CANADIANS!! Stop the coalition!!

[Bootss1]

A thread about the coalition has been made already...

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.78454

I'm for it. the conservative's current view on what should be done is horrible. it seems like it would throw us further back into the recession instead of helping

 

[thiosk]

If I have my canadian politics correct, dion is a nutjob moonbat.

Fight the coalition if that whacko is in it. and thats whacko with a nonsilent H

 

[NeoAC]

I say the sooner Harper loses power the better, he is a hypocrite who clearly does not have the best interests of Canada in mind. Best interests of Conservatives, yes, but Canadians, no. Dion is finally nailing him on being more wishy-washy than Kerry, and although I would rather see Layton in charge than him, it makes me very happy that Harper is getting his comeupance.

BTW, I voted in my first election this go around, and I happy to say I was able to say I voted for the man who is the most visible representative of Harper's flip-flopping, former longtime Conservative and current Independent MP for Cumberland-Colchester-Musquodobit Valley (say that three times fast!) Bill Casey, who got cast out for voting against Harper's budget when he tore up a oil revenue accord that Nova Scotia and Newfoundland negotiated long and hard to get, even after top Harper man and fellow NS MP Peter MacKay said that no Tory would put booted for voting their conscience. Dion has said publically he would honor the Atlantic Accord, which is a heck of a lot better than we're going to get under Harper! So see ya Stephen! I'd say it's been fun, but who am I kidding? It hasn't.

 

[Corbs]

I felt obliged to respond to this thread, as a fellow Canadian myself.

The main reason for the coalition is the creation of a stable (majority) government who, therefore, would quickly be able to take action in this crisis, the recession. The Conservative government failed to get support from other parties, which explains the creation the coalition.

By the way, with the support from the Green party, excluding the Bloc Quebecois, the coalition represents 7 000 000 voters compared to 4 000 000 voters for the Conservative. Who said the coalition didn't speak for "we", the voters?

But if you want to know what really chafes my hide with regards to politics, its not having a member of the Green party being part of parliament, to represent my desire for green tech (sustainable, safer homes - solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, hydro - improved methods of local agriculture - improved methods of supply transports for communities), clean water (and air and soil and food and ... well you get the idea), and a better future for my daughter.

True, but at least Elizabeth May has confirmed she fully supports the coalition.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

If I have my canadian politics correct, dion is a nutjob moonbat.

Fight the coalition if that whacko is in it. and thats whacko with a nonsilent H

I'm Left of Center, and THIS is why I'm anti-coalition, because I'm anti Dion and Duceppe.

Layton is great when all he can do is talk, that and he's so damn entertaining.

 

[Random Argument Man]

Well if Micheal Jean decides to close the chamber like Harper wants. Coalition will be twarted. If she doesn't close the chamber till monday good bye Harper.

Closing the chamber, sounds like conservative are more worried about their jobs than anything. The sad thing is, this could have been avoided. I dunno when Layton mentionned during the elections the idea of coalition.

That's what happens when one ego's takes the tops of things.

As for the canadians voted for Harper argument. Actually, Harper got like 34% of the votes. So what about the other 67%?

well sorry to say the coalition is more bush jr like than harper

On which part?

The Russians tried a coalition government (Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky); look how well it worked for them!

Could Gil DuCeppe be Canada's Joseph Stalin!?

This kind of a "*****-fest" hasn't happened since 1925 with Makenzie King (the guy on the Hundred).

It's like Larry and Curly teaming up with Shemp to take out Moe; When will it end?

You're comparing a separatist party to a country with a One party regim?

 

[xitel]

Hey, if we had to suffer under Bush and the PATRIOT Act for 8 years, you can suffer a bit too. Apparently the Bush Administration was so bad that the crappy government was contagious.

 

[TerraMGP]

When enough of the minority opposes a majority, they become a majority in their own right. If you have a majority of those who are not the majority and feel that they are doing something bad enough that they need to be stopped then yes, you voted in enough people to have that happen. Just because they are acting across partisan lines does not mean they are not in the right.

 

[TSED]

I am a Canadian who comes from the PITS OF CONSERVATIVE SUPPORT (and our one NDP riding to stop it from being a sea of blue, which is kind of hilarious).

I support the coalition.


Stop fearmongering. This is what democracy is for. I mean heck, the tories had a coalition a few years ago. Did you shout and beg and plead at the government THEN to not allow it?

 

[Anton P. Nym]

The Russians tried a coalition government (Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky); look how well it worked for them!

Could Gil DuCeppe be Canada's Joseph Stalin!?

This kind of a "*****-fest" hasn't happened since 1925 with Makenzie King (the guy on the Hundred).

It's like Larry and Curly teaming up with Shemp to take out Moe; When will it end?

Please tell me you're still in school.

The plain fact is that Harper screwed up. His economic statement offered too raw a deal to the opposition, gambling that the other parties wouldn't want to go to the polls again so soon with their election funds still depleted. Oddly enough, though, when facing a bill that would've changed how political parties raise funds (in Harper's favour, by the way) the others gave up squabbling amongst themselves and told Harper to sit on it rather than vote to slit their own throats.

After this dick move (and, worse, screwing up this dick move) Harper should've made with the apologies... but instead went on the attack, and is trying to step around Constitutional limits to hold on to power long enough to run a string of attack ads against the Coalition and turn popular opinion against it. Never mind the real constitutional crisis he's causing, and the real threat to national unity he's causing by hammering at Quebec MPs every chance he gets... it's that he bungled, horrifically, and is trying to duck out on the consequences of that bungle that has me seeing red.

No. The Coalition is how Parliamentary democracies work... stifling it doesn't support our traditions. Indeed, denying it is far less democratic than admitting that you've lost the confidence of the majority of the House of Parliament.

-- Steve

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

I dunno about this 34% thing folks, my entire friend group is against the coalition and we all voted Green in the last election. Mostly because we...

1. Don't want The Bloc in such an obvious position of power
2. Don't want the NDP in such an obvious position of power
3. Hate Stephane Dion with an undying passion.

I was REALLY looking forward to the Liberal Leadership change, because that means I might actually be able to VOTE for them next time.

Also this screams of a petty ego play by Dion

"I'm sad because I lost the election and then the confidence of my party, wah wah wah, now I'm going to form a coaltion and become prime minister anyway, HA HA HA, don't you wish you'd voted for me now?"

Yeah, I don't trust a man who is technically going to be replaced in the spring to be prime minister.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

I was REALLY looking forward to the Liberal Leadership change, because that means I might actually be able to VOTE for them next time.

Also this screams of a petty ego play by Dion

"I'm sad because I lost the election and then the confidence of my party, wah wah wah, now I'm going to form a coaltion and become prime minister anyway, HA HA HA, don't you wish you'd voted for me now?"

Yeah, I don't trust a man who is technically going to be replaced in the spring to be prime minister.

I supported the Liberals in the last election so my opinion may be biased there. Dion's a nice guy, and I think he got a raw deal from his party, but I have to admit that his failure to rally the troops and his allowing the CPC to define the Green Shift as a tax-grab unopposed does reflect poorly on his leadership.

But I don't think this is an ego play by Dion. Look closely at the economic update; it's tailor-made to castrate the opposition by cutting all their funding, forcing anti-union legislation down the NDP's throats, screwing the Liberals with women voters by futzing with pay equity... Harper's bill was totally partisan, and short-sighted partisanship at that. (How would the CPC be able to woo anyone dependant upon the auto industry, or women, after that... and some day the CPC may need that funding.) If that update couldn't spark a coalition out of the opposition, then we wouldn't have had an opposition; we'd have had a doormat for one-party rule by a minority party.

Set aside your distaste for Dion because he's not going to be there much longer; the Liberals won't let him stay even if he wanted to.

-- Steve

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Yet Dion is leading the coalition...

But your right, this whole Budget thing was mean spiritedness by Harper.

However we did just have an election and I am in favor of letting the conservatives fuck things up in their own right. Mostly because they haven't had a chance yet, the liberals had the whole 90's to screw around, give someone else a turn.

 

[Stammer]

...Because we all want the carbon tax, right?

 

[liquiddark]

Stephen Harper and his circus of political clowns (and, by association, all of their supporters) lost any right to ***** about right and wrong when they tried to unseat the government by voting to take the day off not once but twice. Let me make the clear point here: If it was voteable, every Canadian would vote to take the day off. It's not a matter of confidence, and Harper proved how low he'd sink to make it such.

You want petty, irrelevant, utterly wrong governance, look no farther than the Conservatives. Harper broke his own election date legislation because he figured he could get a majority. He's nothing that I want in the leader of my country. The only reason he can win elections is because we have two parties (NDP and Liberal) that have the backbone to try and maintain their own identities instead of uniting for reasons of political expediency.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

...Because we all want the carbon tax, right?

Did you actually run the numbers? I would've been paying less in tax under the Green Shift, and even acccounting for price creep on carbon-intensive products I'd have come out ahead on the deal. So yes, I was willing to pay a carbon tax if it meant a bigger cut in my income tax too.

-- Steve

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Any political party named 'conservative' is not to be trusted. Remember Maragret Thatcher?

 

[Stammer]

Did you actually run the numbers? I would've been paying less in tax under the Green Shift, and even acccounting for price creep on carbon-intensive products I'd have come out ahead on the deal. So yes, I was willing to pay a carbon tax if it meant a bigger cut in my income tax too.

The carbon tax is a way for the rich to get richer. Just for the sake of example, if someone was making $1000 and their income tax was $400, the income tax is halved, so they only have to pay $200. Someone was making $500 and their income tax was $200, the income tax is halved, so they only have to pay $100. With the carbon tax, now both have to pay an additional $100.

On top of that, that's not even an accurate number. That's just an example. I've seen the numbers, and the carbon tax is actually a sorely bad thing.

 

[Stammer]

Canada was stunned Monday when it was announced that The Stanley Cup will be
awarded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, possibly as early as December 6th.

The cup will be stripped from from 2008 playoff champions the Detroit Red Wings
and be awarded to the Leafs, who didn't even make the playoffs.

How is this possible, Canadians ask?

Well, the Leafs have formed a coalition with eastern conference semifinalists
the Montreal Canadiens, and conference quarter finalists the Ottawa Senators,
now outnumbering the Red Wings.

According to current Leaf coach Ron Wilson "the Red Wings have lost the
confidence of the league and should hand the cup over immediately to our
coalition".

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman is cutting short a European trip to try to
resolve the unprecedented hockey crisis that could force a second playoff
series, or see an opposing team coalition take the cup.