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[Torkuda]

Ever feel like there are some things that are meant to divide people along certain lines? Essentially they're created purposefully to create a George Bush style, with us or against us mentality? I find these things obnoxious because they're often pretty big deals, like even cultural icons, and yet, you can only have one of two opinions about them. You either love that culture icon and what it stands for, or you hate it and what it stands for. It's just unthinkable for you to have a low opinion of the icon separate from what it stands for.

This is a problem I have with Wonder Woman. Yes, I even got a little of this here a while ago, when I was pointing out that real Amazonian Mythology WASN'T favorable to women, and that trying to use sticking to the myth as an excuse for bad writing, didn't work. Sure enough, for recognizing that Greek mythology called the Amazons uncivilized for not having male leadership, I was called sexist. Either A, folks really think that reporting what someone else believes means you yourself believe it, or B, Wonder Woman is not designed to be discussed. Seriously, that's why I hate her, she feels like part of a witch hunt. Either you like her, or your sexist.

I'm not saying icons like Wondy CAN'T be discussed by mature enough individuals, or that people easily set off by them are idiots. It just feels like some things entire purpose for existing is division.

Can you guys think of other icons in the media that seem to only exist for making fights?

 

[KissingSunlight]

Race, gender, and religious/morality issues are designed to keep people segregated. If people put aside their differences and see what is really keeping them down, we all would be overthrowing the government and dismantling corporations.

 

[Torkuda]

To a degree that's true. But I find it easier to discuss Anne Coulter than Wonder Woman, and Anne isn't exactly a controversy free figure.

With the right, "the terrorists" were the figure that could not be discussed, intelligently anyway. With the left, Obama, their freaking presidential candidate. Can't discuss a war enemy or can't discuss the leader of the country, promising... Again, Larry King, Rush Limbaugh, Robert Byrd, Collin Powell and to a lesser extent even George Bush can be discussed with some intelligence, but certain icons and people, nope. And those individuals no one can really discuss are getting more and more powerful by the day, or at least the issues around them are becoming more important.

With Wonder Woman, I honestly believe young girls need positive roll models that aren't sex objects... and seriously, a heroine in an outfit that has made just about every guy who's seen her have fantasies, doesn't qualify. No, her outfit is not the same as everyone elses, in fact it's kinda sub-par for a female super hero and that's saying a lot as girl super heores normally have to wear embarrassing "**ck me" clothes. I like Raven and Barda, or Rogue and Storm. Fleshed out characters whom are older and have their own back stories and even, be still my beating heart, dane to be fully clothed and over thirty! (Yea, yea, Raven is young in the Titans and Rogue was rebooted to be a teenager, whatever.) Heck I'll even throw Marvel a bone for creating the invisible woman as probably the most powerful character in the Fantastic Four... and then declaring that Richards was the most powerful, but baby steps people, baby steps.

 

[KissingSunlight]

I'm trying to get into Wonder Woman. She has a problem that other DC Comic characters have. They were written to be icons instead of being relatable characters. What people see with Wonder Woman is a female icon. Instead of female superhero with relatable flaws and problems.

 

[Torkuda]

I'm trying to get into Wonder Woman. She has a problem that other DC Comic characters have. They were written to be icons instead of being relatable characters. What people see with Wonder Woman is a female icon. Instead of female superhero with relatable flaws and problems.

I guess if you remove Diana from her women only island, miraculously better off than the rest of the world for that very reason (when the rules of procreation say a single gender nation would go extinct in a generation if that long, but whatever) and put her in a jumpsuit fitted like superman or batman (rather than a onsie most women I know would be embarrassed to wear to the beach), I have no real problem with her character and she has a decent power set.