Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist'

[theNater]

Well, think of the logics here. Do you get a sport scholarship without attending any sports? No, That answer stays the same no matter what.

She was warned about her actions beforehand, but not before she joined which means she was forced to do this after she had joined, she had not been given informations about how this was against the rules before that, because that's not something they foresee. She did not agree to terms about waiving her rights, that's the end of this,. If you don't know the law, please just stop this, I am sick of this pointless debate.
The basketball player was found not guilty? Did you miss the part where he confessed to it? Did you miss the part where he received 2 years probation and mandatory anger management? He was found not guilty of rape or sexual assault. He was however found guilty of assault. Also she didn't chat that he was a dick, a rapist or a violent person. She simply wanted to ignore him. However this case has dragged him out for the media again portrayed as sexual predator to those who don't read the article.
Final information to you. If someone warns you about that you don't have rights 5 minutes before they punish you for using your rights, then you are somewhere who never had the rights at all.
Please, stop this pointless discussion I have already admit that the reason we disagree is that we see this case from different angles. You see the case for what it is. I see the case for what it could be.
One last thing, you are clearly not learning anything about the law if you haven't learned the terms for waiving someone's rights by now. Hint: She never did.

So, did some hunting. Found the actual document from the Court of Appeals. A few choice quotes:

Moreover, according to the terms of H.S.'s cheerleading contract, her failure to cheer constituted valid grounds for her removal from the cheer squad.

She had a legally recognized cheerleading contract, which made clear that she could be removed from the squad for not cheering.

Even assuming arguendo that H.S.'s speech was sufficiently particularized to warrant First Amendment protection, student speech is not protected when that speech would "substantially interfere with the work of the school."

As a student, she does not have full scale freedom of speech at the school and at school events. If you want to argue that she should have it, that could be an interesting discussion, but legally, she doesn't.

The full document is available online at http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/09/09-41075.0.wpd.pdf

 

[Yopaz]

Well, think of the logics here. Do you get a sport scholarship without attending any sports? No, That answer stays the same no matter what.

She was warned about her actions beforehand, but not before she joined which means she was forced to do this after she had joined, she had not been given informations about how this was against the rules before that, because that's not something they foresee. She did not agree to terms about waiving her rights, that's the end of this,. If you don't know the law, please just stop this, I am sick of this pointless debate.
The basketball player was found not guilty? Did you miss the part where he confessed to it? Did you miss the part where he received 2 years probation and mandatory anger management? He was found not guilty of rape or sexual assault. He was however found guilty of assault. Also she didn't chat that he was a dick, a rapist or a violent person. She simply wanted to ignore him. However this case has dragged him out for the media again portrayed as sexual predator to those who don't read the article.
Final information to you. If someone warns you about that you don't have rights 5 minutes before they punish you for using your rights, then you are somewhere who never had the rights at all.
Please, stop this pointless discussion I have already admit that the reason we disagree is that we see this case from different angles. You see the case for what it is. I see the case for what it could be.
One last thing, you are clearly not learning anything about the law if you haven't learned the terms for waiving someone's rights by now. Hint: She never did.

So, did some hunting. Found the actual document from the Court of Appeals. A few choice quotes:

Moreover, according to the terms of H.S.'s cheerleading contract, her failure to cheer constituted valid grounds for her removal from the cheer squad.

She had a legally recognized cheerleading contract, which made clear that she could be removed from the squad for not cheering.

Even assuming arguendo that H.S.'s speech was sufficiently particularized to warrant First Amendment protection, student speech is not protected when that speech would "substantially interfere with the work of the school."

As a student, she does not have full scale freedom of speech at the school and at school events. If you want to argue that she should have it, that could be an interesting discussion, but legally, she doesn't.

The full document is available online at http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/09/09-41075.0.wpd.pdf

If I told you that I stopped caring days ago and that you won, will you stop bothering me then? Don't answer though. I am done, and I am sick and tired of this, AS I have stated several times. You won, go away.

 

[theNater]

If I told you that I stopped caring days ago and that you won, will you stop bothering me then? Don't answer though. I am done, and I am sick and tired of this, AS I have stated several times. You won, go away.

Like I said, for me it's not about winning, it's about learning.

In that spirit, I would like to thank you for helping me stay engaged during this learning experience, and wish you good luck wherever the internet takes you. Farewell!

 

[Biosophilogical]

*HEAD*ehgwuiegh*HIT*efgiuqegh*KEYBOARD*uiwefgiu

To the rest of the world, I formally apologize for my State.

And I apologise for the platypus. We didn't mean for it to have venomous feet.

OT: I haven't read the article yet, gimme a sec.

Alright. So wow, that's sucky. I mean, she could just not go to that guy's games and cheer for all the other sporting events. The thing is, if you look at it purely objectively (the whole 'mouth-piece of the school' thing), then they were right to kick her off the squad. But if you actually assumed these people have an iota of empathy anywhere in their body then it just looks like a giant pile of discriminatory bullshit. I mean, sure, legally she was 'in the wrong (I hate saying it, it sounds wrong)', but her appeals were not because you can clearly see the injustice of the situation and how her not being a robot would make it seem like a crock of horse faeces.

So it was right for the school to kick her off the squad, but wrong for her to pay for their legal fees.

 

[Yopaz]

If I told you that I stopped caring days ago and that you won, will you stop bothering me then? Don't answer though. I am done, and I am sick and tired of this, AS I have stated several times. You won, go away.

Like I said, for me it's not about winning, it's about learning.

In that spirit, I would like to thank you for helping me stay engaged during this learning experience, and wish you good luck wherever the internet takes you. Farewell!

Well this was a nice end to a long debate. I wish the same to you, good sir and thanks for taking my mind off things.

 

[the-squid]

This must be fake or something, yeah i know the legal system in the U.S is a bit backwards at times but this is just stupid.

If OP did not add the link in his/her post i would have called it a troll

 

[Crazy_Dude]

This just seems plain wrong and I am not certain if its even true. I have heard of weird cases. But this one just jumps all.

 

[LondonBeer]

This is why two to the back of the head > legal system influenced by liberals and god botherers.

 

[spartan231490]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

A teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheer leading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.

Normally stuff like this makes me rage so hard I am unable to type,this time I am sort of in a transcended state of pure rage so I am able to coherently type.It happened in the US in Texas btw.

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

I can't really think over the roaring sound of fuck filling my head right now. It's one thing to not grant her compensation, I can agree with that. If you don't want to cheer, you can be kicked of the squad, but the fact that "justice" is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked up in this country that a judge can make her pay the school is absolutely infuriating. I kinda want to punch someone in the face right now. Over and over. Until they are dead.

If you sue someone you are forcing them to spend money on court fee's and lawyers, once your lawsuit has been deemed to have absolutely nothing to stand on it's only fair that you should have to pay back the people you are suing to make up for the money they spent defending themselves against your frivolous lawsuit

and yet you can't sue the government for accusing you of a criminal offense, even if your found not-guilty. And if anything, that requires more legal fees and a lot more psychological damage.

 

[artanis_neravar]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

A teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheer leading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.

Normally stuff like this makes me rage so hard I am unable to type,this time I am sort of in a transcended state of pure rage so I am able to coherently type.It happened in the US in Texas btw.

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

I can't really think over the roaring sound of fuck filling my head right now. It's one thing to not grant her compensation, I can agree with that. If you don't want to cheer, you can be kicked of the squad, but the fact that "justice" is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked up in this country that a judge can make her pay the school is absolutely infuriating. I kinda want to punch someone in the face right now. Over and over. Until they are dead.

If you sue someone you are forcing them to spend money on court fee's and lawyers, once your lawsuit has been deemed to have absolutely nothing to stand on it's only fair that you should have to pay back the people you are suing to make up for the money they spent defending themselves against your frivolous lawsuit

and yet you can't sue the government for accusing you of a criminal offense, even if your found not-guilty. And if anything, that requires more legal fees and a lot more psychological damage.

Two completely different scenarios. In a criminal case there is more than enough evidence for the trial to go on, it's not like a civil case where you have no grounds to sue someone, and in a criminal case, if you cannot afford a lawyer one will be provided to you by the government.