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erttheking said:
Yes clearly. All those positive reviews were lies and the reviewers secretly hated the film but they gave it positive reviews purely because of fan boys. You got their number.
Come now, ert. Yo know they didn't even watch the movie. The scores are clearly based on how quickly the payoff checks cleared.
 

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inu-kun said:
Because that's the only logical possibility. Out of the 90 reviewers that covered it, only 5 aren't appealing to fanboys. Them genuinely enjoying the film and not agreeing with you on it having problems isn't possible at all. Oh and they do talk about problems. A fresh review does not automatically equal a flawless one, but I guess you didn't check that.

Also "Deal with it." Really? If you're going to try and shoot me down, can you please not use dated memes in order to do it?
 

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I've just seen it and it's... okay. Some good bits here and there, with a good amount of humor, but overall it's a tad flimsy. For the sake of good family fun, and wanting to keep every character alive for the prospect of future movies, there is yet again little tension or stakes to speak of. Again no one on the heroes' side dies and it has seriously deflated my engagement at this point.
 

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inu-kun said:
Also what's the idea with the "black lives matter more" in the film? Hundreads of east europeans dead because of Stark but apperantly one black guy is what drives him over the edge, and 19 black people dead is enough to make the UN want to disable the Avengers (in a mission to prevent the spread of biological fucking weapons) rather then the world ending event caused by one of them?

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inu-kun said:
So now film journalism became game journalism and cares more for appeasing fanboys over actual reviews?
Yes clearly. All those positive reviews were lies and the reviewers secretly hated the film but they gave it positive reviews purely because of fan boys. You got their number.
Deal with it, the world isn't in a vacuum, and a lot of reviews will appeal to fanboys rather then talk about the problems with the film.
Okay,at this point I have to question whether or not you are trolling, because those are two very dumb statements. First off, nobody said black lives matter more, that is your own seeming "white people should matter more" view of things. These "Sokovia Accords" (note, named after the mostly white European nation) have obviously been in the works since the Sokovia incident, and the event in Lagos was just one more to add onto the list. I'm not sure who the "one black guy" is supposed to be, but if you're talking about being confronted by the mother of someone that died as a consequence of his actions and all you see is her skin color, then that's on you.

If you had actually read any of the reviews you would see that nearly all of them talk about the issues in the movie, all movies have issues, however they still enjoyed it. Your assertion that they would only give it good reviews to appeal to the "fanboys" just reveals your own fanboyism. Plus, I'm willing to bet that the 5 people that gave it a "rotten" score so far have seen double the traffic of the positive ones.
 

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You mean Tony Stark who in his last appearances, chronologically:
1. Told the goverment to suck it (Iron Man 2).
2. Gave terrorists his home address and challenged to take them on himself (Iron Man 3)
3. Without telling the rest of the team created AI to save the world and done it AGAIN to create another AI to beat the previous one? (Ultron).

To this guy becoming a goverment yes men after an angry black woman scowled at him is just pure retcon rather then "character development".
Did you WATCH the movie, THAT was not the reason, he actually sits down and him and Cap have a discussion about the real motivations behind why he wants to have government oversight, to put it in simple terms for the people who didn't watch the movie or chose just to ignore it, it's because he wanted to build a future for him and Pepper Pots and he saw this course of action as the best choice and given how he has changed as well as the events he has been through in Avengers, Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron it actually makes a fair amount of sense.

I would put CW at maybe 75% and BvS in a 70-75% range.
70-75 IF

1). They evened out Lex his motivations and why the hell is doing anything, watched the whole movie and still can't work out what the fuck he was all about.
2). MARTHA, I GOT TO SAVE MARTHA! really? really? I know that the Marvel movies aren't the best written movies in the world but I would have to think hard to find anything even half as stupid as that scene in any of their movies.
3). CW had 10 or more supers in it and they handle the screen time far better than anything BvsS did, I mean what was that whole flash drive supers caught on camera non sense all about and why the fuck did they us some new guy to play the Flash, it's meant to be a DCCU at least us the fucking guy who plays him in the TV series... you know the TV series producer by WB TV.

On reflection I am kind of warming to the bad guy in Civil War, think about it all the bad guys have either been super hero's, had some super ability, been part of a big bad organisation or in the case of Loki all three to have some random guy be the bad guy is a bit different and he sums that up with his last line in the movie, where he tells Black Panther that some normal guy can't fight a Superhero but if you get them to fight themselves. Oh some of the details of who he does this still sit in the a bit stupid and the key to it all still seems to be him knowing something long before he actually found out about the thing he needed to know but yeah a bit different.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
I've just seen it and it's... okay. Some good bits here and there, with a good amount of humor, but overall it's a tad flimsy. For the sake of good family fun, and wanting to keep every character alive for the prospect of future movies, there is yet again little tension or stakes to speak of. Again no one on the heroes' side dies and it has seriously deflated my engagement at this point.
Yeah, I feel pretty much the same way, I liked the movie, it was OK but the fact that nobody died killed my interest, specially when they did the Rhodie thing, seriously? He survived that, sure whatever he's paralysed but the man wears a robotic suit of armour, we all know that ain't going to stop him, at this point I'm getting really tired of the lack of tension in these movies, and the fact that they did the letter thing instead of letting them go their separate ways completely lowered the tension even more because they aren't even as broken up as the film wanted us to believe.
To be honest I feel like I'm just watching Marvel movies at this point because I've watched all of them so far and it feels like it's too late to stop now.
 

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Kaleion said:
Yeah, I feel pretty much the same way, I liked the movie, it was OK but the fact that nobody died killed my interest, specially when they did the Rhodie thing, seriously? He survived that, sure whatever he's paralysed but the man wears a robotic suit of armour, we all know that ain't going to stop him, at this point I'm getting really tired of the lack of tension in these movies, and the fact that they did the letter thing instead of letting them go their separate ways completely lowered the tension even more because they aren't even as broken up as the film wanted us to believe.
To be honest I feel like I'm just watching Marvel movies at this point because I've watched all of them so far and it feels like it's too late to stop now.
Even if Rhodie had died, it would've been, like, 'Who gives a shit?' That guy is an insulary buddy character. I totally expected him to die based on the trailer footage to give the plot some easily manufactured tension. But even that didn't happen.

I had significant hopes for this movie, since I figured as they're going to fight eachother we'll get a genuine tipping point now -- old relationships are shattered, new ones are forged, drama finally sets in, but nope.

And yeah, you'd think after finding out Bucky killed his parents and that Cap knew, Tony would seriously draw a line in the sand. But he seemed to have gotten over that right quick after that fight to the death. Need to keep that lighthearted humor rolling.

Oh yeah, and the genuis mastermind was just some random soldier guy who lost his family. Big whoop. He certainly was worth stopping the pacing dead in its tracks every 20 minutes.

This movie felt like maybe half a step above the complete and utter fluff that was Age of Ultron. I'm not gonna even tilt my head toward the MCU anymore until either Guardians 2 comes out, or until I get a guarantee one of the big players actually dies.