Can we go back to the Metroid Prime way of making Metroid games?

[Ishal]

I was scrolling around the internet today when I saw this video.


And as someone who has played all of the Metroid Prime games (Echoes was my favorite) can we please go back to this? Samus doesn't say a word because she doesn't need to, the simple wave that she makes as she walks away from the Luminoth or the way her fist tightens as Dark Samus kills the other hunters speaks volumes about her characters better than Other M ever could. So...does anyone else miss these games?

The prime series was magnificent. It was by far my favorite Gamecube game (the first prime game) and made one particular Christmas especially memorable.

1)Just being able to sit down and explore everything and enjoy the beautiful overworld.
2)I loved the log book, even if it was just a way the game told you about an enemies weakness. It was part of the immersion.
3)The writing on the chozo lore and the space pirate logs were terrific. Some of the best ones were the chozo prophecies about the coming of the worm (metroid prime) and how it would corrupt the land. It was "nurtured in a poisoned womb". Great stuff.
4)People like Moviebob will always hate this stuff, but first person perspective really did help make the game great. It helped make us feel like we were Samus in a way not done before. All too often it is said that Nintendo caught on to the rise of fps and so wanted to tap into the market. I don't buy that at all. The game had bad multiplayer, I don't even think the first one had any at all. First person perspective in the Prime games was done specifically for the purpose of those games, nothing else.
5)The music... its some of the best out there even today. The remix of Norfair for magmor caverns and meta ridley's theme? Not to mention the phendrana drifts overworld theme which I still listen to when I'm studying and working out.

Not enough good can be said about those games. They are wonderful and were my first exposure to the Metroid franchise.

 

[lord canti]

These game were awesome and my first exposure to the metroid series and I really do hope we get another prime style game. Though I can only imagine the shit strom this game would have caused if it were being released now adays.

 

[Erttheking]

I was scrolling around the internet today when I saw this video.


And as someone who has played all of the Metroid Prime games (Echoes was my favorite) can we please go back to this? Samus doesn't say a word because she doesn't need to, the simple wave that she makes as she walks away from the Luminoth or the way her fist tightens as Dark Samus kills the other hunters speaks volumes about her characters better than Other M ever could. So...does anyone else miss these games?

The prime series was magnificent. It was by far my favorite Gamecube game (the first prime game) and made one particular Christmas especially memorable.

1)Just being able to sit down and explore everything and enjoy the beautiful overworld.
2)I loved the log book, even if it was just a way the game told you about an enemies weakness. It was part of the immersion.
3)The writing on the chozo lore and the space pirate logs were terrific. Some of the best ones were the chozo prophecies about the coming of the worm (metroid prime) and how it would corrupt the land. It was "nurtured in a poisoned womb". Great stuff.
4)People like Moviebob will always hate this stuff, but first person perspective really did help make the game great. It helped make us feel like we were Samus in a way not done before. All too often it is said that Nintendo caught on to the rise of fps and so wanted to tap into the market. I don't buy that at all. The game had bad multiplayer, I don't even think the first one had any at all. First person perspective in the Prime games was done specifically for the purpose of those games, nothing else.
5)The music... its some of the best out there even today. The remix of Norfair for magmor caverns and meta ridley's theme? Not to mention the phendrana drifts overworld theme which I still listen to when I'm studying and working out.

Not enough good can be said about those games. They are wonderful and were my first exposure to the Metroid franchise.

I think my favorite log entry was the Space Pirates talking about how an attempt to replicate the morph ball went horribly horribly wrong. The space pirates really do have it hard, but when you pick Samus as an enemy, you should've seen it coming.

 

[thejackyl]

I would love a new Metroid Prime style game. Though I would hope they'd use a better controller than the wii-mote or tablet.

I never completed the first two because of the forced backtracking (The markers in the first and the keys in the second), and I gave up on corruption due to how frustrating the Wii controls were.

Also, about Samus being voiced in Other M (Which I haven't played), and her being "voiced" in Fusion. I think if they do another 2D (like Fusion or Other M, I don't know what to classify that as didn't jump from side scroller to first person of some sections?) I think they need to keep the story somewhat minimalistic like Super Metroid, Zero Mission or the first 2 Primes.

Maybe a brief overview of the situation like Super Metroid and the rest is told by the gameplay and log entries. Though Super Metroid's did tend to drag after being forced to watch it for the 20th time. It seems to just work better without a voice.

 

[ShadowTrooper-A-E]

if Nintendo planed to make new metroid prime games that has the devs from other m far away as possible i will buy a
wii-U just for that and well the new smash bros.

 

[Genocidicles]

I'd rather have a new 2D game set after Fusion, but another Prime game would certainly be better than another Other M piece of crap.

 

[Call Me Jose]

I forgot how much I enjoyed Prime 1 and 2, as well as how awesome the soundtrack was.

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

I'd rather have a new 2D game set after Fusion, but another Prime game would certainly be better than another Other M piece of crap.

Hal-le-frickin'-lujah, this! Other M's deviation from the other games was such that I could hardly believe it was declared canon. I mean, I played Fusion from way back, damn near memorized the plot and dialouge (not to mention power-up locations, secret areas, etc.) and I distinctly recalled when Other M's plot contradicted Fusion's plot. Remember the cutscene in Fusion where she reminisces about "only being under someone else's command twice" and that Fusion was her second go around? Well, Other M happened before Fusion so it turns out she would've had been under someone's command THREE times, rather than the two she mentioned in Fusion.

Gah, I'm spouting exposition again.

I just pretend Other M is in a kind of limbo universe whereby things happen but I don't really notice, care or otherwise acknowledge its existence.

Oh, and BTW - Samus is the kind of character that doesn't need words. Her actions (along with her arsenal) are way more than enough. In fact, only two other characters I know of can get her job done in a similar manner - Link and Mega Man. In order to fight Metroids, Pirates and everything in-between, you need an elemental arsenal plus ballistic capabilities. Link has those, but cannot function in the environments Samus can; Mega Man is pretty much the male equivalent of Samus...

...but look at the company treatment he's gotten. Yeah, I went there.

We need a well written and properly executed Metroid game. Hell, we need more games to be well written and properly executed.

 

[Erttheking]

True, fusion did it decently, but even then she was quiet most if the time. It's less that her being voiced can't work and more her not being voiced just kinda works better.

I get that...more or less

I think part of it is I'm kind of really really dying for a female protagonist that has some kind of presance/charachter...comander shepard comes close but in the end shes still optional

thats not to say samus doesnt have charachter, I think generally speaking you can sort of get an idea of wht shes like based on actions alone

Fair enough...you know now that I think about it, Fusion did a lot of things right that Other M fucked up. It fleshed out the relationship between Samus and Adam a lot better (it says a lot about how badly this guy was written when I prefer a computer that communicated through text boxes to him, simply because this one didn't shoot Samus in the back. That's all I need) and it showed that Samus had a good deal of respect for him, but didn't take his word as the Gospel and actually thought for herself. Hell, she actually showed disdain towards the computer Adam until he actually helped her give the Federation the finger. Samus talking went a lot better too, confiding that for 90% of the game all of her dialogue was internalized, and when she did talk she was rather stoic, in fact someone on this website compared her to Bobba Fett and I agree. The only emotions she ever showed was anger and surprise, and it was when she had a reason too

Not to mention the whole thing of motherhood/showing that Samus had a soft side was conveyed a lot better in Fusion, mainly because it was actually SUBTLE! In case you haven't played the game, you run into some creatures the previous game from Super Metroid, Etecoons and Dachoras, monkey and bird aliens that taught you a couple of moves in Super Metroid. Samus frees them from containment and they find their way onto the ship, where Samus tells Adam that they can stay, and in the end, they help pilot the ship to rescue her from the exploding station. Also the image you get of them sleeping at the end is just adorable.

http://encycl.opentopia.com/enimages/thumb/5627/5626480/150px-Etecoons_and_Dachora.gif

This doesn't even take up a single percent of the game, yet it does a much better job at showing Samus' caring side without turning her into a total wuss. God, everything about Metroid is so good EXCEPT for Other M. How did the series crash and burn like this?

 

[Myndnix]

Considering Metroid Prime is one of my favourite games, with the sequels above most other games too, I would absolutely love to see a fourth one.
However, I'd just as much love to see a new 2D game.
Just anything but another game by Team Ninja. A game so bad it was actually offensive. And it was offensive for real reasons, too, like the ridiculous amounts of sexism.

 

[KeikakuKat]

Oh man I love the Metroid Prime games! I'm so glad that I bought the Trilogy for the Wii before that went out of print. The music, the atmosphere, the enemies, the VERY memorable bosses..... They're early to mid 2000's games that I can go back and play today without thinking "ugh, this game hasn't aged well." Because they definitely HAVE aged well! Also, Retro Studios is based in Texas. Hooray for breaking stereotypes!

 

[Arslan Aladeen]

Considering Metroid Prime is one of my favourite games, with the sequels above most other games too, I would absolutely love to see a fourth one.
However, I'd just as much love to see a new 2D game.
Just anything but another game by Team Ninja. A game so bad it was actually offensive. And it was offensive for real reasons, too, like the ridiculous amounts of sexism.

That was more Yoshio Sakamoto's fault than Team Ninja. Nintendo needs to make sure he has nothing to do with the next Metroid game.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

As much as I loved the Prime games (well the first 2 anyway) and it's gameplay, I don't think Other M's biggest failing was in the gameplay, rather it was in the story. I'm sure we can all agree that the story of Other M was atrocious.
No, I actually thought the hybrid gameplay of 2.5D and first person 3D was an interesting idea, although it did fall apart in several areas, namely the boss fights. Having to switch to first person for missiles while fighting fast moving basses was difficult esp. considering that aiming with the Wii remote was tricky at the best of times (or at least I found it so). However despite that I did like that one boss that you had to fish out of the lava with the grapple beam, I thought that was quite a clever set up. All in all I think the gameplay of Other M might be something to expand upon, just find an alternative way of doing missiles during boss fights and for the love of whatever god you believe in please bring back health and ammo being dropped by enemies.

 

[Fodder Aplenty]

Prime 1 was a masterpiece, incorporating many aspects that made Super Metroid so good and bringing them to life in an amazing world.

lets not go overboard, now. prime is a very good game (im playing it for the first time right now) just got the grapple hook), but controlling the camera is so bloody bad.

can't comment on the other ones, though. I have only played a bit of three and don't remember a thing about it, and i havent touched echoes at all. what makes it worse?

also to keep on topic: yes please.

 

[MoltenSilver]

After I got a Wii, I found myself largely disappointed by the game library, it seemed like even on the good games there was a qualifying footnote, and great ideas ruined by poorly-implemented gimmick-based controls. I was starting to regret getting a Wii.

Then Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (my first Metroid game too) single-handedly changed my mind on that.

While I'd agree with going back to the style, I think the Prime story sits pretty well as is, and when the series is revisited I'd rather it be a brand-new storyline.

Samus CAN talk in a game, theres no reason why she cant talk and it be awsome

I absolutely agree with this; That Game was a blasphemy, no if ands or buts, but I don't think it alone should stand as proof that Samus should never have a major speaking roll. It would require the utmost care, and certainly her style should be curt and fairly harsh (though still containing the gentler subtlety/moments, of course) rather than ranting or waxing poetic, but I do think its possible to make a great story with it. That's not to say, as has been pointed out above, that the silent games are insufficient or incapable of communicating character, but if nothing else it's a giant unexplored territory that I'd love to see what a competent developer could do with.

Captcha: pipe down
Apparently the Captcha is a fan of silent Samus

 

[fix-the-spade]

I really am in the minority on that being the best one aren't I?

Possibly, it's all the fault of the Boost and Spider guardians though. That game would have been better without them!

I'd love to see Retro make another Metroid game (although Prime is well and truly dead, so call it Metroid: Something else or something). Nobody else has managed to nail first person platforming the way they did, or the atmosphere. Metroid Prime/2's near total silence voice wise made it so much better, it made the sense of loneliness and isolation that bit more unavoidable.

 

[Dansen]

I agree. Prime was/is such a fun series. Even Echoes.

I really am in the minority on that being the best one aren't I?

I like it a lot too. The build up is a lot better and I liked being exposed to the federation and Luminoths if only for a brief bit. Its just a lot harder than 1, It took me forever to beat the boost guardian. I have yet to beat the game too, because the Ing Emperor is broken. Seriously, Those tentacles are positioned in such a way so that it is virtually impossible to lock on to and they are impossible to dodge completely without running into the phazon. Any tips would be appreciated.

Overall though at this point I prefer the final sequence of Metroid Prime(might change if I actually manage to beat him). The way you go into the impact crater and have to fight off absurdly resilient metroids, just to reach the metroid prime. When I first saw it I was completely blown away by how it looked. Great character design. If you look closely at its face in the first part you can see that its just in a shell and that behind the visor there is a face that looks eerily like that of a child/doll. Gave me the creeps.

 

[crimson sickle2]

At the time of release, I actually didn't play through Echoes. After seeing Other M and being away from the light/dark world bullshit, I should probably get on that. Now I just need to replace all uses of the word "dark" with something else.
I'll probably still think of it as the worst of the three, but I'm actually catching up on my backlog and as captcha says: agree to disagree. At least the last suit is cool.

On a different matter, I'd like to hear why Metroid: Fusion succeeded while Other M failed. They both had long exposition and a similar mission.