Can you really consider someone in a powersuit badass?
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you may think that all those guys are badass then you are wrong here is the most badass person EVER, they aint a video game character they are a true badass who stood against 6 tanks with no weaponsIamSofaKingRaw said:
Depends on if the power suit is needed or not and even then its all about personality and style.
Depends what they're fighting I suppose.
Ripley, in Aliens, was already hardcore, but somehow recieved a badass-level upgrade by putting the power suit ON. I think the willingness to a/ wear and use something that allows you to demolish a building with one hand, b/ requires you be locked into it as a massive, lumbering, non stealthy sitting duck, c/ signifies that you're probably going to be fighting enemies so tough that unsuited soldiers wouldn't have the slightest chance against... and neither will you if your suit is knocked out and you're trapped in it - means that you deserve at least a little kudos.
That's why, e.g. Quarich from Avatar is definitely on the badass list, despite otherwise being a total fucknut. The man is a total hardcase, and with a tiny attitude adjustment in a different setting would be a Duke Nukem style antihero. He's trying to do a bit of vegetation clearance in the face of heavy opposition from 8ft tall, almost unkillable aliens who live in a poisonous atmosphere, and to get the job done will willingly brave asphyxiation by going out into the world sans mask, get his face slashed up, and eventually - when his demonstrably iron-pumped muscles probably aren't going to cut it - suit up in what is basically a walking pickup truck (with more strength but less manouevrability - or resilience!) and ride it to earth A-team style out of the burning wreckage of a crippled dropship to continue kicking what he sees as some righteous ass, even though he'll probably die in the process. The suit just means he can kick butt a little longer and harder before expiring, which might be all the difference that's required to finish the job.
Now, that's pretty god damned badass to me.
Similarly the Warhammer space marines. They're fighting unspeakable horrors that could rip your lungs out through your heart just by thinking about looking at you. The vertical-tank type armour is pretty much a requisite ... as is the guts to go out fighting that kind of foe in the first place, rather than turning tail and getting on the first transport ship to the other end of the galaxy. I mean, the powersuit may be armoured, but that's a bit token and only good against lesser enemies wielding conventional ranged or bladed weapons. It's mostly there so you can continue mashing slaaneshi devotees into the permafrost a little longer and more forcefully before one of the more powerful ones casts some kind of spell or does a memetic dance that causes your brain to melt out of your nose.
The most hardcore marine is recognisable by ditching the helmet, because it restricts vision, has no bearing on strength, and really doesn't enhance your survivability that much.
Ripley, in Aliens, was already hardcore, but somehow recieved a badass-level upgrade by putting the power suit ON. I think the willingness to a/ wear and use something that allows you to demolish a building with one hand, b/ requires you be locked into it as a massive, lumbering, non stealthy sitting duck, c/ signifies that you're probably going to be fighting enemies so tough that unsuited soldiers wouldn't have the slightest chance against... and neither will you if your suit is knocked out and you're trapped in it - means that you deserve at least a little kudos.
That's why, e.g. Quarich from Avatar is definitely on the badass list, despite otherwise being a total fucknut. The man is a total hardcase, and with a tiny attitude adjustment in a different setting would be a Duke Nukem style antihero. He's trying to do a bit of vegetation clearance in the face of heavy opposition from 8ft tall, almost unkillable aliens who live in a poisonous atmosphere, and to get the job done will willingly brave asphyxiation by going out into the world sans mask, get his face slashed up, and eventually - when his demonstrably iron-pumped muscles probably aren't going to cut it - suit up in what is basically a walking pickup truck (with more strength but less manouevrability - or resilience!) and ride it to earth A-team style out of the burning wreckage of a crippled dropship to continue kicking what he sees as some righteous ass, even though he'll probably die in the process. The suit just means he can kick butt a little longer and harder before expiring, which might be all the difference that's required to finish the job.
Now, that's pretty god damned badass to me.
Similarly the Warhammer space marines. They're fighting unspeakable horrors that could rip your lungs out through your heart just by thinking about looking at you. The vertical-tank type armour is pretty much a requisite ... as is the guts to go out fighting that kind of foe in the first place, rather than turning tail and getting on the first transport ship to the other end of the galaxy. I mean, the powersuit may be armoured, but that's a bit token and only good against lesser enemies wielding conventional ranged or bladed weapons. It's mostly there so you can continue mashing slaaneshi devotees into the permafrost a little longer and more forcefully before one of the more powerful ones casts some kind of spell or does a memetic dance that causes your brain to melt out of your nose.
The most hardcore marine is recognisable by ditching the helmet, because it restricts vision, has no bearing on strength, and really doesn't enhance your survivability that much.
Space Marines <3!Hannan4mitch said:
Anyway. Yeah, Space Marines are awesome. They just win. I can't wait till Warhammer 40K SpaceMarine comes out.
No. A weapon is a batarang. You would need to know how to use it in order to do anything badass with it. A powersuit that grants super speed agility, strength doesn't really need much skill to master. Not saying Master Chief is an idiot in a powersuit but the fact that the powersuit enhances his abilities lowers his badassness(?) in my eyes.AfterAscon said:
Oh I ever knew a gun made you nearly invulnerable and granted yo super human strength, speed, reflexes, etc.. Damn I should get me one of those!internetzealot1 said:
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For me it's either personality, or what they can do as they appear. Plus, Samus can still be badass outside of her suit (see Zero Mission), although it does put her at a disadvantage against enemies who DO have power-suits.
They're both tools. And just as a gun is a better tool than a knife, a power suit is a better tool than a gun.IamSofaKingRaw said:
In the case of Samus, there's a history of her being just as much of an ass kicker outside of her suit as she is inside it.
Also consider what might be the requirements for wearing the stuff.
All 40k Space Marines wear power armor but only the veterans get to wear the Terminator armor and even then they have to prove themselves worthy of the honor before they get to use it.
Same for the Dreadnoughts, you don't get to be one if you haven't proven yourself worthy.
Also consider what might be the requirements for wearing the stuff.
All 40k Space Marines wear power armor but only the veterans get to wear the Terminator armor and even then they have to prove themselves worthy of the honor before they get to use it.
Same for the Dreadnoughts, you don't get to be one if you haven't proven yourself worthy.
A power suit isn't anywhere near a gun.internetzealot1 said:
Im talking about this...
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and you are talking about something like this....
[spoiler][img src=http://killzone3.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/killzone3-jetpack.jpg][/spoiler]
The first pic shows a soldier in a powersuit that grants him enhanced abilities across the boards whereas the second pic shows a soldier using an armor addon that is equpped with heavy guns and gives the soldier the ability to get to high places. It, like a gun doesn't augment the soldiers abilities in any way where as a Halo powersuit does.
and you are talking about something like this....
[spoiler][img src=http://killzone3.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/killzone3-jetpack.jpg][/spoiler]
The first pic shows a soldier in a powersuit that grants him enhanced abilities across the boards whereas the second pic shows a soldier using an armor addon that is equpped with heavy guns and gives the soldier the ability to get to high places. It, like a gun doesn't augment the soldiers abilities in any way where as a Halo powersuit does.
Batman fights criminals that could actually exist, Like Two-Face who's big fancy skill is a mental issue (actually that's his whole rogue's gallery). He has a massive intel network and the best equipment money can build. Also he does have a variety of powersuit for various purposes. And I've seen him dodge bullets so lighting fast... maybe.IamSofaKingRaw said:
Look you argue Samus doesn't count because she has a suit and she fights giant alien creatures in hostile enviornments, Auron is DEAD and has magic and he spends most of his time fighting only enemies of slightly larger size. If he gets a clear so does most anyone using a powersuit.
Demi-God vs God is not, at all a big disadvantage. As we have seen and as greek history is pretty much based on. And considering all the crap he gathers along the way Kratos is actually likely much stronger and versatile than anything he fought. The man's highlander only with the greek gods.
I agree Conan style wearing nothing except a loincloth to cover your dick badassery is definitely much more up there than a suit of power armour.
Of course, the thing with power armour is people can imagine themselves in it, which is Gordon Freeman's selling point.
Of course, the thing with power armour is people can imagine themselves in it, which is Gordon Freeman's selling point.
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Power armored soldiers are still more badass than magical characters who received their super powers.
Those guys in power armor usually face enemies that can punch through steel to even the odds anyway. Cannon fodder equipment.
generic space marine > kratos, superman, JC Denton.
Duke Nukem is more badass than all of them ofcourse. All he's got for protection is a red shirt.
Those guys in power armor usually face enemies that can punch through steel to even the odds anyway. Cannon fodder equipment.
generic space marine > kratos, superman, JC Denton.
Duke Nukem is more badass than all of them ofcourse. All he's got for protection is a red shirt.