Chilean PS3 Ad Shows Gamer Giving Blood to Nazi Officer

[Maheemo]

cool

 

[[AU]Specter]

Oh god, i remember when they came under fire here in Aus with commercials for Metal Gear Solid 1.

But its really not a big deal, just more ammo for people like Jack Thompson to use against video game companies.

 

[Asehujiko]

Basically Rommel lead the invasion of Iraq, then Co-Lead the invasion of Caucasia. Every soldiers death from every attack he lead is on his hands. And one failed attempt at doing good does not make up for such things.

What the hell are you talking about? Iraq wasn't even involved in WWII and i am very certain that Rommel never lead an attack on a Colombian municipality. Nor did any other 19th or 20th century commander for that matter. The Caucasus, which i assume you mean, was occupied by somebody entirely else.

 

[IAmWright777]

maybe rommels giving blood to the gamer so he can go on killing nazis in one of the many WW2 games... just a thought.

Honestly, I never thought of that. You sir, are a genius. (I mean that)

 

[Megacherv]

No! It's about you being in the game. Think about it, your blood or heart being transferred into a person from the past, that could, ooh say, be featured in a FUCKING GAME! Besides, this is just Sony in that region, not all of Sony.

that actually makes perfect sense. Kudos to you, my man, there is now no need for any inflamm-

oh. there's three pages of it already.

No! It's about you being in the game. Think about it, your blood or heart being transferred into a person from the past, that could, ooh say, be featured in a FUCKING GAME! Besides, this is just Sony in that region, not all of Sony.

I think he's right.

But seriously, a nazi? Jeanne d'Arc I understand (even if the advert in itself is creepy as hell), but a nazi? Even if we follow Megacherv's train of thought, that's still kind of like saying "yeah, I like playing a nazi", right...?

Thank you, at least somebody here studied advertisement and learnt that they don't say things in a literal sense.

 

[hansari]

If he was such a great guy, why didn't he surrender, sell all the nazi secrets to the americans and british in exchange for freedom...

Because it would have hurt his countrymen.

The bonds of home and family can be very deep. Robert E. Lee's reputation made Lincoln seek him to lead the Union army, but Lee denied because his home state Virginia had chosen to secede. Lee was against the Confederacy, but he could not come to terms with fighting against them.

And Rommel saw what happened to his country after the end of WW1. The idea of a repeat no doubt scared him.

...and aid killing that mass murdering fuck head hitler?

Because it would have made him a martyr.

When Rommel was approached by the conspirators, he said Hitler must be brought to trial and pay for his crimes. Rommel wanted to end the Nazis, but in a proper way. Killing Hitler would not accomplish that.

This is why Hitler had him killed and hid the truth. Rommel was a national hero, and therefore dangerous.

Oh and heres a question, when the conspirators were plotting Hitlers assassination, which level-headed "man of the people" did you think they wanted to put in his place?

"Invading Iraq" means "Helping the Nazi Cause"

...what?

Basically Rommel lead the invasion of Iraq, then Co-Lead the invasion of Caucasia.

What is wrong with you?

Rommel fought in AFRICA. I don't know if its racism or stupidity that is making you group Africa and The Middle East together and calling it "Iraq".

And "Caucasia"?

Every soldiers death from every attack he lead is on his hands. And one failed attempt at doing good does not make up for such things.

That is war.

When you are on the battlefield, you are fighting for your life and the lives of your comrades. This applies to every war that has ever happened and will happen.

Once the dust settle though, Rommel proved to be chivalrous.

He took POW and treated them fairly. He disobeyed Hitler's orders to kill Allied commandos even when they surrendered. He ignored orders to kill Jewish soldiers and citizens on sight as well as deporting any that he came across in France.

Great. So that means if a Nazi officer in world war 2 told me to murder 3 unarmed jews, and I did so, it was okay as long as I myself was not a nazi. Good to know that murder is justified as long as you are not part of the actual murdering group that orders you to do so.

I'll say it again. Hitler gave all military generals such orders, Rommel ignored him and wrote letters saying he despised how the Jews were being treated and he should change it.

Oh, and if your wondering why Hitler didn't take care of Rommel right then and there, its because the man was loved by all. Their was more praise for Rommel then Hitler. And that praise came not only from within Germany, but from enemy commanders as well.
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Now go do some reading and learn not to group people unfairly.

Rommel had more honor then most of the generals running around the world today. When a commando unit was sent in to capture/kill Rommel, and one of the men died, Rommel gave the man a proper burial with full military honors...

 

[The Austin]

...I don't get what they are advertising....

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Did anyone over there bother to find out what kind of a man Erwin Rommel was?
A soldier, not a nazi. He cannot be called a nazi, as he was, at no point, a member of the nazi party. He had a clean recors as far as generals so. He was noted for treating POWs well, opposing old man Adolf both militaristcally and ideologically- HE WASN'T A DAMN NAZI!

Anyway, not sony nor the people complaining probably thought of that. I suppose the marketing department had a rather clever idea, which was screwed up by an overenthusiastic art director. Putting a swastika just anywhere is going to cause a stir.

In all honesty, how many people would look at that advertisement and say, "Hey, that's Erwin Rommel, what a swell guy."
I took a glance at it, which is what many people do to advertisements, and if no one told me that was Erwin Rommel, I would have never known. In that picture, it does look like a gamer giving blood to a regular Nazi. That's why it's controversial.

To any mom or dad looking at the advert, they'll think that Sony's a bunch of loons. Parents might not buy it just because of that advertisement.

Off topic: I know he was never a Nazi. He was not even tried for war crimes because everyone knew he was a standup guy. He actually opposed Hitler.

Another reason he wasn't at Nuremberg was because he was dead for almost a year by then.

Another general theme is that completely unrealistic treatment of severe injuries. A blood transfusion won't neutralize a cyanide pill(or a point blank shot to the head with a K98, depending on which theory believe) Neither will a heart transplant undo burn damage. Skin grafts might make more sense but that's harder to portray without making both the donator and the recipient look like they were on the receiving end of a Necron Gauss Rifle.

Well I love how people go "Rommel was a decent man" Yes... one who fought on the side of hitler. If he was such a great guy, why didn't he surrender, sell all the nazi secrets to the americans and british in exchange for freedom AND to be put under protection, and aid killing that mass murdering fuck head hitler?

"tried to assasinate" now means "working for"?

"Invading Iraq" means "Helping the Nazi Cause"

I must admit that i honestly have no idea what you are on about.

Basically Rommel lead the invasion of Iraq, then Co-Lead the invasion of Caucasia. Every soldiers death from every attack he lead is on his hands. And one failed attempt at doing good does not make up for such things.

You are aware that every time a person leads an army into battle all the soldiers deaths are on his hands, right? Though I understand your point. Though, here is one question.... did all Germans view Hitler as evil at that time? It's more of a psychological thing here, because yes Rommel may have been a general in the army under Hitler, but if he wasn't a member of the Nazi party, then he wasn't a Nazi. Also, who betrays their country?

Great. So that means if a Nazi officer in world war 2 told me to murder 3 unarmed jews, and I did so, it was okay as long as I myself was not a nazi. Good to know that murder is justified as long as you are not part of the actual murdering group that orders you to do so.

Yep, it sure is. Ok sarcasm aside, no the only time murder is justified is in self-defence situations. I never said "oh yeah he wasn't a Nazi, so it's ok that he killed allied troops". I was simply stating that you can't assume somebody is a terrible person because they were in the other army.

No, but what DOES let you assume someone is a terrible man is if he helped a genocidal fuck head in his quest to be a genocidal fuckhead and aided said genocidal fuckhead by helping him conquest parts of the world in the name of said genocidal fuckhead.

 

[IAmWright777]

Did anyone over there bother to find out what kind of a man Erwin Rommel was?
A soldier, not a nazi. He cannot be called a nazi, as he was, at no point, a member of the nazi party. He had a clean recors as far as generals so. He was noted for treating POWs well, opposing old man Adolf both militaristcally and ideologically- HE WASN'T A DAMN NAZI!

Anyway, not sony nor the people complaining probably thought of that. I suppose the marketing department had a rather clever idea, which was screwed up by an overenthusiastic art director. Putting a swastika just anywhere is going to cause a stir.

In all honesty, how many people would look at that advertisement and say, "Hey, that's Erwin Rommel, what a swell guy."
I took a glance at it, which is what many people do to advertisements, and if no one told me that was Erwin Rommel, I would have never known. In that picture, it does look like a gamer giving blood to a regular Nazi. That's why it's controversial.

To any mom or dad looking at the advert, they'll think that Sony's a bunch of loons. Parents might not buy it just because of that advertisement.

Off topic: I know he was never a Nazi. He was not even tried for war crimes because everyone knew he was a standup guy. He actually opposed Hitler.

Another reason he wasn't at Nuremberg was because he was dead for almost a year by then.

Another general theme is that completely unrealistic treatment of severe injuries. A blood transfusion won't neutralize a cyanide pill(or a point blank shot to the head with a K98, depending on which theory believe) Neither will a heart transplant undo burn damage. Skin grafts might make more sense but that's harder to portray without making both the donator and the recipient look like they were on the receiving end of a Necron Gauss Rifle.

Well I love how people go "Rommel was a decent man" Yes... one who fought on the side of hitler. If he was such a great guy, why didn't he surrender, sell all the nazi secrets to the americans and british in exchange for freedom AND to be put under protection, and aid killing that mass murdering fuck head hitler?

"tried to assasinate" now means "working for"?

"Invading Iraq" means "Helping the Nazi Cause"

I must admit that i honestly have no idea what you are on about.

Basically Rommel lead the invasion of Iraq, then Co-Lead the invasion of Caucasia. Every soldiers death from every attack he lead is on his hands. And one failed attempt at doing good does not make up for such things.

You are aware that every time a person leads an army into battle all the soldiers deaths are on his hands, right? Though I understand your point. Though, here is one question.... did all Germans view Hitler as evil at that time? It's more of a psychological thing here, because yes Rommel may have been a general in the army under Hitler, but if he wasn't a member of the Nazi party, then he wasn't a Nazi. Also, who betrays their country?

Great. So that means if a Nazi officer in world war 2 told me to murder 3 unarmed jews, and I did so, it was okay as long as I myself was not a nazi. Good to know that murder is justified as long as you are not part of the actual murdering group that orders you to do so.

Yep, it sure is. Ok sarcasm aside, no the only time murder is justified is in self-defence situations. I never said "oh yeah he wasn't a Nazi, so it's ok that he killed allied troops". I was simply stating that you can't assume somebody is a terrible person because they were in the other army.

No, but what DOES let you assume someone is a terrible man is if he helped a genocidal fuck head in his quest to be a genocidal fuckhead and aided said genocidal fuckhead by helping him conquest parts of the world in the name of said genocidal fuckhead.

Just when I thought we were done.... I won't argue.... If you read back through my posts you will see that I never once said you weren't at least partially right, but anyways.... How do you know he didn't do all of that in the name of Germany? there is a difference, but in the end it doesn't matter. I don't think you have understood a single point of mine. But to get back on topic here.... Sony is known for controversial marketing campaigns. I am not surprised.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Rommel had more honor then most of the generals running around the world today. When a commando unit was sent in to capture/kill Rommel, and one of the men died, Rommel gave the man a proper burial with full military honors...

Doesn't change the fact he gave the orders that lead to soldiers deaths.. not just his. Great, he gave them a burial. He is still the reason of their death.

(Also, forgive the Iraq part, I have 4 forums open at once at any given time on different websites so I do sometimes get jumbled XD I meant to say egypt, my brain connected desert talk with the talk about rommel so I kept saying Iraq XD Problem is, he still aided a mass murdering fuckhead in killing and spreading his influence to different parts of the world.)

Great, Rommel was more loved by germans then hitler. Doesn't change the fact he could have given away numerous german defenses in german itself, tactics, strategies, armement, strengths, weakness', traps, and probally ended WWII years before it actually did by allowing an early joint ally offensive against germany in order to cut the snake off at the head, saving LOTS of bloodshed from ever happening. But no, he didn't. He tried to assassinate hitler, failed, continued on truckin, helped in extending the violence of WWII, and therefore has no respect from me. Yeah he respected our dead, but he sure as hell didn't respect the lives of 50 million people lost during WWII.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Great, Rommel was more loved by germans then hitler. Doesn't change the fact he could have given away numerous german defenses in german itself, tactics, strategies, armement, strengths, weakness', traps, and probally ended WWII years before it actually did by allowing an early joint ally offensive against germany in order to cut the snake off at the head, saving LOTS of bloodshed from ever happening. But no, he didn't. He tried to assassinate hitler, failed, continued on truckin, helped in extending the violence of WWII, and therefore has no respect from me. Yeah he respected our dead, but he sure as hell didn't respect the lives of 50 million people lost during WWII.

How the hell do you know what he did and did not respect? And what does Rommel have to do with dead Russians, Chinese and Japanese (ie most of the 50 million). Rommel fought in the Desert and in defence of the Atlantic wall before Hitler or whoever forced him to take poison. Rommel never even joined the Nazi party.


Next time your country does something wrong, like attacking another nation without cause, you better be sure to sell it out like Rommel should have. Oh wait . . . I hope you're not American. Uh oh, you are.

lulz. I am not a high ranking officer in the army now am I? I have no sway over the tides of battle. My presence in a nation doesn't force armies to divert their power to that nation.

And the millions that could have been saved from rommel selling out the Nazi defenses (I am sorry, if you are obeying hitlers commands, and killing people who oppose hitler taking their land, you're working for fucking nazi's, which makes you just as bad as them) then WW2 could have ended years (Maybe even 4 years) earlier, saving millions of lives... but yeah.. rommel made the right call.. killing soldiers opposed to hitler's regime, and extending hitler's reach is an okay method to stopping nazism..

Heh and nice hit at the Americans... despite the fact the brit's and so forth are aiding us. But I forgot, guilt by association doesn't exist as we see by your high regard for rommel as a good man.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

...What? Surely this must be a sort of self aware type of ad, like the slim one. Otherwise, colour me confused.

Would someone like to pinpoint when Sony employed The United Colours of Benetton to deal with their ad campaign?

 

[Bat Vader]

Perhaps they are trying to say that gamers give to both the good and the bad.

 

[dalek sec]

They're off their meds again, huh? I knew it couldn't last.

Pretty much this.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

It actually hurts my brain to even try to comprehend sony's ad campaign. They're seriously trying to make the worst ad campaign of all time. Between this, that weird baby thing, that "psp, it's like a nut you can play outside" stuff.... what the hell are... just... urgh.... why?

 

[FinalGamer]

Are Sony trying to piss people off with confusing messages and being up their own ass about superiorit on purpose? Has to be the only reason.

If it is Rommel, then that's not TOO bad considering the man was a goddamn gentleman and the most noble guy in the Nazis, so noble that Hitler forced him to commit suicide to save some face of evil.
Maybe Sony could have marked that more clearly, like putting Rommel's name somewhere and trying to say that PS3 is as good as giving blood to Rommel?

Because how many people know who Rommel is, seriously?

 

[MortisLegio]

Sony! whats wrong with you?