Character Gender, and the Picture on the cover.

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Aurgelmir

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kingcom said:
Aurgelmir said:
RiouChan said:
In Dragon age 2, It doesn't really matter. All of them are bisexuals.
It doesn't matter in that sense, but isn't it a bit sexist that the "main" character is always male?
How is that remotely sexist?
Well, if there is a choice between A and B, and you always select A because A is what you always have chosen before, well then your are discriminating B. B might be awesome or better, but you still went for A didn't you?

Also:
We are constantly hearing games need more female protagonists, so why choose to put the male character on the cover every time?

Just saying it feels a bit sexist.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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They did a poll on BSN and 80% of people play the male shepard.

I have no idea why becuase having played both Jennifer Hale is the much better voice actor. Maybe it's becuase male sheps get better love interests while the rest of us stand behind Joker's chair and cry. :<

I play male shepard as my renegade. He looks like a jerk, he may aswell be one :p
 

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Bioware did a study, and found out that like 80% of the time, players play as a Male Shepard.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.230772-BioWare-Mines-Data-From-Mass-Effect-2

Why bother making half your boxart of a female character when only 1/5 the players will be playing as a female Shepard? The more important question is: Why do so few people play as a female?
You can't possibly trust those numbers. They have no context.
They do by no means specify whether the subjects play exclusively as male Shepard, or most often as male Shepard, or if they simply ever played a male Shepard. And vice versa.
Not to mention that the "survey" omits those who disabled the data-gathering function for ME2.

Furthermore, Jesse Houston of BioWare admitted to FemShep being the alleged "fan favourite" [http://img51.imageshack.us/i/twitterkp.png/], yet apparently this doesn't warrant the slightest piece of marketing exposition.
Which is odd.

As late as August last year, EEDAR (Electronic Entertainment Design and Research, world's largest research institution in the field of video games) published a few reliably contextual statistics on the subject of gender disparity in 7th generation video games, and how the sex of the game's protagonist is apparently a non-factor when it comes to critical acclaim, and by extension, financial revenue.

Give it a looksie! I think it's interesting. [http://www.industrygamers.com/news/the-divnich-debrief-game-sales-unaffected-by-gender-of-main-character/]

When it all comes down to it, the only reason Sheploo and MaleHawke are the allegedly "iconic" versions is because marketing makes them so. It's a self-affirming circular notion.
It's probably a mix of blatant cowardice and a misconception of what is required to meet that desired sales quota.
 

kayisking

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Its quite simple, because most people that buy games are white males between the ages of 25 and 40. Studies have shown that most of these people like to play as white males between the ages of 25 and 40. Thats why we have so many white male protagonist between the ages of 25 and 40, and this is also why, if there is a customize feature in place, the standerd character will almost always be a white male between the ages of 25 and 40. This is to attract the largest buyer base wich is white males between the ages of 25 and 40.

It gets kind of repetitive somethimes (see what I did there?).
 

Sunrider

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They are both female to me. I can't stand Male Shep, mostly because of the horrid voice acting, but also because he just looks like someone lobotomized him at an early age. He just looks DUMB, plain and simple.
Female Shep is awesome though.

Still haven't tried a Male Hawke, but I probably will at some point.
 

8-Bit Grin

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Easy solution:

Two sided cover.

You want a girl instead? Flip it over.

The interior cover is usually designed anyways, so no extra money is needed.
 

Gordon_4_v1legacy

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Take a third option:



This is a much better cover than that generic crappy cover we actually got for Mass Effect 2.

FemShep and LadyHawke for life.
 

Jodah

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Its likely due to the canon lore of the game. In ME and DA it is cannon that Shepard and Hawke are male in the novels and such.
 

Oroboros

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It's a product of sexism inherent in modern globalized culture, heavily influenced by Western cultural expectations. Where no gender is obvious in a given medium, the male gender is typically assigned. In order to be considered 'female' there usually has to be a conclusive indicator towards female gender. In rock-art archaeology, for instance, it was commonplace to assume that a given humanoid figure was male unless there was specific indicators to the female gender of a motif (such as genitalia or hair styles) However, humanoid figures with no distinguishing *male* characteristics would still be assumed to be male by default, instead of going by distinguishing male characteristics.

In the modern age, traces of this can still be seen all around us (although we are getting better) Look at a crosswalk sign. They often have two basic figures on them, indistinguishable except that one of them will have a skirt. The 'male' figure has no features that flat out distinguish it as a man, yet culture assumes that it will be recognized as a man, because the man is 'default'.

In video games, it is a similar mentality. Think about all of the 'canon' characters from video games that allow character customization. Mass effect? Male. Dragon Age? Male. Baldur's gate? Male. Kotor? Male. Saint's Row II? Male. Fable? yep, that's a man on the cover of every single game. Just about the only exception to this rule I can think of is KoTOR II, but there are many, many more examples that merely prove the rule.

It's an unfortunate aspect of the culture we live in, as I would like to see more 'canon' female leads to games, esp in games that allow the character to be either gender.
 

TilMorrow

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Well maybe there is the possibility of gamers seeing the generic protagonist in a games' trailer and thinking who the hell is that? Also constant gender swapping in trailers may get confusing.

The holographic or double sided covers sound like a good idea, it was especially good when C&C Red Alert 3 did it.
 

Twilight_guy

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Social norms. According to the dark seedy underbelly of collective consciousness though and cultural norms in most western states, man is the default and lady is the deviant. When we think of a person it inevitably takes on "male qualities" rather then female qualities even if its androgynous. Its an interesting thing to study if you get the chance.
 

Oroboros

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Twilight_guy said:
Social norms. According to the dark seedy underbelly of collective consciousness though and cultural norms in most western states, man is the default and lady is the deviant. When we think of a person it inevitably takes on "male qualities" rather then female qualities even if its androgynous. Its an interesting thing to study if you get the chance.
Exactly! Nice to hear that I'm not the only one who understands this.
 

kingcom

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Aurgelmir said:
kingcom said:
Aurgelmir said:
RiouChan said:
In Dragon age 2, It doesn't really matter. All of them are bisexuals.
It doesn't matter in that sense, but isn't it a bit sexist that the "main" character is always male?
How is that remotely sexist?
Well, if there is a choice between A and B, and you always select A because A is what you always have chosen before, well then your are discriminating B. B might be awesome or better, but you still went for A didn't you?

Also:
We are constantly hearing games need more female protagonists, so why choose to put the male character on the cover every time?

Just saying it feels a bit sexist.
Thats not what sexist is, chosing A because of what A is isnt discrimination. Its called matching a criteria.
 

AyreonMaiden

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kingcom said:
Aurgelmir said:
kingcom said:
Aurgelmir said:
RiouChan said:
In Dragon age 2, It doesn't really matter. All of them are bisexuals.
It doesn't matter in that sense, but isn't it a bit sexist that the "main" character is always male?
How is that remotely sexist?
Well, if there is a choice between A and B, and you always select A because A is what you always have chosen before, well then your are discriminating B. B might be awesome or better, but you still went for A didn't you?

Also:
We are constantly hearing games need more female protagonists, so why choose to put the male character on the cover every time?

Just saying it feels a bit sexist.
Thats not what sexist is, chosing A because of what A is isnt discrimination. Its called matching a criteria.
This. Ugh, between this and the hissy fit people threw about the Jimquisition this week I've had it up to my forehead with "gender issues."

If Half-Life 2 only had one cover that featured nobody but Gordon Freeman towering over piles of Combine, that wouldn't change that Alyx Vance is an excellent example of a well-rounded female character. In short, who cares about the gender on the cover? What does that change about the game itself?

Male Shepard is on the cover, sure, but Female Shepard has the best acting and the best customization options. Seriously, any Male Shepard other than the default is fugly. Ask my glans-headed one, he'll tell you. Conversely, I've seen nothing but hot female Shepards that talk tough, lead tough, lay well and dress classy.

No one got screwed at all.
 

Goofguy

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Meh, it makes no difference to me. The default character on the front cover of the box does not influence the appearance of my character in any way. They could put female Shepard, Asian Shepard, whatever, in the end he/she will look like whatever the player wants him/her to look like.
 

Ellen of Kitten

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JWRosser said:
I'm guessing because the larger target audience is male?

I tend to play as both male and female characters, depending on the game.
I'm seeing this response a lot so far, and so I'm going to address this theory (but not the poster of the quote, so don't think I'm picking on you, JW. :) )

I know more women that play Dragon Age and Mass Effect than I do men. When my guy gamer friends are playing the hell out of Black Ops, or whatever, my girl friends are all playing Dragon Age, and talking about their romantic endevors. (I haven't play Dragon Age 2 yet, because of school). One of my school friends skipped a weeks worth of groceries so she could get Mass Effect 2 when it came out.

Guys might be a target, but there's an equal amount of appeal to the women. :)