Can nintendo salvage themsleves

[Alphakirby]

I just want to know if you think that there is any possible way for nintendo to save themsleves.

First explain how Nintendo is in such danger that there needs to be a thread about it.
Then explain to me why you thought making a thread about a company that prints money being in trouble was a good idea.

 

[enzilewulf]

The Wii and the 3d DS are massive hits and kids all want one. In fact its the hottest console for the Christmas period. They may make remakes but we are all not Yahtzee. Even though I sold mine I still am sad I never got to play Mario Galaxy 2.

The 3DS was a 'massive hit'? What kind of sick-o dimension do you live in? The 3DS was a big failure, and the Wii U is gearing up to be a giant disappointment as well. Nintendo might not 'die', but they're going to take a few good blows.

My fault. Bad research. Just every one I know owns one. If it isn't yet then wait for the Christmas period to role around, the price drop and all the titles that are going to be coming out will help it. Yet your right. I really don't keep up with Nintendo.

Just wanted to tell you your avatar is awesome, that guy totally had that punch comeing, dont know what its from or who it is but he totally had it comeing.

Exactly the reason I got it. I can always see a massive idiot being punched.

 

[SomeBrianDude]

I suppose they could want to salvage themselves from the unbridled success they experienced with the Wii. Nintendo might be the first company in history to decide they have made too much money, have too great a share of the market, and so deliberately sabotage themselves. 3DS was a good start...

 

[Kopikatsu]

I just want to know if you think that there is any possible way for nintendo to save themsleves.

First explain how Nintendo is in such danger that there needs to be a thread about it.
Then explain to me why you thought making a thread about a company that prints money being in trouble was a good idea.

Well, look at Dexter's post above yours for the 3DS. (GOD I LOVE THAT MAN.)

I'm not sure how much the Wii U cost to develop, but I'm guessing it's a fuckton. And they've already said that the Wii U 'may not necessarily' outperform current gen consoles, as well as saying that they aren't interested in providing the best online service.

So they have a console that will be really expensive, will have third-party titles that you can already play on your perfectly good 360/PS3, can only use one 'main' controller at a time, isn't attempting to beat the competition as far as accessibility goes...

Why the hell do they think it will do well?

 

[Alphakirby]

I just want to know if you think that there is any possible way for nintendo to save themsleves.

First explain how Nintendo is in such danger that there needs to be a thread about it.
Then explain to me why you thought making a thread about a company that prints money being in trouble was a good idea.

Well, look at Dexter's post above yours for the 3DS. (GOD I LOVE THAT MAN.)

I'm not sure how much the Wii U cost to develop, but I'm guessing it's a fuckton. And they've already said that the Wii U 'may not necessarily' outperform current gen consoles, as well as saying that they aren't interested in providing the best online service.

So they have a console that will be really expensive, will have third-party titles that you can already play on your perfectly good 360/PS3, can only use one 'main' controller at a time, isn't attempting to beat the competition as far as accessibility goes...

Why the hell do they think it will do well?

Because they're Nintendo and the last time they did this shit,they made a device that printed money. Obviously Nintendo has always believed lightning can strike twice and when it doesn't,they make something new that will make lightning strike.

 

[thelastmccabe]

Failure is Atari.

Failure is not a multi billion pound (i'm British I use pounds, give me a break) company that could recoup just about any loss by releasing "Mario does Princess Peach" as an adult cartoon.

lol!!

 

[IncredibleTurnip]

Long answer: Yes, they can.

 

[Axelhander]

I hope not. You got your MovieBobs of the world arguing in their favor with logical fallacy-laden arguments, either under the guise of "opinion" and/or while also accusing naysayers of using logical fallacies (see: Bob's laughable defense of Other M) and a bunch of people (including Bob) equating popularity with worth, but what is Nintendo truly doing in the "really good game" front?

I can think of two honest-to-goodness awesome titles from Nintendo in the last few years: the first Mario Galaxy and Kirby's Epic Yarn, the former for being the only game where I feel Wiimote controls actually feel intuitive and comfortable and the latter for showing that you can do a platformer without a lives or health system (the game's difficulty is a disconnected concern from that, haters).

The rest? Smash Bros. Brawl has a game mechanic harmful to every level of play (tripping, and no it's not beneficial in any way, shape, or form) and forces you to "work" to unlock the characters you already paid for. Not to mention it being a game with trashy mechanics in general. NSMBW's multiplayer is both clumsy (mid-air collisions) and devoid of any sort of netplay, and the single player game feels like a ho-hum Mario 3 clone. (Mario 3 is slightly overrated, OMG BLASPHEMY) Donkey Kong Country Returns shoehorned in unwelcome motion controls and turned the expertly-designed Rare levels into kinda-sorta time trials.

As for Twilight Princess, putting aside my own distaste for modern Zelda (which is actually separate from how I assess the games' quality, and yes that is a thing), I can just play the GameCube version and enjoy a Zelda game without Nintendo telling me "no, sonny, you're not allowed to play this game any other way other than how we say so." COMPARISON: Doom, on PC, supports keyboard/mouse, keyboard alone, and various gamepads. Hell even the "vaunted" (read: terrible) Brawl has the decency to let you pick your controller.

I lent my Wii to my cousin and haven't missed it, except for a Cave Story playthrough, which I just played on her TV. And certain VC releases, most way better than 95% of the Wii's library.

Why bother with Nintendo anyway? With my Steam account and XBLA/PSN, I get access to much better versions of the kinds of games Nintendo used to pride themselves on. Bastion is a better Zelda than most Zeldas. Games like Megaman 10 (way better than 9 btw) are available on all three consoles, and it looks better on a 360 or a PS3 and controls way more comfortably than on a Wii. N+ boils platforming down to solid physics and mechanics, something neither Nintendo (with Mario) nor Sega (with Sonic) has done well in a long time (Mario Galaxy notwithstanding). Modern 2D fighters, including really awesome-looking indie fare like Skullgirls, need not a Nintendo system (Tatsunoko vs. Capcom blows, eat me).

Actually, while on the topic of 2D, where has the "amazing 2D game resurgence" come from? Nintendo's made several contributions, one very solid (Epic Yarn), two others ho-hum (NSMBW, DKCR). Where's the rest coming from? XBox Live Arcade. Playstation Network. Steam. Indie PC titles. Cave Story is better than most Metroids, and one (extraordinarily talented) Japanese dude made the whole original game, for free (the Wii remake is worth the cash though).

Nintendo is irrelevant, at least to this gamer. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Whatever they pioneered -- and they've pioneered much -- others are carrying, running with, and improving. To hell with Nintendo.

I digress, so back to the topic at hand: I hope they can't salvage themselves, but sadly, they're not in danger. Yet.

 

[ZeroMachine]

The Wii and the 3d DS are massive hits and kids all want one. In fact its the hottest console for the Christmas period. They may make remakes but we are all not Yahtzee. Even though I sold mine I still am sad I never got to play Mario Galaxy 2.

Why is it these threads are all but reserved for Nintendo?

Because Yahtzee hates the Wii. Hes speaks that to his fanboys and so they instantly change their opinions to "The wii is shit"

I hate Yahtzee.

I think the Wii is shit, with the exception of just a couple games.

Explain that, please.

Also, successful as the Wii is (well, was) Nintendo's stock has been dropping like crazy with practically every new thing they say about the Wii U, and the 3DS sold well but not nearly as well as they assumed it would.

So basically, if they can finally take the fucking criticisms and change up the Wii U (even if they don't change the title, add a hard drive, for fuck's sake) then they can definitely pull through. They have a lot of fall back because of their success with the Wii, but if the Wii U flops (and it looks like it will) then Nintendo is pretty fucked.

 

[starwarsgeek]

The Wii and the 3d DS are massive hits and kids all want one. In fact its the hottest console for the Christmas period. They may make remakes but we are all not Yahtzee. Even though I sold mine I still am sad I never got to play Mario Galaxy 2.

The 3DS was a 'massive hit'? What kind of sick-o dimension do you live in? The 3DS was a big failure, and the Wii U is gearing up to be a giant disappointment as well. Nintendo might not 'die', but they're going to take a few good blows.

At roughly four months, the DS had sold 5.27 million worldwide. In the same time, the 3DS sold 4.32 million worldwide. Considering the DS was released a month before Christmas for its two biggest markets, and the 3DS was released in February, and was Japan-exclusive for its first month, it's actually not doing too badly. While not a huge success (yet), its status as a "failure" is blown way out of proportion by the gaming press and, strangely, Nintendo itself.

 

[enzilewulf]

The Wii and the 3d DS are massive hits and kids all want one. In fact its the hottest console for the Christmas period. They may make remakes but we are all not Yahtzee. Even though I sold mine I still am sad I never got to play Mario Galaxy 2.

Why is it these threads are all but reserved for Nintendo?

Because Yahtzee hates the Wii. Hes speaks that to his fanboys and so they instantly change their opinions to "The wii is shit"

I hate Yahtzee.

I think the Wii is shit, with the exception of just a couple games.

Explain that, please.

Well then you simply hate the Wii. Never did I say that all people who hate the Wii are Yahtzee fanboys. I did say that Yahtzee fanboys hate what ever he hates though.

 

[starwarsgeek]

The Wii and the 3d DS are massive hits and kids all want one. In fact its the hottest console for the Christmas period. They may make remakes but we are all not Yahtzee. Even though I sold mine I still am sad I never got to play Mario Galaxy 2.

Why is it these threads are all but reserved for Nintendo?

Because Yahtzee hates the Wii. Hes speaks that to his fanboys and so they instantly change their opinions to "The wii is shit"

I hate Yahtzee.

I think the Wii is shit, with the exception of just a couple games.

Explain that, please.

Also, successful as the Wii is (well, was) Nintendo's stock has been dropping like crazy with practically every new thing they say about the Wii U, and the 3DS sold well but not nearly as well as they assumed it would.

So basically, if they can finally take the fucking criticisms and change up the Wii U (even if they don't change the title, add a hard drive, for fuck's sake) then they can definitely pull through. They have a lot of fall back because of their success with the Wii, but if the Wii U flops (and it looks like it will) then Nintendo is pretty fucked.

Nintendo's stock dropped like crazy before the Wii too, so that's not really the best way to judge their potential success.
And the Wii U will have a hard drive. No idea if it comes packaged with the system, but it uses both flash card and hard drive for memory.

 

[ZeroMachine]

The Wii and the 3d DS are massive hits and kids all want one. In fact its the hottest console for the Christmas period. They may make remakes but we are all not Yahtzee. Even though I sold mine I still am sad I never got to play Mario Galaxy 2.

Why is it these threads are all but reserved for Nintendo?

Because Yahtzee hates the Wii. Hes speaks that to his fanboys and so they instantly change their opinions to "The wii is shit"

I hate Yahtzee.

I think the Wii is shit, with the exception of just a couple games.

Explain that, please.

Also, successful as the Wii is (well, was) Nintendo's stock has been dropping like crazy with practically every new thing they say about the Wii U, and the 3DS sold well but not nearly as well as they assumed it would.

So basically, if they can finally take the fucking criticisms and change up the Wii U (even if they don't change the title, add a hard drive, for fuck's sake) then they can definitely pull through. They have a lot of fall back because of their success with the Wii, but if the Wii U flops (and it looks like it will) then Nintendo is pretty fucked.

Nintendo's stock dropped like crazy before the Wii too, so that's not really the best way to judge their potential success.
And the Wii U will have a hard drive. No idea if it comes packaged with the system, but it uses both flash card and hard drive for memory.

Source that, please, because every thing I've seen says "no hard drive".

If you're right, then I'll give a big "FUCK YEAH" but then retract it if I find out it's sold separately...

 

[starwarsgeek]

The Wii and the 3d DS are massive hits and kids all want one. In fact its the hottest console for the Christmas period. They may make remakes but we are all not Yahtzee. Even though I sold mine I still am sad I never got to play Mario Galaxy 2.

Why is it these threads are all but reserved for Nintendo?

Because Yahtzee hates the Wii. Hes speaks that to his fanboys and so they instantly change their opinions to "The wii is shit"

I hate Yahtzee.

I think the Wii is shit, with the exception of just a couple games.

Explain that, please.

Also, successful as the Wii is (well, was) Nintendo's stock has been dropping like crazy with practically every new thing they say about the Wii U, and the 3DS sold well but not nearly as well as they assumed it would.

So basically, if they can finally take the fucking criticisms and change up the Wii U (even if they don't change the title, add a hard drive, for fuck's sake) then they can definitely pull through. They have a lot of fall back because of their success with the Wii, but if the Wii U flops (and it looks like it will) then Nintendo is pretty fucked.

Nintendo's stock dropped like crazy before the Wii too, so that's not really the best way to judge their potential success.
And the Wii U will have a hard drive. No idea if it comes packaged with the system, but it uses both flash card and hard drive for memory.

Source that, please, because every thing I've seen says "no hard drive".

If you're right, then I'll give a big "FUCK YEAH" but then retract it if I find out it's sold separately...

I originally saw it on tvtropes, but I went digging and found something more reliable than a wiki.

In addition to being backward compatible with all Wii games and accessories, the system will support SD/SDHC Memory Cards or an external USB hard drive for storage. It will also support a ?proprietary high-density optical disc? for game storage (basically, no switching discs) and a variety of video outputs including 720p, 1080i and 1080p.

http://www.warpzoned.com/?p=9369

Considering it has a second type of memory to fall back on and Nintendo is trying to cut the Wii U's price down as much as possible, I wouldn't be surprised if it is sold separately...or maybe it will be like the 360, and there will be a cheaper package with no hard drive?