can history make you dislike certain groups?

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Human civilisation is based around committing genocide until the older, more peaceful groups die out horribly.

I don't hold atrocities against a certain race. That's ridiculous. I hold it against the people who committed then, regardless of national affiliation.
 

Internet Kraken

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You're being to sensitive.

Germans haven't done anything to you. Germans may have done things to your family in the past but they haven't done anything to you. Should I hate the French just because my ancestors are German? Of course not.
 

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Wounded Melody said:
I've never been a person who discriminated or hated certain groups of people.
However, I am watching a documentary about the atrocities committed in Poland by the Germans and Russians during WW2 and I am getting so sick I'm about to shut it off. My whole family is Polish.
I wouldn't say that I blame the current Russian/German generations for the past, nor would I go around hating any Russian or Germans, but I also can't see myself booking a trip to either place or even having any interest in anything German or Russian from now on (I didn't realize the extent of the horrors committed). The same thing happened to me when I found out about Japan's war crimes--I wasn't so keen on a trip to Japan after that.
Am I just being too sensitive? I really just can't stand such awfulness, even if it was in the past...
Yes you are and stop thinking of a nation like that, so they commited attrocities big freaking deal do you have any idea how many attrocities the British empire commited? Besides for the 30'000 people in indea that were massacred by britain during the mutiny, slavery, slave torture, deportation of criminals to austrailia. Stalin caused a famine which killed 10 million russians the British empire killed 26.5 million in india due to famine.

Do I feel ashamed to be on this island or of the events my ancestors caused? No not atall for the same reason I dont feel guilty because religions tell me to. I have nothing to fucking do with it, so what some people a hundred years ago were arseholes and im expected to feel bad? Not a chance thats like being billed for what you din't order. And Poland isnt free of evil either no country is dreg through the history of anywhere you find war, slavery, racism, bigotry, famine. Countries are just seperation lines for greedy corrupt humans to motivate our own ideals and try to get ahead of others in societies.
 

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Being an Atheist has certainly tainted the respect I once held for some civilizations past while at the same time garnered a certain respect for current ones. I'm not going to list any on either side because this is as far as I wish to think it through.
 

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I dont hate people for their history

unless its the french

and that's not a race its a country
 

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quiet_samurai said:
Almost every single culture, govenrment, ruling body; whatever, has comitted some sort of atrocity in it's past to someone weaker then themselves, ALL OF THEM.

Except for maybe Canada cause they are panseys, but they have lumberjacks so that's cool.
Actually, Canada has to be held responsible for WW2 Japanese internment camps and general treatment of the native population, which international law would define as genocide (best example: residential schools, which were still being built in 1958 and being rebuilt as late as 1974; the last one didn't close until 1996).
 

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Trist66 said:
I can't say I don't feel a little contempt for Germany. But I don't hate them by any means. I don't hate any group of people.


Except the French.
JWAN said:
I dont hate people for their history

unless its the french

and that's not a race its a country
Why all the hate on France?
 

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Flying-Emu said:
berethond said:
No, there's nothing wrong with you.
I dislike the Americans, for their attempted genocide of the Native Americans.
I just happen to live here.
Well, actually, at least 60% of that happened before we were "America" as a nation. So really, you should almost be blaming the Spanish and English.

Since, you know. Cortez only wiped out an entire civilization in a matter of hours.

Jerious1154 said:
Pretty much every civilization in history has committed atrocities at some point in their history, you can't hold it against them in the present.
What about the Athenians? They were just a bunch of pansy-sniffing philosophers.
And gay.

Not to be homophobic, but figured I would point that out.

How did they have the largest (or second largest, can't remember) city in Greece when most of their men were gay? The guys who weren't must have been awfully busy...

Edit: Double Posted... woops
 

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Glerken said:
Trist66 said:
I can't say I don't feel a little contempt for Germany. But I don't hate them by any means. I don't hate any group of people.


Except the French.
JWAN said:
I dont hate people for their history

unless its the french

and that's not a race its a country
Why all the hate on France?
They disowned my family because we were not from Paris and therefore not French, also when we landed in North Africa they shot at us before the Germans did, also they ***** at my country whenever they get a chance so I like to give a little back and watch them squirm.

I got enough I can go on, but its finals and I need to finish my paper
 

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History taught me not to like the Puritans.


Present day teaches me that their descendants are just as fucking "Speshul"
 

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history sometimes causes more trouble than its worth. i love history mind you, but i often times find myself stoping in mid thought and having to force myself to relize that what looks so obvious in hind sight through the TV screen or a Book isnt at ALL what was obvious to the people who lived during those times.

we look back now and say this 'evil germans' but we didnt live IN germany pre/during/post world wars so we cant ever REALLY know what drove them. we cant look back and say America was a nation of heros because we cant really know what drove our OWN people. sure those WWII vets are treated with the full brunt of civic pride we give to all of our military but how many of them were at the TIME they served real heros? or rather is it that time/history has made them so?

100 years from now how will 'history' view US? what will be obvious to the future generations that we cant see now?

add this to the fact that most average people wouldnt know real history if it bit them in the ass than as i said before its often more trouble than its worth. better too have NO information than the WRONG information.

the person above that said Poland was weak and easy pray for Germany clearly doesnt understand the actual facts of History. poland wasnt weak, in truth they were for the time pretty strong and were the key to allied powers eastern front should a new war with germany come about. they were allmost as strong as France in fact. AND during the inter-war years they were quite agressive as well, fighting wars with both germany and russia. the truth is that poland wasnt weak, its that Germany had developed a whole new way to wage war. if Germany had used the same weapons and tactics that the allied powers started out using than in no way would poland have been crushed and in all probibility would have held the eastern front while the other allies finished germany off from the west and south.

put another way ......... poland was actualy a pretty good knife fighter in a world full of knife fights, they just got stomped because germany brought a gun to a knife fight instead.

off the top of my head though i cant recall oen instiance of watching any TV based history shows that mention this fact. most of the WWII history documentarys i see all but point and laugh at poland, but this isnt history this is entertainment and no matter how serious a 'history show' trys to take itself you cant put years of actual history and motivations of millions of people into a 1 hr long show.

ive read literaly hundereds of books on WWII, WWI, and the Victorian era of european history, im quite well educated on the entire time frame and i often laugh at how stupid some of the 'history' shows are, and just how wrong they can be in what they present AND how ignorant in the literal sense. meaning that its obvious that the shows producers put damn near NO work into presenting the truth and left taht too a 30 second blurb from waht ever flavor of 'expert of the week' they can shoe-horn in between pictures of tanks runing over shit and planes droping bombs, or nazi's marching past hitler.

truth is our picture of 'history' especialy WWII era history is more made up than anything close to what the reality was. the mostly get the facts right, but the frame work they present those facts within is mostly very very wrong.
 

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Ridonculous_Ninja said:
Flying-Emu said:
berethond said:
No, there's nothing wrong with you.
I dislike the Americans, for their attempted genocide of the Native Americans.
I just happen to live here.
Well, actually, at least 60% of that happened before we were "America" as a nation. So really, you should almost be blaming the Spanish and English.

Since, you know. Cortez only wiped out an entire civilization in a matter of hours.

Jerious1154 said:
Pretty much every civilization in history has committed atrocities at some point in their history, you can't hold it against them in the present.
What about the Athenians? They were just a bunch of pansy-sniffing philosophers.
And gay.

Not to be homophobic, but figured I would point that out.

How did they have the largest (or second largest, can't remember) city in Greece when most of their men were gay? The guys who weren't must have been awfully busy...

Edit: Double Posted... woops
There wasn't a concept of homosexuality in Athens, if anything they were mostly bi.

@Flying emu: The Athenians possessed the best navy in the ancient world.
berethond said:
Flying-Emu said:
berethond said:
No, there's nothing wrong with you.
I dislike the Americans, for their attempted genocide of the Native Americans.
I just happen to live here.
Well, actually, at least 60% of that happened before we were "America" as a nation. So really, you should almost be blaming the Spanish and English.

Since, you know. Cortez only wiped out an entire civilization in a matter of hours.
The Trail of Tears.

And the whole "You get off you land, live on crappy reservation!!!!" deal rather upsets me.

And don't get me started on the Japanese internment.
The reservations in so-cal are pretty fuckin' nice. It almost makes me wish I was more than 1/16 Blackfoot, so I could mooch off the government more. If I was more Blackfoot, at least I'd be able to actually see the tribal lands.
 

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Wyatt said:
the person above that said Poland was weak and easy pray for Germany clearly doesnt understand the actual facts of History. poland wasnt weak, in truth they were for the time pretty strong and were the key to allied powers eastern front should a new war with germany come about.
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put another way ......... poland was actualy a pretty good knife fighter in a world full of knife fights, they just got stomped because germany brought a gun to a knife fight instead.
THANK YOU. It hardly ever gets mentioned the exact reasons why Poland was able to be taken over, especially with the secret pact between Stalin and the Nazis.

And thanks to everyone who posted. Yes, I know most countries have nasty pasts, but when it is things that are just *so* horrible and in the somewhat recent past (my mother and father were children during WW2 and there were relatives in Poland) I just get upset over it. I do think I can be a bit too sensitive.

My best friend in high school was German-American. If we got together now I would never dislike her for it, because she is a great person. But if she asked me to go to a German Heritage festival or the like, I would probably pass.

And about the Greeks--there really wasn't a 'gay' and 'straight' as we view it today, more like you were with women to have children and with men because they were your equals. Plus, they didn't have intercourse in the same respect, that was something done with women (or males who were 'lesser' such as slaves). But that's a whole other topic...
 

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Wyatt said:
the person above that said Poland was weak and easy pray for Germany clearly doesnt understand the actual facts of History. poland wasnt weak, in truth they were for the time pretty strong and were the key to allied powers eastern front should a new war with germany come about. they were allmost as strong as France in fact. AND during the inter-war years they were quite agressive as well, fighting wars with both germany and russia. the truth is that poland wasnt weak, its that Germany had developed a whole new way to wage war. if Germany had used the same weapons and tactics that the allied powers started out using than in no way would poland have been crushed and in all probibility would have held the eastern front while the other allies finished germany off from the west and south.
Unfortunately youre wrong here. Germany defeated Poland mostly through conventional warfare sustaining heavy losses. Blitzkrieg was not fully unleashed before attacking France. You said it yourself better than I did so I am just going to quote you here:

truth is our picture of 'history' especialy WWII era history is more made up than anything close to what the reality was. the mostly get the facts right, but the frame work they present those facts within is mostly very very wrong.
 

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Don't dislike people now who's ancestors made mistakes in the past.

Well, that said I must admit when I feel the desire to annoy a german, I ask him to return my grandfathers stolen bike.
 

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APPCRASH said:
I'm not keen on going to Poland BECAUSE they were considered weak and then picked on by the Russian and Germans.
Yea look how that worked out, Poland didn't win, but they sure as hell put up a fight.
 

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