Capitalism or Socialism choose a side and state your point

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EMFCRACKSHOT

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I think i'll stick with Fascism. Its the most effective, the most stable, provides a strong economy. You end up with a well eductated if somewhat ignorant populace. You end up with almost no crime too. It is the best system and everybody wins using it
 

Borrowed Time

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veloper said:
stinkychops said:
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veloper said:
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george144 said:
Anarchy's not chaos you know but rather a system where everyone would have complete and utter individual freedom, and all live happily side by side, being peaceful and free, urgh horrible.
No, that's Anarchy in a perfect world.
Anarchy is an inherently flawed system because people are inherently malicious and self-serving.
Which is exactly why none of the stated systems work. The systems aren't flawed, it's the people who are.
People were here FIRST, so it's the systems that are flawed.
Erm, but wouldn't that in and of itself prove that people are flawed because people created the systems? If people were not flawed then they would have created a perfect system or systems, no?
You've got him there, I doubt there'll be a response.
Well you two can share all the credit for socialism, fascism and the wrongs on the world for all I care, but leave the rest of us out of it.

Some people isn't the same as all people.
I'd have to say though, that if you don't want to be lumped in with the "some people" category, you're just as guilty then for not single handedly causing a revolution or leading a group to try to change the system. Apathy to a crime is generally thought to make you as bad as the criminal themselves.

P.S. If you're so perfect, then please lay out your system to educate the rest of us morons.
 

Martymer

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To the people having that "healthcare for everyone is bad for the gene pool" discussion: The people arguing that letting the "weak" survive and reproduce is a bad thing clearly don't get how natural selection works. They look at individuals, rather than the species as a whole. They also decide that a species is "better" if it consists of a few "strong" specimens, than many "weak" ones. While this could work, it's not "nature's ideal". Evolution has no goal. If it doesn't work, it dies out. Whatever works, works. How well it works is irrelevant, as long as it works well enough for the species to survive.

Humans, and other social animals as well (though not to the same extent), care for each other. This results in more individuals surviving. Yes, individuals that aren't "fit to reproduce" may do so, and pass "weak" genes on to the next generation, but that generation will be cared for as well. In fact, the number of humans who would survive alone (ie "viable specimens", by what seems to be some people's definition) is pretty damn low, but we are still one of the most successful species on the planet. This is because even those who are weak in one area (and would die without help to compensate for this shortcoming) can survive and use the good qualities they actually have. Someone with genes that cause cancer can still benefit society. Yes, he'll be a burden once that cancer breaks out, but until then, and afterwards if he's cured, he can benefit society with all the other qualities he has.

EDIT: Oh, on topic, I'm in the middle somewhere. Either extreme is bad. Capitalism means everyone's on their own, which creates a society that I wouldn't like to live in. Socialism, as has been said, breeds laziness. But it's perfectly possible to compromise.
 

Aardvark Soup

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Social-democracy, which is basically the combination of the two and the most succesfull state form so far in my opinion.
 

Vuljatar

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Warwolt said:
Vuljatar said:
Capitalism. You get what you pay for--or in this case, what you work for. It's only fair.

Socialism breeds laziness.
Aah, yes. Because lending he who've fallen down a hand, to help him get back on his feet to work again breeds laziness.
That's what charities are for. If welfare didn't leech so much money away from people who earned it, less people would "need" to go on welfare in the first place.

The problem with socialism is that if you're too lazy to work, you can just choose to force everyone who DOES work to pay your bills for you.
 

Hedberger

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Vuljatar said:
Warwolt said:
Vuljatar said:
Capitalism. You get what you pay for--or in this case, what you work for. It's only fair.

Socialism breeds laziness.
Aah, yes. Because lending he who've fallen down a hand, to help him get back on his feet to work again breeds laziness.
That's what charities are for. If welfare didn't leech so much money away from people who earned it, less people would "need" to go on welfare in the first place.

The problem with socialism is that if you're too lazy to work, you can just choose to force everyone who DOES work to pay your bills for you.
How exactly does more money to the people that have jobs help anyone else? Unless you put the welfare money into the healthcare or something like that.

And no you can't force anyone else to work for you. What gave you that impression? If someone is lazy and don't have any reason for it his/her colleagues will tell them to work because they don't want to do it all themselves. And capitalism doesn't make anyone more eager to work as i'm sure everyone who has worked can tell you.

In fact, if you want to throw out rare worst-case scenarios i guess i can do that as well. With capitalism you can get fired if you don't have the strenght to work as hard as always even if you've gotten raped and had your family killed.

But i guess some people will always think that accidents never happen and if someone doesn't have a job it's because they haven't tried hard enough.

Oh, and do tell us how someone that inherited his dads company has earned all his money.
 

Tossth Esalad

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Putting capitalism and socialism up against each other doesn't really cover the whole political spectrum.

In my opinion, using the purebred forms of either is useless outside of theoretical pondering. The "true" form of goverment is to be found somewhere in between, preferably smack in the middle.

Even better would be a diverse goverment, consisting of a variety of partys, each with it's own mix of capitalism and socialism (I'd prefer using left/right wing, but I'll just stick to the OP's choice of words). The dispersion of mandates/seats/what ever should ofcourse correlate to the political make-up of the general public.

Come to think of it, I've characterized the structurization of my own goverment. I'll save my self some time and just refer the interested to this. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Denmark].
 

The Enclave 86

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Capitalism because the money a man earns through honest work is his and his alone. If a man has made his money honestly and by the law then he can do with it what he wants because he has earned it and no one should have the right to take it from him.
 

Vuljatar

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Hedberger said:
Oh, and do tell us how someone that inherited his dads company has earned all his money.
His dad earned the money, and chose to pass it on to his son. What's wrong with that?
 

Whiskyjakk

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thiosk said:
it is my opinion that most of the people who cheerlead for socialism really just says that to be popular with girls majoring in political science.
... and it is my opinion that most of the people who cheerlead for capitalism are just trying to score with girls/guys majoring in economics.

On topic, I think that a mixed economy such as those of the European states during the economic boom of the post WW2 period is the kindest and most efficient system as it combines the motivation of capitalist wage scales with the safety net of the state to prevent vast inequalities of wealth that harm everyone.

However, I don't think any economic system is good for all circumstances. The mixed economies seem to pump money out of the welfare state during a depression for instance. Pure communism, capitalism or mixed economies socialism should be adapted to fit economic trends and levels of development as appropriate.
 

Socius

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socialism is better I believe, it makes sure that everyone have their medical, financial and other need fufilled and not only the rich ones! though you have to pay a higher tax i belive that is a fair price for a better life!Comunism is even better! though there has never been any real comunism bacause all the leaders, Stalin, lenin, gorbatjov and co missused their power and failed to create the needed balance for sharing everything alike amongst the people! if the marked is free but the crucial things are controlled by the state, such as here in Norway, that balance can be hold! but who noes how long it will last?... even democracy will fall one day, hopefully to the hands of anarchy! but not before human has learned how to behave siviliced even though not bound by law and punishments! when "duchbagness" is exterminated and everything is peace and love then anarchy will be a dream wicth came real! I however don't think man ever, ever will learn to behave and don't go around killing, stealing, scaming, raping and such! so let's just hope we get srong leaders who has balls enough to keep things as clean as humanly possible! wicth still is gray!... what topic was this thread again? xD my mind tend to wander off! n_n lets just hope somthing I just blaffed out made sense