I was actually going to suggest that. I would also love if they did some of Lovecraft's deities, like Cthulhu and Yog-Sothoth.Skratt said:
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Scorpid said:Did I say that? No. You brought that up. So let's now examine that ans see how wrong you are.1337mokro said:Sigh... So it's okay if gamers get offended when Samus takes a character turn that they don't appreciate, but a religion getting offended that their gods, that they hold as absolute truth, are getting put into a fighting game where they can lose to another religions god is just them being bitchy and not knowing that they've already lost?rcs619 said:LOLfelbot said:
Oh I had a good laugh when I read that.
But seriously people stop being butthurt over a game. First of all it's not slandering your religion it's just using figures as heroes. Second of all your religion is not protected from slander.
I can say anything I want about it whenever I want to. So please, go cry in the corner silently.
Personally I can see their point and sort of agree with them, I certainly wouldn't want to see my mother or father or some other person I hold near and dear getting their face beaten in by someone as a game. Though Hindus and Buddhists getting together for something isn't at all surprising for anyone that has studied Indian history for more then five minutes.
When those gamers raised hell, what were their complaints. "Samus is made into a completely different character than previous games" or "The way Samus bows down to Adam is down right disgusting".
What they didn't say was "Because we believe Samus is a Supreme almighty Goddess she should never be used in any media unless it is depicted according to our very narrow standards of what is correct".
You compare a religious group complaining about their deities being used in a commercial product which they perceive as slanderous with a group of gamers who didn't like changes made between games.
Just to give you a personal opinion here.
What I didn't like about Other M was the abusive relationship between our two main characters, culminating in a stand off where a woman gets shot for being "disobedient".
Yay feminism!
Either that was a sarcasm post or you are a complete moron. You call me a hypocrite because I say someone should go cry in the corner. Then say I should do the same because I don't allow them to say whatever they want?AnarchistFish said:
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Nah, I played the hell out of FFX. It's the difference between generality and specifics. I take it you were never raised in or around orthodox religions. The depiction of the deity(ies) itself is sacred, and while the church, or religion, can be questioned, the godhead is absolute. Attacking that is a literal attack against the base of the religion, against the base of the person who believes in it.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
See that's not fair. Alot of the Hindu and Shinto gods have six or more arms. I call unfair advantage.Paragon Fury said:
Also what this guy says. We're all stuck on this Earth together and we're going to be here for a long time, if we're going to be so paper thin about how much we hate each other it's going to be a very long time. I agree that the freedom of speech for the developers should be repressed, but these people are practicing THEIR freedom of speech by saying that they don't like how their Gods are being portrayed and are asking that it be changed. Christ, everyone is in favor of freedom of speech until someone says something that they don't like. In reality this is no different from Retake Mass Effect, people are allowed to protest. When people come across something they don't like their default response isn't to stick their head into the ground and ignore it. It's like the argument "if you don't like it, don't play it" which is basically another way of saying "stop complaining about things I like". Criticism exists and you have to deal with it. Jesus, people can't complain about anything in the modern world without being called (A zealot/controlling/entitled/arrogant/ a fanboy)Frozengale said:
He called you a hypocrite for calling people butthurt over it, and then saying that you can say whatever you want about their religion. So in other words you said that you can say whatever you want about their religion, but they should shut up and stop complaining or rather they should "stop being butthurt"...yeah that kinda is hypocritical. "I said that whilst they have the right to say anything, their words carry no weight"...no you did not say that. Also you are being fairly insulting.1337mokro said:Either that was a sarcasm post or you are a complete moron. You call me a hypocrite because I say someone should go cry in the corner. Then say I should do the same because I don't allow them to say whatever they want?AnarchistFish said:
Guess what I never said they shouldn't be allowed to say anything. What I said was that whilst they have the right to say anything their words carry no weight.
I can see how you hate this site seeing as people like yourself are all over it
Thanks for commenting Mr. Moron.
1337mokro said:I didn't play other M. My point is that people were upset, and you amongst them, that the character took a change they didn't like, that they felt she was misrepresented as a character on who she is at a fundamental level. Do I agree or disagree? I have no idea because I didn't play the game and I'm not a particular fan of Samus or side scrolling platforming that brought about her fame, but I do think your opinion certainly seems reasoned and shouldn't be mocked with statements like your very own above.Scorpid said:Did I say that? No. You brought that up. So let's now examine that ans see how wrong you are.1337mokro said:Sigh... So it's okay if gamers get offended when Samus takes a character turn that they don't appreciate, but a religion getting offended that their gods, that they hold as absolute truth, are getting put into a fighting game where they can lose to another religions god is just them being bitchy and not knowing that they've already lost?rcs619 said:LOLfelbot said:
Oh I had a good laugh when I read that.
But seriously people stop being butthurt over a game. First of all it's not slandering your religion it's just using figures as heroes. Second of all your religion is not protected from slander.
I can say anything I want about it whenever I want to. So please, go cry in the corner silently.
Personally I can see their point and sort of agree with them, I certainly wouldn't want to see my mother or father or some other person I hold near and dear getting their face beaten in by someone as a game. Though Hindus and Buddhists getting together for something isn't at all surprising for anyone that has studied Indian history for more then five minutes.
When those gamers raised hell, what were their complaints. "Samus is made into a completely different character than previous games" or "The way Samus bows down to Adam is down right disgusting".
What they didn't say was "Because we believe Samus is a Supreme almighty Goddess she should never be used in any media unless it is depicted according to our very narrow standards of what is correct".
You compare a religious group complaining about their deities being used in a commercial product which they perceive as slanderous with a group of gamers who didn't like changes made between games.
Just to give you a personal opinion here.
What I didn't like about Other M was the abusive relationship between our two main characters, culminating in a stand off where a woman gets shot for being "disobedient".
Yay feminism!
So now if we bring it back to people angry that their gods are being used in a fighting game to beat each other up, gods and religions by extension that people base their lives around and whose teachings they follow to some degree or another shouldn't be dismissed because it's a religion saying it, as you seem inclined to do.
Atheists sometime seem to have this view that they're absolutely right and where ever there is disagreement with their point of view that it should be put down with all the indignant rage they can muster against it without even a seemly consideration for the consequences of their what they say and do... or at least the majority I know. I'm not religious but being grouped with people like that is simply miserable to consider.
BUT most of all because you have a right to speak that alone should obligate you to feel it necessary to speak with some consideration of what you're saying and how it effects people, otherwise dialogue will just dissolve into shouting matches at an impasse which serves no purpose except to entrench ideologies with us vs them mentality being the first and last reason for anything said.
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Of course I am being insulting. What else can I be? I'm butthurt remember.erttheking said:He called you a hypocrite for calling people butthurt over it, and then saying that you can say whatever you want about their religion. So in other words you said that you can say whatever you want about their religion, but they should shut up and stop complaining or rather they should "stop being butthurt"...yeah that kinda is hypocritical. "I said that whilst they have the right to say anything, their words carry no weight"...no you did not say that. Also you are being fairly insulting.1337mokro said:Either that was a sarcasm post or you are a complete moron. You call me a hypocrite because I say someone should go cry in the corner. Then say I should do the same because I don't allow them to say whatever they want?AnarchistFish said:
Guess what I never said they shouldn't be allowed to say anything. What I said was that whilst they have the right to say anything their words carry no weight.
I can see how you hate this site seeing as people like yourself are all over it
Thanks for commenting Mr. Moron.
Scorpid said:Then you should. Never use something as an example without actually playing it. It sets you up with a huge disadvantage as being merely an outsider who observes a group of people shouting aloud about how much a game sucks.1337mokro said:I didn't play other M. My point is that people were upset, and you amongst them, that the character took a change they didn't like, that they felt she was misrepresented as a character on who she is at a fundamental level. Do I agree or disagree? I have no idea because I didn't play the game and I'm not a particular fan of Samus or side scrolling platforming that brought about her fame, but I do think your opinion certainly seems reasoned and shouldn't be mocked with statements like your very own above.Scorpid said:Did I say that? No. You brought that up. So let's now examine that ans see how wrong you are.1337mokro said:Sigh... So it's okay if gamers get offended when Samus takes a character turn that they don't appreciate, but a religion getting offended that their gods, that they hold as absolute truth, are getting put into a fighting game where they can lose to another religions god is just them being bitchy and not knowing that they've already lost?rcs619 said:LOLfelbot said:
Oh I had a good laugh when I read that.
But seriously people stop being butthurt over a game. First of all it's not slandering your religion it's just using figures as heroes. Second of all your religion is not protected from slander.
I can say anything I want about it whenever I want to. So please, go cry in the corner silently.
Personally I can see their point and sort of agree with them, I certainly wouldn't want to see my mother or father or some other person I hold near and dear getting their face beaten in by someone as a game. Though Hindus and Buddhists getting together for something isn't at all surprising for anyone that has studied Indian history for more then five minutes.
When those gamers raised hell, what were their complaints. "Samus is made into a completely different character than previous games" or "The way Samus bows down to Adam is down right disgusting".
What they didn't say was "Because we believe Samus is a Supreme almighty Goddess she should never be used in any media unless it is depicted according to our very narrow standards of what is correct".
You compare a religious group complaining about their deities being used in a commercial product which they perceive as slanderous with a group of gamers who didn't like changes made between games.
Just to give you a personal opinion here.
What I didn't like about Other M was the abusive relationship between our two main characters, culminating in a stand off where a woman gets shot for being "disobedient".
Yay feminism!
So now if we bring it back to people angry that their gods are being used in a fighting game to beat each other up, gods and religions by extension that people base their lives around and whose teachings they follow to some degree or another shouldn't be dismissed because it's a religion saying it, as you seem inclined to do.
Atheists sometime seem to have this view that they're absolutely right and where ever there is disagreement with their point of view that it should be put down with all the indignant rage they can muster against it without even a seemly consideration for the consequences of their what they say and do... or at least the majority I know. I'm not religious but being grouped with people like that is simply miserable to consider.
BUT most of all because you have a right to speak that alone should obligate you to feel it necessary to speak with some consideration of what you're saying and how it effects people, otherwise dialogue will just dissolve into shouting matches at an impasse which serves no purpose except to entrench ideologies with us vs them mentality being the first and last reason for anything said.
CAPTCHA: Silence is gold
(Most certainly...)
Let's take a look at what you misunderstood.
You think that my motivation is because it's religion you can freely mock it because it isn't real. That is incorrect.
My stance is that anything is free game for creative purposes. Religion is not a shield that protects you from that. Just because someone believes some being really exists doesn't mean we have to tip toe around them for the sake of their feelings.
That is nonsense. If I see someone who holds a belief that the earth is flat should I now never be able to point that out? Whatever medium I choose is wrong now because he might get offended that I dare to use his ideas for the purpose of entertainment or criticism.
Silence is indeed golden, but ducktape is silver, even the ducktape used by the protestors.
1337mokro said:THERE WE GO! Now we're having something resembling debate ^_^Scorpid said:Then you should. Never use something as an example without actually playing it. It sets you up with a huge disadvantage as being merely an outsider who observes a group of people shouting aloud about how much a game sucks.1337mokro said:I didn't play other M. My point is that people were upset, and you amongst them, that the character took a change they didn't like, that they felt she was misrepresented as a character on who she is at a fundamental level. Do I agree or disagree? I have no idea because I didn't play the game and I'm not a particular fan of Samus or side scrolling platforming that brought about her fame, but I do think your opinion certainly seems reasoned and shouldn't be mocked with statements like your very own above.Scorpid said:Did I say that? No. You brought that up. So let's now examine that ans see how wrong you are.1337mokro said:Sigh... So it's okay if gamers get offended when Samus takes a character turn that they don't appreciate, but a religion getting offended that their gods, that they hold as absolute truth, are getting put into a fighting game where they can lose to another religions god is just them being bitchy and not knowing that they've already lost?rcs619 said:LOLfelbot said:
Oh I had a good laugh when I read that.
But seriously people stop being butthurt over a game. First of all it's not slandering your religion it's just using figures as heroes. Second of all your religion is not protected from slander.
I can say anything I want about it whenever I want to. So please, go cry in the corner silently.
Personally I can see their point and sort of agree with them, I certainly wouldn't want to see my mother or father or some other person I hold near and dear getting their face beaten in by someone as a game. Though Hindus and Buddhists getting together for something isn't at all surprising for anyone that has studied Indian history for more then five minutes.
When those gamers raised hell, what were their complaints. "Samus is made into a completely different character than previous games" or "The way Samus bows down to Adam is down right disgusting".
What they didn't say was "Because we believe Samus is a Supreme almighty Goddess she should never be used in any media unless it is depicted according to our very narrow standards of what is correct".
You compare a religious group complaining about their deities being used in a commercial product which they perceive as slanderous with a group of gamers who didn't like changes made between games.
Just to give you a personal opinion here.
What I didn't like about Other M was the abusive relationship between our two main characters, culminating in a stand off where a woman gets shot for being "disobedient".
Yay feminism!
So now if we bring it back to people angry that their gods are being used in a fighting game to beat each other up, gods and religions by extension that people base their lives around and whose teachings they follow to some degree or another shouldn't be dismissed because it's a religion saying it, as you seem inclined to do.
Atheists sometime seem to have this view that they're absolutely right and where ever there is disagreement with their point of view that it should be put down with all the indignant rage they can muster against it without even a seemly consideration for the consequences of their what they say and do... or at least the majority I know. I'm not religious but being grouped with people like that is simply miserable to consider.
BUT most of all because you have a right to speak that alone should obligate you to feel it necessary to speak with some consideration of what you're saying and how it effects people, otherwise dialogue will just dissolve into shouting matches at an impasse which serves no purpose except to entrench ideologies with us vs them mentality being the first and last reason for anything said.
CAPTCHA: Silence is gold
(Most certainly...)
Let's take a look at what you misunderstood.
You think that my motivation is because it's religion you can freely mock it because it isn't real. That is incorrect.
My stance is that anything is free game for creative purposes. Religion is not a shield that protects you from that. Just because someone believes some being really exists doesn't mean we have to tip toe around them for the sake of their feelings.
That is nonsense. If I see someone who holds a belief that the earth is flat should I now never be able to point that out? Whatever medium I choose is wrong now because he might get offended that I dare to use his ideas for the purpose of entertainment or criticism.
Silence is indeed golden, but ducktape is silver, even the ducktape used by the protestors.
First off the example I used I didn't use for the content it I used it for the reaction by your group to a character they cared about. I didn't take an opinion for or against your own in your opinion of Other M. IF I was arguing that Other M represented accurately Samus and revealed that I hadn't ever played the game or any Metroid game then OH CERTAINLY your argument would sink my own like the Hindenburg, just fire and complete destruction. But that's not what I'm arguing, I was using it as an example of something you might of felt justified in debating and contrasting it to this debate over whether or not if the same holds true. Your conclusion in your case of Metroid was, to paraphrase "It most certainly is worth debating because I care about the character and wish to see some consistency in her motivations and attitudes." While on the other hand you argued that "But seriously people stop being butthurt over a game. First of all it's not slandering your religion it's just using figures as heroes. Second of all your religion is not protected from slander. I can say anything I want about it whenever I want to. So please, go cry in the corner silently."
Are you a follower of Hinduism Catholicism or Buddhism if not then by your own logic with Other M you don't have ground stand on to debate this issue. Since I've already said why I think they should be able to get this issue brought up we'll move past that. My issue secondly and the one you don't seem to appreciate was that your argument was both unintentionally(I hope) injudicious AND hypocritical when compared to another debate in video games. Well informed reasoned arguments that don't insult the audience and is at least some what consistent with what the speaker says isn't up for debate, it's public speaking 101 something you should understand because as you've said you have a right to speak so you should absolutely do it well. And this isn't aimed exclusively at you either it's aimed squarely at anyone that uses your style of debate of belittling the other side into submission while apply ZERO introspection into their own argument, more specifically atheists who believe that their opinions above reproach. `
