Captin America, Is it really that good?

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irani_che

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Anyone else thinks that MovieBob overdoes it about Captain America?
I thought it was one of the most boring avengers so far,
Steve Rogers is clearly a very nice guy (Mr Rogers, anyone?) and he did has a few set pieces to show off bravery but in terms of making him a hero, that bis pretty much like in Green Lantern, but not as interesting.
Compare this to Thor, with his arrogance being used to best him, and then be punished and forced to reclaim his immortality by learning Humility.
Or Iron Man, Stark forced to rethink his responsibility to the world and in Iron Man 2 fight his destructive dependencies to booze and nuclear power in his chest cavity.
Or Hulk, coming to grips with his darker side. His character arc is not so much an arc but a hyphen -
and not just the characters, but the world around them
Thor was full of intrigue of Loki's discovery's and his duplicitous machinations, Or in Iron Man, ever other friend Tony had tried to cheat him out of the suit. The biggest twist or shock moment in the movie was Red skulls reveal which we saw in the second trailer
My biggest peeve was just how tame it is, minimal explosions or fights, hell at one point they go inglorious basterds and blow up factories all over europe, and how do they show this? a 30 second scene of them driving with various fireballs, like it wasnt interested. Perhaps this was a limitation due to the character being just a normal guy on super-steroids with a fancy shield to bop people on the head with. Seriously, Scarlet Johanssen in Iron Man two looks more kickass that Steve Namby Pamby Rogers at this point. He didnt even beat red skull. if you watch it, the cube backfired on him.


Before Anyone brings it up, I am british but I love the states, lived there for a bit and want to move back. But this movie was boring and the hero was anything but super
 

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Steve Rogers' big thing is that he is a man living 60 years after his time. The world is completely different than the one he left, but to him it felt like an instant. All his family and everyone he knew is either extremely old, or dead. Culture shock doesn't even begin to cover it. Unfortunately, since Captain America takes place during WWII, this doesn't come into play.

And I think you missed the part where Steve takes a bunch of POWs who had never met before and turns them into a commando force that makes the Third Reich (and HYDRA) shit it's lederhosen. His powers don't come from the serum, that just lets him keep up. It's his leadership and strategy that makes him super.
 

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As someone who paid full price to see the movie twice and who isn't even a patriotic American citizen; yes. Yes it is.
 

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I really enjoyed Captain America, I thought they nailed the 1940's style perfectly, it was great aesthetically, even the Hydra superweapons (all based off real Nazi designs) somehow fitted in to the setting believably.
I also appreciated the whole theme at the start about being able to carry the supersoldier power responsibly and justly, it didn't seem too preachy to me, and Red Skull being the opposite of that.

I kinda get your point about their attacks across Europe on Hydra being summarised in the shortest montage ever, but there was plenty of time given to the explosive prison break, and the final assault on the Hydra headquarters

But then the best superhero movie I ever saw in cinema's was Wolverine Origins, so what do I know?
 

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I liked Captain America... don't get me wrong. I paid full price to see it in theaters, and even bought the Blu-Ray. It's an entertaining movie.

That said, I'm inclined to agree with irani_che here. Of the Avengers movies released so far it probably is my overall least favorite (though I admit I didn't see Hulk's movie).

I really didn't feel anything at all for Steve, as there's really no character arc for him at all. I can understand why, given that he's supposed to be 'super' because of his rock-solid, unshakable character and ideals. I get it. But because of the way the movie was filmed, it left me feeling like we'd never actually gotten to know the guy at all. The scenes where they tried to go a little deeper into his emotions ended up just feeling kinda shallow... tacked on at the last minute.

Then there was the issue of pacing. Like mentioned above, the action montage just felt kind of... wrong... to me. It felt like they had this much, much bigger story they wanted to tell, but didn't want to split the story into two parts like they did with Iron Man, so instead what we got was the condensed version. If they had split it into two movies they could have fleshed out their action scenes that we only saw clips of in one movie, then they could have given us previously-mentioned in this thread culture shock that they barely even touched upon in another movie.

I dunno. That's just the way I see it. I think it was good, but it could have been great if only they had stretched it out to two films.
 

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Redlin5 said:
As someone who paid full price to see the movie twice and who isn't even a patriotic American citizen; yes. Yes it is.
It was worth seeing twice. And then buying the DVD. And watching it a lot.

I enjoyed it. I'll admit there were a few moments, like the super ultra explosion-tastic montage, where there was a bit of a disconnect for me, because blowing up all those hydra bases could have been a film unto itself, but couldn't be because Captain America had to function as a trailer for the Avengers too. It's a minor point in what I felt was a great film though. I loved the aesthetic and the characters, the story made me care and the villain was campy and pantomime sinister, and that worked well. An overly serious nemesis wouldn't have been as fun I don't think.
 

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Saw it in theater last summer even waited during the end credits for that awesome Avengers teaser. (Missed the last bus home because of that though) I loved the 1940s style they captured it perfectly, the entire setting was just great. Hugo Weaving was basicly born to be The Red Skull and I loved all those hydra superweapons.

While it isn't my favorite of the The Avengers prequels, I would consider it a close second with Iron Man being number one and Thor being number three.
 

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irani_che said:
Anyone else thinks that MovieBob overdoes it about Captain America?
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In my opinion Cap' was a good movie, but nothing really special. There were boring moments, T.L.Jones played a little like "Jaysus, wtf i'm playing here ?". And that leaves Weaving as main force behind this project. I'm not sure if this movie would be interesting without him...
Also, Bucky and his fate... The hell ?
My wife liked it quite much, but not as much as "Thor". ;)

On the side note : I don't like Movie Bob's reviews because of his attitude towards some movies. Too personal i guess. ;)
 

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I'm British and I like the film although I did know him from the comic more. I like Steve Rogers since his portrayer is that he was genuie a selfless and a courageous man (he didn't sign up to kill some Nazi, he just hated bullies). In another word, he is envision of what a superhero should be (heroic and stand for truth and justice).
 

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Redlin5 said:
As someone who paid full price to see the movie twice and who isn't even a patriotic American citizen; yes. Yes it is.
Damn right. I did the exact same. For me at least, it hit all the right buttons. I love retro camp, as well as Dieselpunk Science Fiction, so the movie was just the right blend for me to fall in love with it.

Also, one of the big draws for me was that for a change, the Cap DIDN'T have to overcome personal demons like the other Marvel heroes. He was a hero from the start, and his honesty and good nature become a major point when they are compared with zee eevil Hydra!
 

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I loved it, movie was pure awesomeness. At first I was kind of skeptical of Chris Evans playing Steve Rogers, but I thought he did a great job.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Also, one of the big draws for me was that for a change, the Cap DIDN'T have to overcome personal demons like the other Marvel heroes. He was a hero from the start, and his honesty and good nature become a major point when they are compared with zee eevil Hydra!
That was a problem for me,
Steve Rogers has absolutely no character other than "I am such a nice guy and all"

and something about him using nothing as a weapon but a bloody shield, I mean really,how the hell didn he not get shot? I dont mind realism stretching within a comic book but when i see him and think i could kill him with a pistol he loses his cool-ness. The entire raid involved nazis standing around waiting for him to run up with a lump of metal poorly designed for attacking
massive hammers, energy jets on hands, a big guy who uses everything and anything as a club, a ginger ninja and a dude with a bow, the Capt looks under equipped in the group.

Ordinaryundone said:
And I think you missed the part where Steve takes a bunch of POWs who had never met before and turns them into a commando force that makes the Third Reich (and HYDRA) shit it's lederhosen. His powers don't come from the serum, that just lets him keep up. It's his leadership and strategy that makes him super.
Yeah, also how he snook in and turned these guys who clearly arent that good or they wouldnt be in the prison factory and made them into a super force with even less character than the capt himself
but this might be because in retrospect they were made to be a bunch of stereotypes and the more marvel showed them the more it would show.
but moving on, I just can not buy the whole

He is just that good and The serum made him just that strong and fast that he could kick so much ass
 

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Among the Marvel Superhero movies, I wouldn't call it the worst, but I also wouldn't call it the best either. I enjoyed it and thought it was a great movie as well, but I just couldn't get by what they did to Bucky. I'm not expecting them to follow each comic to the letter, especially after what they did to Fury, but Bucky is the only one they changed around completely.

I can understand the idea of a child soldier might not be the most glamorus thing in the eyes of moviegoers, but at least don't make Bucky, the kid who looks up to Rogers like a father figure, into a big strong soldier who spends his time looking out for Rogers during his weak and defenseless times.
 

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irani_che said:
Anyone else thinks that MovieBob overdoes it about Captain America?
I thought it was one of the most boring avengers so far,
Steve Rogers is clearly a very nice guy (Mr Rogers, anyone?) and he did has a few set pieces to show off bravery but in terms of making him a hero, that bis pretty much like in Green Lantern, but not as interesting.
Compare this to Thor, with his arrogance being used to best him, and then be punished and forced to reclaim his immortality by learning Humility.
Or Iron Man, Stark forced to rethink his responsibility to the world and in Iron Man 2 fight his destructive dependencies to booze and nuclear power in his chest cavity.
Or Hulk, coming to grips with his darker side. His character arc is not so much an arc but a hyphen -
and not just the characters, but the world around them
Thor was full of intrigue of Loki's discovery's and his duplicitous machinations, Or in Iron Man, ever other friend Tony had tried to cheat him out of the suit. The biggest twist or shock moment in the movie was Red skulls reveal which we saw in the second trailer
My biggest peeve was just how tame it is, minimal explosions or fights, hell at one point they go inglorious basterds and blow up factories all over europe, and how do they show this? a 30 second scene of them driving with various fireballs, like it wasnt interested. Perhaps this was a limitation due to the character being just a normal guy on super-steroids with a fancy shield to bop people on the head with. Seriously, Scarlet Johanssen in Iron Man two looks more kickass that Steve Namby Pamby Rogers at this point. He didnt even beat red skull. if you watch it, the cube backfired on him.


Before Anyone brings it up, I am british but I love the states, lived there for a bit and want to move back. But this movie was boring and the hero was anything but super
I dunno if I'd go so far as to say Thor was "full of intrigue." If you could take one look at Loki and not think "This guy will probably betray them at some point," you must either be naive or very unfamiliar with the way stories work. To me, Thor was a coming of age story. Thor was a spoiled brat an he felt indestructible. Then he's sent to earth, and he has to learn to solve his problems with his words and relationships with others rather than his powers. He's forced to think about people and opponents with his thoughts and his empathy, instead of swinging his hammer at everything he can.

I see Captain America's strength in that he doesn't get caught up in the "glory" of battle, he just sees fighting as the means to an end. You'll notice when he's fighting he rarely kills people, he just puts them out for a while with his shield. He said it himself: he doesn't like bullies. He'll do what he has to if he must, but he's not going to revel in it or cause unnecessary trouble along the way.

Because of that, your whole "didn't beat the Red Skull" thing doesn't make much sense. Just look at his character--his goal wasn't to "beat" the Red Skull. He didn't want revenge, or the glory of taking him out himself. His goal was to stop him. If killing him is what it took I'm sure he would have made that decision if it came down to that, but at that point he still saw other options. Then the Red Skull took it too far with the cube, and burnt himself up.

I just don't get how you can call him a "namby pamby" if he can march right into one of Red Skull's bases on his own, release all the prisoners, take down the base, and get them all back to their camp safely. The kid's got balls of steel, he just doesn't wave them around as much as the other Avengers.
 

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Redlin5 said:
As someone who paid full price to see the movie twice and who isn't even a patriotic American citizen; yes. Yes it is.
Same here. And then I got it on Blu Ray.

I really have to disagree with OP here, who seems to think every superhero has to have terrible defects. The humble qualities of Steve Rogers are what I like the most about him. Unlike most of all the other heroes, he didn't have to wait until some traumatic experience sent him into the right path. He was a great man since the beginning. He didn't need to be put into a terrible problem to see the errors of his way. He volunteered because, exactly the opposite of the other ones, he wanted to be a hero, but he lacked the means.

I don't belong to that portion of viewers/readers who believe all heroes should have constant psychological problems. I like to believe some people will just stand up to injustice whenever they can and not only after they are affected by it first-hand. That's the same reason I like Superman as a character. Neither him not the Captain depended of having had a bad day to turn their lives around. They chose to be like they are, and that's what makes them the natural leaders of their respective hero teams.

P.S.: I actually like all those other heroes too, like Iron Man, Thor, or Batman, but for different reasons.
 

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I thought it was of quality, as in good, but I don't think it was as good as Bob says. I generally don't agree with his opinions though his analysis of certain movies are entertaining.
 

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Not saying it was the best avengers movie according to my taste but I liked it.
I am a pretty big fan of superhero movies and I think they are all pretty equal.
 

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Compare it to the Hulk (Ed Norton version), Iron Man (original only), Thor (I guess) and any of the X-Men and Spiderman movies, and Captain America comes near rock bottom. I am not impressed, he should have stayed as Johnny the Human Torch. Was very surprised when I heard this and has to rewind the video when I heard MovieBob say 'a really really good movie'. I would argue Xmen: The Last Stand even trumps it, and I was sad when I saw that. Its probably better than Wolverine though. I mean, Howard the Duck was.