Canadian Scientists Cure Cancer... No One Notices?

[Ren3004]

Okay, my BS monitors are going off here. Mitochondria are a structure within the cell, not a type of cell. Further, they're essentially the powerplant of the cell; if cancer patients had non-functioning mitochondria, they'd be dead long before the cancer did anything. I'm going to have to see a more reliable source on this before I believe anything.

Some tumours, not cancer patients have malfunctioning mitochondria. And the tumour cells don't die because they use a shit-ton of glycolysis and lactic fermentation instead, even if their mitochondria work fine. It's called the Warburg effect [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_effect]

As for calling mitochondria cells, it's probably an error from the author of the article, not the paper.

 

[intheweeds]

And people wonder why I rail on about what a sick fucked up system privatized healthcare is. In a socialized healthcare system, where people come ahead of money, we'd have jumped all over this. Too bad we'd rather make money by holding people's own lives hostage until they fork up the dough for a treatment.

...Canada's healthcare system is socialized.

-m

The Healthcare system is... Pharmaceuticals are still manufactured, distributed and over-charged for in Canada, though. We can go to a hospital for anything at all, but getting a prescription filled afterwards is no easier or cheaper if you have no benefits or insurance.

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

My thougths on this are simple. If this treatment works, it'll get adopted as common practice.

You shouldn't be suprised by the pharmaceutical giants not being interested. Believe it or not, they're not there for your benefit. They just want profit. If they could sell you a drug that cured one thing but caused another so you needed another medication to treat that problem rather than a simple cheap cure, they would.

These guys are right up there with insurance, cigarette and coffee companies. Fucking douchebags, the lot of them.

Yep beat me to the post there

 

[mattttherman3]

Right, so if I get cancer, take the first flight to edmonton, find the university, and ask for the cancer cure? Awesome.

 

[manythings]

Okay, my BS monitors are going off here. Mitochondria are a structure within the cell, not a type of cell. Further, they're essentially the powerplant of the cell; if cancer patients had non-functioning mitochondria, they'd be dead long before the cancer did anything. I'm going to have to see a more reliable source on this before I believe anything.

Mitochodria are a lot more complicated than other cell components. We inherit mitochodria through the X-chromosome and they seem pretty sure we shouldn't have mitochodria at all. It's, apparently, some kind of prehistoric passenger a group of ancestors (incredibly prehistoric) picked up that vastly improved the processing and release of energy on a cellular level. They're not claiming that all the mitochondria are broken just the ones in the cancer cells.

 

[Tripple W]

Its great an all but Edmonton could we just say Calgary and call it a day

 

[Faulty Turmoil]

Okay, my BS monitors are going off here. Mitochondria are a structure within the cell, not a type of cell. Further, they're essentially the powerplant of the cell; if cancer patients had non-functioning mitochondria, they'd be dead long before the cancer did anything. I'm going to have to see a more reliable source on this before I believe anything.

I have to agree with this man. I am a student studying biology at A-level and I head-desked so hard that I need an ice pack.

The reason no-one's taken any notice is that it's complete rubbish.

 

[bobknowsall]

Okay, my BS monitors are going off here. Mitochondria are a structure within the cell, not a type of cell. Further, they're essentially the powerplant of the cell; if cancer patients had non-functioning mitochondria, they'd be dead long before the cancer did anything. I'm going to have to see a more reliable source on this before I believe anything.

Very true, this is.

Besides which, even if the pharmaceutical companies didn't like this, the media would be talking our ears off about it. This development would be most definitely in their interests, at least.

I really doubt the legitimacy of this article, I'm afraid.

/edit
Going through the comments on the article page, there are more than a few people pointing out some serious holes in this...

Unsurprising, really.

I'm finishing up a specialist Biology degree, which is mainly focusing on Cell Biology (Apoptosis, Proliferation, DNA replication and suchlike) and... Cancer research.

DCA has shown promise in preliminary trials, that much is true. But it is also mildly carcinogenic. And there haven't been any proper tests on humans. We've found genetic cures for mouse cancer already. But none for humans, because we function quite differently to mice.

Mind you, I am inclined to think that the source of this news was just a bit clueless about cell biology. Not the OP, mind you. Just the source.

 

[Rednog]

Okay, my BS monitors are going off here. Mitochondria are a structure within the cell, not a type of cell. Further, they're essentially the powerplant of the cell; if cancer patients had non-functioning mitochondria, they'd be dead long before the cancer did anything. I'm going to have to see a more reliable source on this before I believe anything.

Mitochodria are a lot more complicated than other cell components. We inherit mitochodria through the X-chromosome and they seem pretty sure we shouldn't have mitochodria at all. It's, apparently, some kind of prehistoric passenger a group of ancestors (incredibly prehistoric) picked up that vastly improved the processing and release of energy on a cellular level. They're not claiming that all the mitochondria are broken just the ones in the cancer cells.

Err quick correction, I'm pretty sure mitochondria aren't coded on the X chromosome, I'm pretty sure you inherit mitochondria from your mother because it is the sperm entering the egg which has mitochondria inside it already, and the sperms mitochondria are only used for moving the sperm to the egg and are lost when they reach the egg. Also, I'm pretty sure mitochondria have their own DNA and have their own replication methods that are independent of our chromosomal replication.
If mitochondria were indeed inherited on the X chromosome females would have mitochondria produced from both mother and father, but this is not the case.

 

[Spacewolf]

Okay, my BS monitors are going off here. Mitochondria are a structure within the cell, not a type of cell. Further, they're essentially the powerplant of the cell; if cancer patients had non-functioning mitochondria, they'd be dead long before the cancer did anything. I'm going to have to see a more reliable source on this before I believe anything.

Mitochodria are a lot more complicated than other cell components. We inherit mitochodria through the X-chromosome and they seem pretty sure we shouldn't have mitochodria at all. It's, apparently, some kind of prehistoric passenger a group of ancestors (incredibly prehistoric) picked up that vastly improved the processing and release of energy on a cellular level. They're not claiming that all the mitochondria are broken just the ones in the cancer cells.

Err quick correction, I'm pretty sure mitochondria aren't coded on the X chromosome, I'm pretty sure you inherit mitochondria from your mother because it is the sperm entering the egg which has mitochondria inside it already, and the sperms mitochondria are only used for moving the sperm to the egg and are lost when they reach the egg. Also, I'm pretty sure mitochondria have their own DNA and have their own replication methods that are independent of our chromosomal replication.

x chromosome is from your mother if your male and you have two if your female one from each parent

 

[intheweeds]

The grass is always greener on the other side, it seems. I have a socialized healthcare system in Poland, and here's how it works here:

- You feel sick.
- The very next day, you HAVE TO go to your doctor at 6 A.M. Why? Because the registrations for the visits starts at 7 A.M and unless you go there an hour earlier, then you'll have to wait in a giant line. The funniest part? The registrations are closed at 8 A.M so if you won't make it - tough luck, go be sick somewhere else, and see you tomorrow. And no, you cannot register yourself using the phone.
- Okay, you made it. You managed to get a number. You visit the internist. He tells you it looks like blahblahblah. And you better hope that blahblahblah needs to be killed by some medicine bought at the chemist shop, so your torment ends here. If not, you'll have to visit...
- The specialist, like the laryngologist or whatever. The hard part? Oh this guy is busy... Let's see the calendar to see, when there's a nearest date when you can visit him. Huh, that's 3 weeks from now at completely random hour. It's a really late date? Who cares, there's nothing you can do. The hour collides with something very important you have to do that day? Too bad, you can always pick even LATER date.
- Wait three weeks, and either get better during that time, so the doctor can scold you for wasting his time, or get worse, so the treatment will be longer and less pleasant.

And that's how it goes. Don't even get me started about hospitals, because I have only cusses to say about my few visits in there. We even have a saying: "You have to be really healthy, if you want to be sick in Poland."

Of course, alternatively, you can go to some private clinic, pay up and get diagnosed/cured ASAP. So yeah, I PRAY EVERYDAY for a privatized healthcare.

Wow, that sucks! I would n't go calling for privatized though... Here in Canada we have free healthcare too, but it's implemented very differently and much better it sounds like. Its the way the government goes about it i guess.

Let me just say something thats been bothering me about this thread though...

Socialized healthcare in Canada is awesome yes, but IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR MEDICATION!
Seeing a doctor: free
Filling a prescription: super expensive just like everywhere else.

 

[Continuity]

So what? the pharma companies are douches who are just out to make money? We know that, its called capitalism and it is manifest in almost every aspect of society.

People, please, stop acting like you know Biology, because half of you don't know two craps of what is written there...

This paper have been proved as fact by the community and many third party supporters are angry about this fact.

As for DCA this is old news, I saw and article about it in the new scientist about 5 years ago.... there is no "treatment" as there is no effective way to administer the DCA in high enough concentrations to kill the cancer without killing the patient. in other words it works in a Petri dish but that's about it.

Repeat for those that are hard of understanding: old news, no effective treatment. Thats not to say there is no potential to treat some cancers with DCA, but it not a "cure for cancer".

 

[Alexlion]

As the OP failed to mention it does have side effects excessive use can increase the risk of liver cancer. Its undergoing medical trials atm on humans, dont get ur information from a dodgy site on the internet. If ur in the UK or the Canada your best bet would be to talk to your specialist if you do have cancer as they will ofc advise u on ur best treatment and understand this. If u dont have socialised medical care i dunno wave ur money in the air and hope you get a doctor who gives a shit about you more than your money.

 

[somersetal]

dichloroacetate, great plan.

 

[somersetal]

dichloroacetate, great plan.

 

[DoctorPhil]

Not only can this ting not be patented, but those companies also make huge amounts of money off cancer patients. Glycolysis is perfect for them, it sometimes cures the cancer so the patients trust it works, yet it also causes the cancer to come back sometimes, so the companies can make more money again. Same goes for chemotherapy.
Another cancer remedy is bitter almonds, these have been made illegal in America by the drug association (I forget wwhat it's called atm). In Europe, the pharmacuetical companies are constantly trying to get cancer remedies that have proved effective for thousands of years banned.
A way to prevent anyone from getting cancer with high effectiveness is eating food with bases in them. We in the west often eat acidic food (acidic food tends to taste better, damn you god), acidic food somehow prevents oxygen from getting to the cancer cells, oxygen is deadly for cancer cells, and bases neutralise acids.
I know this from a really interesting documentary called "the cancer report". I can really recommend anyone to download it and give it a watch. It axplains the situation with the pharmaceutical companies, the science behind how cancer works and is prevented and tips on how to not get cancer and maybe even cure it.

 

[TheEnglishman]

I'm somewhat dubious of the legitimacy of this, I don't believe if SOMONE FRIGGING CURED CANCER no one would want to exploit that somehow.

Or maybe it is true, and I just lost faith in man kind.

 

[zehydra]

People, please, stop acting like you know Biology, because half of you don't know two craps of what is written there...

This paper have been proved as fact by the community and many third party supporters are angry about this fact.

unless this paper is a copy uploaded onto this webpage, I highly doubt it. This website looks a bit like Wikipages to me.

Regardless we're going to need a better source.

 

[Vrach]

I just read this article earlier today. I wasn't entirely sure it was legit. I guess part of me is really hoping it isn't true.

You're hoping it isn't true that there's a cure for cancer readily and cheaply available?

OT: Holy fuck. Hope that isn't a hoax. I also hope that every single one of pharmaceutical companies dies in a fucking fire if it's true.