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I've seen a sheep being shaved, they don't always struggle as much as you would think, and a professional sheep shearer will rarely nick the sheep (you don't want to make a mess or distress the animal more than necessary).Pararaptor said:
Not saying your wrong, but you are exaggerating a bit.
If you want to call the wool industry cruel you need only point to the practice of mulesing.
Its where they clip the skin around the sheeps rear until it dies and drops off. Its done for good reason though, as seen here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulesing
Phlakes said:
Can who do what now?
Because you truly are a Spoony Bard. In the good sense of the phrase. That deserves a Brofist of epic proportions. XD
OT: Um... lemme ask my sister, she's vegan.
BRB
EDIT: Depends on the vegan. In many cases, No No and Yes.
Though, I didn't even have to ask her. She's asleep. XD
IshFish said:
Dunno, but they sure can play bass:
Watch my vid and you'll get it.Drakmeire said:
yes they can wear leather but they wont do it in fear of getting attaced by other environmental activist. (it is like this in my neighborhood)
yes they can wear wool if they want.
yes they can use fossil fuel since it is sometimes hell to us a electric car.
yes they can wear wool if they want.
yes they can use fossil fuel since it is sometimes hell to us a electric car.
2. So it's okay for an animal to be bred, locked up and harvested periodically as long as it isn't killed?BonsaiK said:
OT: I'm glad I'm not vegan, since I probably wouldn't make a very good one. I wouldn't even be able to keep my psychic powers for a full week before Thomas Jane burst dowm my wall.
Depends on how the animal is treated. Some vegans will refuse to wear wool but most won't if they know that the animals are being treated in a way that isn't cruel (and yes, they do often research this on a company-by-comany basis). Whether it's "okay", hey, don't ask me, I'm not a vegan, I just happen to know a lot about this because I have lots of vegan friends.captaincabbage said:
Most vegans not the PETA vegans. Say that they will not eat anything because they do not agree with how it is acquired. This person would hunt and fish themselves so that they could say that they agree with how they got the food.ultrachicken said:
That's not what I meant. I'm confused as to why killing an animal yourself is somehow more morally correct than having someone else do it for you.BonsaiK said:
I don't believe that it is, and I haven't heard anyone else who believes that it is either, on either side of the pro/anti vegan debate. I'm not where you're getting that particular angle on things from, because I don't see that being said anywhere in any posts in this thread, or anywhere else for that matter.ultrachicken said:
Don't ask me how it happened, but I meant to quote this guy, and ended up quoting you. Whoops.BonsaiK said:
That's not what I meant. I'm confused as to why killing an animal yourself is somehow more morally correct than having someone else do it for you.Krion_Vark said:
...but the sheep has to be sheared; there is a very strong chance that it will overheat/die of very nasty diseases/parasites, etc. otherwise. Isn't genetic engineering (the sort farmers have been practicing for centuries, not the more recent kind) fun?Pararaptor said:
Many in here confuse two terms: Vegans and Vegetarians.
Vegetarians are defined by not eating meat. The purchase of leather goods etc. is up to personal morale.
Vegans on the other hand, are living by a philosophy that they don't buy, use or consume products which were generated by "exploiting" animals, including, but not limited to meat, leather, milk, honey, wool etc.
I kid you not when I say that one I read a forum thread where vegans discussed if it was okay to swallow after a bj!
So to answer the question of the OP:
For Vegans:
1) Nope
2) Nope
3) Yes
For Vegetarians:
1) Depends
2) Yes
3) Yes
And to the poster above me: The Vegans state that the expoitation started by capturing and breeding animals in a way they need further exploitation to survive, like milking cows or shear sheep.
And a disclaimer: I am neither Vegan nor Vegetarian.
Vegetarians are defined by not eating meat. The purchase of leather goods etc. is up to personal morale.
Vegans on the other hand, are living by a philosophy that they don't buy, use or consume products which were generated by "exploiting" animals, including, but not limited to meat, leather, milk, honey, wool etc.
I kid you not when I say that one I read a forum thread where vegans discussed if it was okay to swallow after a bj!
So to answer the question of the OP:
For Vegans:
1) Nope
2) Nope
3) Yes
For Vegetarians:
1) Depends
2) Yes
3) Yes
And to the poster above me: The Vegans state that the expoitation started by capturing and breeding animals in a way they need further exploitation to survive, like milking cows or shear sheep.
And a disclaimer: I am neither Vegan nor Vegetarian.
I live with a vegan chick. They don't eat any animal products or anything made from animal products. No meats, milk, cheese, even certain alcohols that use animal bone filters
1) Leather no, made from an animal
2) Generally yes since an animal isn't killed but some of the crazier ones might
3) Generally yes since animals aren't actually killed but a lot of vegans ride bikes (at least the ones I know)
1) Leather no, made from an animal
2) Generally yes since an animal isn't killed but some of the crazier ones might
3) Generally yes since animals aren't actually killed but a lot of vegans ride bikes (at least the ones I know)