Casting Captain Marvel
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There's also the fact that Dormer was already in 'First Avenger' ...serving with the SSR in WW2.Darth Rosenberg said:
That wouldn't necessarily be a deal-breaker but for even a moderately known actress in the MCU fans are going to recognize her, notice that she's the same age as Peggy Carter and then promptly filp their shit.
Ah, yeah, the flirty Steve Rogers fangirl - I completely forgot. She makes a good case there for not being Captain Marvel in that cameo, too, given her American accent just never sounds tolerable.Wereduck said:
Steve Rogers wasn't Captain America in the comics for the first of his two movies, yet they made them. There really is no reason to skip straight to Carol Danvers for Captain Marvel.undeadsuitor said:
Spider-Man, Peter Parker, briefly held the Uni-power and became Captain Universe.
As to Nextwave, I hated that comic series and will never understand its popularity. The only time I liked them was when they were killed off screen during Marvel Zombies vs. Army of Darkness #3.
Which to me is a shame when there are others who would fit the role in the MCU far better.Saelune said:
I'd actually like to see WWE wrestler Dana Brooke (real name Ashley Mae Sebera) in the role. She's got an extensive gymnastics and body-building background, she's blonde, attractive and put together - with bigger arms than most men. Don't know about her acting ability though. I'd say being a wrestler requires a modicum of acting ability but for every Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson and Dave Bautista you get a Mike "The Miz" Mizannin or Dolph Ziggler. At 5'3" she's also a little short, but she could wear lifts.
all of whom are male (this matters although you probably believe otherwise), started almost a decade ago in the MCU and are playing parts like Iron Man or Fury which don't require them to have the same sort of look as Captain America or Captain Marvel.undeadsuitor said:
Probably not going to happen because of her being Mockingbird in AoS, but I wouldn't mind seeing Adrianne Palicki in that role.
Another option would be Rebecca Romijn. She has the looks, and after seeing her in The Librarians, I think she can completely pull off the role of competent former military woman...
Another option would be Rebecca Romijn. She has the looks, and after seeing her in The Librarians, I think she can completely pull off the role of competent former military woman...
Yes, but Captain Americas origin is quite staunchly rooted in WW2, there was no choice but to make it Steve Rogers. I think they probably just went with Danvers because that was the choice they felt was the most fun, the mantle of Captain Marvel/Mar-Vel has had so many wearers that it contains almost zero iconography to a specific character, especially when DCs Captain Marvel is/was the more iconic(I'll be in the cold cold ground before I recognize him as Shazam, ugh), Captain America, while not as popular as say, Spider-Man, his iconography is still Steve Rogers, not whoever was Cap at the time. Beyond personal preference, is there anyone you could really say IS Captain Marvel in the same way Peter Park IS Spider-Man, or Bruce Wayne IS Batman, even though other characters have taken up the mantle of those characters from time to time(or possessed by freaky deaky cephalopod inclined doctors)?votemarvel said:
I think you're going too much into "what does this offer to feminism?" angle though, because I can't imagine that's where they're coming from either. Plus Rambeau is Spectrum now unless anything changed.
On topic, Katie Sahkoff. I haven't actually read a lot of Captain Marvel, so I'm just going off her performance in BSG and other tough women roles. Anyone fill me in on why Charlize Theron seems to be a fan favourite? I like Theron, just not someone I would've personally thought of as Captain Marvel.
I think because Charlize falls into the "Hot, blonde, badass, good actress" category, so they think she should have the role. Sadly, considering Marvel's plans for a long standing movie career with this, I think they are keeping their eyes on a younger actress, who could age into the role more easily over time, instead of a middle aged woman already. And sadly both Katie Sahkoff and Charlize Theron would likely fall into the "she's too old for this franchise" category in the eyes of Hollywood, despite how good they might handle the role.elvor0 said:
But honestly, I don't mind that much. If you are sizing up a potential 10+ year movie franchise, possibly even 20+ years of the character's involvement in the movies, it's sensible to go for a younger actor/actress for the role, so you have less worry about unforeseen deaths due to illness or age, etc.
As long as they get an actress who can act well, and can give the character depth and engagement, and can make me empathize with her struggle, I don't really care who they get for the role. And also write a good damn script too, that's always important. Good actors can only do so much with a shit script.
can i just point out how odd it is that every time people discuss potential casting for this role, nearly everyone suggests actresses in their thirties? and Theron is in her forties now.
according to the comics, Carol Danvers is supposed to be one of the youngest officers in US history. and perhaps more importantly, this role is going to be portrayed over the course of a decade, if not longer.
it needs to go to someone like Jennifer Lawrence, Brie Larson, or Margot Robbie.
according to the comics, Carol Danvers is supposed to be one of the youngest officers in US history. and perhaps more importantly, this role is going to be portrayed over the course of a decade, if not longer.
it needs to go to someone like Jennifer Lawrence, Brie Larson, or Margot Robbie.
Probably because her young age is not a prominent part of her character, like in the case of Peter Parker, Amadeus Cho or Johnny Storm. She is considered young by military standards, but not by comic book standards. In fact, most current comics place her well in her thirties, a lot closer to Tony Stark than to Kamala Khan.Vykrel said:
If those are the choices, I would prefer Brie Larson (in fact, I thought I heard the rumor that she was casted for the role). I still haven't seen anything with Robbie that convinces me she can act outside of her "hot pinup girl" persona, and Lawrence seems so f*cking bored of being in X-Men and Hunger Games I want her out of anything with "popular appeal".
Wait... Sackhoff is 36. Is that "too old" now?Happyninja42 said:
By comparison, Downey is 51, Boseman is 39, Cheadle is 51, Johansson is 31, Hemsworth is 32, Mackie is 37 and Evans is 35. I think if we are going to worry about "they might die of old age before they can finish the franchise", there are a lot of people before in that conga line.
I was about to say I imagine Theron in a more hands off badass kind of role, hence why I opted for Sackhoff but then looking through her filmography she does indeed have hands on badass roles, I just haven't seen them. So er yeah, they're both pretty eligible then.Happyninja42 said:
I dunno about that one, the guys in the marvel movies are all on the middling age side, Downy clocks in at 51. Sackhoff is only 36 and Theron doesn't even look 40. Chris Evens has been there for a while sure, but he's 35 now, 1 year less than Sackhoff and he still made the collective female audiences tingle in Civil War, which I think he would've done even if he'd just been cast.Happyninja42 said:
I think Marvel seem to be more interested in "who is the best and most engaging actor for this role?". /All/ of the avengers/MCU characters really seem to adore their roles, Downy in particular being more Tony Stark than Tony Stark, you get someone that's ready to fully become their role and the rest will fall into place.
Yeah I understand the idea here, I just personally don't think it's an issue with the aforementioned guys all being middle age. I know you said they've aged into the role, but I don't think starting older would be an issue.Happyninja42 said:
Agreed, this is the most important thing above all else. She needs to have presence, especially (in my opinion) on the heels of Gadots rather underwhelming Wonder Woman, they have an opportunity to hopefully break new ground for female superheroes in cinema and on the screen in general, it having been a long time since the original WW tv series and DCs Supergirl series being.....ooh boy.. nevermind their recent WW pilot.Happyninja42 said:
The age rule doesn't apply as readily to men in Hollywood. This is a pretty common statement from the actress community. I've seen at least half a dozen articles from big name actresses, being told they were "too old" to play a role, sometimes even roles they were biologically close to the real world characters age. Johansson herself said once that she's approaching the age in Hollywood where the only roles you get are "Mom", so she's milking this "Hot Sexy Action Star" role for as long as she can, and she's only 31 apparently.hermes said:
Downey doesn't count, because he's specifically playing a character who is by design, middle aged. And again, the age rule doesn't apply evenly across the sexes. And Evans is 35, but he was 29-30 when he first got the Captain America role, which is still pretty young (young enough for a male lead in hollywood). He can easily be in his physical prime for a decades worth of films, even more, as evidenced by what we've seen so far.
As to the "they might die" rationale, that is just one of many I proposed. I think it's reasonable in the mindset of "We're going to have them be doing a very physical role for hopefully a decade or more, let's get em young so we can milk that physical prime as long as we can." Thus, you go for younger. Granted, the "so they don't die" is in my mind one of the latter thoughts that probably crossed their mind, and that it's likely motivated primarily by the "get em young to milk that physical prime longer" rationale.
But the fact is, actresses younger than Charlize and Katie have been told they are "too old" for roles that they would likely be just fine for, so I doubt we will see them simply based on their age, regardless of how stupid I think that reason is.
We're likely going to get an early 20's actress who looks a bit older than she is.
Again, they don't apply the age rule evenly across the sexes. So while it's perfectly fine to have a middle aged man play a young and vibrant role, the trend in Hollywood seems to be that if you had a woman of the same age bracket as say Robert Downey Jr., she's not going to get the role of an action movie franchise lead. She's just not. She's going to get the role of the "Mom" of that action star. For example, Marrisa Tormei, being the Aunt May to the new Spiderman. I could easily see her playing some role of an action woman, but instead, they gave her the "Mom" role for the 19 year old kid playing Spidey. And while I'm 100% in favor of having her play a younger, hotter Aunt May (love me some MILFS, and love me some Marrisa Tormei specifically), even though she's likely in the same age bracket as Downey, she's just not going to get a role like that.elvor0 said:
Now sure, there are exceptions to this, one offs like that Salma Hayek movie where she's a prostitute stuck in a reenactment of The Raid, and Hellen Mirren in the RED and RED 2 movies, but they are without a doubt, the exception that proves the rule.
It sucks that Hollywood thinks that way, but apparently they do.
Weirdly in the comics she never holds the rank of Captain, outside of maybe a flashback story. She is first introduced as Major Carol Danvers in the original Captain Marvel book, and later in some stories named as Lt. Colonel Danvers. (Which always seemed weird as the Ms. Marvel book started with her retirement from the service as a Major, and her going to work for Jonah Jameson's new Magazine.)hermes said:
And I thought Brie Larson was confirmed for the role? Heck if you look at some pics of her she is dead on perfect. There are pictures of her in a black dress with her hair down that you would swear just stepped off the comic page.
As for Charlize Theron? I'm really hoping they are saving her up for something spectacular. She plays a great villain as well as a good hero. I'm thinking someone like Moonstone would be perfect for her. And even though everybody missed it, Captain America Civil War quietly left some pieces on the table. It left Baron Helmut Zemo, alive, under arrest, under the control of General Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross, in the Raft Secret Prison. With Ross seeking a government sponsored super team that he can control. The MCU has just gotten back the Spider-Man stuff. So Norman Osborne and The Beetle are available. All they need is a Pink haired girl who can sing and the Thunderbolts are ready to go. Marvel's Suicide Squad if you will. And a main Thunderbolt character is super prison psychiatrist Dr. Karla Soren. AKA Moonstone. Theron would be perfection in that role. And she is Carol Danver's Nemesis.