now. That's also what happens when you shoot a guy running at you with a live grenade and assume he used his dying breath to disarm it. But the Martyrdom thing sounds like a cheapening extension of that aspect, if you are going to run at people with live grenades you should not be able to shoot at them to, and probably shouldn't try anyways, if blowing yourself up already works better. On bad days of Day of Defeat: Source, I didn't bother trying to shoot, because I knew I'd never get them in time, I just ran up and handed them the grenade.

Also you need to publish that poem somewhere boardman1000, it's awesome.

 

[keyton777]

to maniac, martyrdom is a perk in the game that automatically drops a grenade AFTER you die. so if you lose the confrontation, your nade drops and goes off in about 3 seconds, enough time for him to run over your body and die from the ensuing explosion.



to all campers,

hope you got a good deal on that tent and sleeping bag,
cause the last thing you'll see it the icon of my frag.
you sit and you shoot;
not to bad to boot,
but any old fool and hold his gun,
and taste that hot pocket he's munching on.
the name of the game is COD4,
or CS if you are quite poor,
and the idea is to run and gun,
not to sit and spoil the fun.
i turn a corner and there you are,
thinking to yourself, "im quite the star."

you get me once, maybe twice,
but trust me son, you'll pay the price.
i hunt you down, again and again,
blow off your head as you run like a hen.
you yell and you shout,
break a controller, there is no doubt.
trying to get me in your spot,
but there you are and i am not.
i turn the corner and there you are,
i see your gun, the B.A.R.
you unload your clip, every round
mid reload, i put you on the ground.
you may sit and you may stay,
but at the end of the day,
when all is said and done.
me, the runner, holds the smoking gun.

bravo, exellent

 

[Fizzlewinks]

Ugh. When you kids grow up to be big boys you'll be able to wrap your head around some basic strategy, and learn that running blindly into combat bunny-hopping isn't the best way to take an objective.

God forbid you slow down and actually you know... think and use your head.

I prefer to excel at FPS's by using my head to outwit and outsmart my opponents, not to boil it down to some arbitrary reflex test and game of chance.
It's simple matter of taste really, you want to mash the attack button until whatever is in front of you dies.

And I prefer to stay alive, and watch you die.... repeatedly... because of your own stubbornness and sheer determined retardation to run out shooting from the hip at whatever moves.

If you really can't find a way to deal with someone sniping at you, you shouldn't be playing FPS's... or you should only play single player and turn the AI down to 'Easy', so the AI is predictable and will only engage in pitched suicide battles.


Same goes for anyone who complains about respawn timers in any FPS.

The simple solution is to use your brain a little bit and not die.

Or, again - play single player, it's more your skill level.

Spoken like a true camper.

Spoken like a pro.

More like someone who's head is jammed so far up their own ass they're munching on last nights meatloaf.

If sitting in one spot waiting for someone to walk by you while boredom slowly eats away at your mind until you're forced to tear away at your own eyes with a rusty spoon makes you a pro...well, I'd rather be an amateur and run around aimlessly.

 

[keyton777]

Ugh. When you kids grow up to be big boys you'll be able to wrap your head around some basic strategy, and learn that running blindly into combat bunny-hopping isn't the best way to take an objective.

God forbid you slow down and actually you know... think and use your head.

I prefer to excel at FPS's by using my head to outwit and outsmart my opponents, not to boil it down to some arbitrary reflex test and game of chance.
It's simple matter of taste really, you want to mash the attack button until whatever is in front of you dies.

And I prefer to stay alive, and watch you die.... repeatedly... because of your own stubbornness and sheer determined retardation to run out shooting from the hip at whatever moves.

If you really can't find a way to deal with someone sniping at you, you shouldn't be playing FPS's... or you should only play single player and turn the AI down to 'Easy', so the AI is predictable and will only engage in pitched suicide battles.


Same goes for anyone who complains about respawn timers in any FPS.

The simple solution is to use your brain a little bit and not die.

Or, again - play single player, it's more your skill level.

Spoken like a true camper.

Spoken like a pro.

More like someone who's head is jammed so far up their own ass they're munching on last nights meatloaf.

If sitting in one spot waiting for someone to walk by you while boredom slowly eats away at your mind until you're forced to tear away at your own eyes with a rusty spoon makes you a pro...well, I'd rather be an amateur and run around aimlessly.

oh my god, you guys are tearing him a new one!

(keep going!)