No, but I'm sure China would greenlight any game involving the player committing genocide against the Japanese, like they do with movies.Sleekit said:
Hell, they'd probably publicly endorse the game.
China Reveals Censorship Critera for Console Games
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Hell, they'd probably publicly endorse the game.
We nuked them and fire bombed half their cities; in which we purposefully targeted civilians, and Japan doesn't hate us or childishly talks about how evil we are all the time.
They probably should hate us, but their government doesn't ferment that hate at every opportunity, like the PRC does.
And it was generations ago, most everyone involved in WW2 is dead.
They probably should hate us, but their government doesn't ferment that hate at every opportunity, like the PRC does.
And it was generations ago, most everyone involved in WW2 is dead.
Uh, that's just not true, our capital was burnt down by the British in the War of 1812 and we had a civil war, not to mention the countless Indian wars.Sleekit said:
US soil has seen its fair share of war.
Also, I wouldn't hold much of a grudge, because it was generations ago.
Hardly anyone in WW2 is alive anymore.
You think the Polish hate the Germans that much? Or the Greeks the Italians?
No, because their governments aren't wacko communist dictatorships that need to focus the people's hate on some foreign other so they wont view the government that's killed tens of millions of it's own citizens as their enemy.
The whole trade thing is irrelevant because the CCP is full of hypocrisy and contradictions, it only makes sense that they'd talk about how much they hate their trading partners.
The Second Sino-Japanese War was a conflict that began in mid 1937 and lasted for 8 years. The total casualties, most of which civilian, were greater than those suffered in the First World War. So yeah, there is a difference in scale here.Gary Thompson said:
Not a fair comparison. Both Italian and German post-war governments have apologized numerous times for any atrocities committed by their previous ruling parties. The Japanese government has never done so, in fact they more or less act as if nothing has ever happened and this is not a good policy to keep if you want friendly relationships with a neighbouring state.Gary Thompson said:
As the expression goes; there are no 'laws' in China, only 'policies'. That is to say, the law is never used (road rules for example) unless it suits the interests of the CCP. And this is pretty much the same with other media policies.StewShearer said:
Laws in China are always very vague specifically so they can be manipulated to allow or prevent a desired result from the CCP.
I am not surprised by this at all. Recent developments have been to allow Chinese console developments and prevent [legitimate] foreign sales in the country.
I agree with everything else you said except this, there is blatant manipulation of the media in China (which is totally government regulated). But I will limit myself to news.Sleekit said:
There are three sections to the news in China;
1 - Good things happening in China (bad reports aren't mentioned unless they are severe or caused by non-Chinese)
2 - Bad things happening in the rest of the world
3 - Weather report
There ARE riots and protests daily in China of course (big country) and these are quickly suppressed and never reported on at any level. An example I have seen was a group of children at a school were poisoned because the school bought poor quality rice from military surplus. Parents got (understandably) upset and had a peaceful protest in the city square. Police surrounded them and they were forced to disperse.
Nationalism is how the govt uses the media to control the population. By creating a larger outside threat (usually Japan or the US) it directs the 'negative energy' away from more local issues (like govt corruption).
- Anything that instigates racial/ethnic hatred, or harms ethnic traditions and cultures.
- Anything that harms public ethics or China's culture and traditions.
The Chinese government is already the worst offender in regards to both of these points. The government has spent decades attempting to suppress traditional Han culture and the amount of hatred of the Japanese that the Chinese government ingrains into the people is almost unbelievable.
- Anything that harms public ethics or China's culture and traditions.
The Chinese government is already the worst offender in regards to both of these points. The government has spent decades attempting to suppress traditional Han culture and the amount of hatred of the Japanese that the Chinese government ingrains into the people is almost unbelievable.
This will have no effect on console gamers here as everyone can buy Hong Kong versions in shops, technically an import, very easily. Plus, China's version of ebay, called Taobao, is full of retailers selling video games officially released in SE Asia, Japan and the North America. Really, this changes nothing, except to show the CCP are a bunch of control freaks, which we already know.
It was clever espionage and incompetent foes that prevented an invasion from the Mexican border before it could even begin. Sure part of the US advantage has to do with not being close to the enemy (who was just as far away from us), but to some extent you can't rag on how someone doesn't know how much losing hurts when they had the skill to not get hurt.Sleekit said:
You guys don't get it........those laws are set to give the government power, which means they can greenlight and ban any games they want just like everything else. It have nothing to do with "chinese", the general wants of the citizens and wants of the government hardly ever coincide, so don't think for a second this is what "chinese" want.
What this really means is whoever want to publish a game they will have to first bribe the right people.
It's all about bribery, the only real red lights in china is bad mouthing the government and something involve taiwan......that's it! everything else can be interpret in your favor depending on the bribes you pay.
Even captain america showed in chinese cinemas, all two of them, so did cloud atlas with the whole revolution part intact. China is a hypocritic country but it's also greedy, therefore what they lack in integrity they made up for in greed. I should know, I'm there now.
What this really means is whoever want to publish a game they will have to first bribe the right people.
It's all about bribery, the only real red lights in china is bad mouthing the government and something involve taiwan......that's it! everything else can be interpret in your favor depending on the bribes you pay.
Even captain america showed in chinese cinemas, all two of them, so did cloud atlas with the whole revolution part intact. China is a hypocritic country but it's also greedy, therefore what they lack in integrity they made up for in greed. I should know, I'm there now.
First off, consoles and their games have been available for sale even before the ban on consoles was lifted. You just had to go to the shopping area for teens, with the shops of cute stuff for girls, the anime shop filled with figures, and look for the shops that had TVs and couches where people were playing on a PS3 or XBox 360. Plunk your money down and walk away with a hacked 360 pre-loaded with a crap ton of games. Didn't get the game you want, go through the bin of pirated stuff and buy one for just a few American dollars.
None of these shops are selling the consoles or games legally. But because nobody can be bothered to actually enforce the laws, they just open up a shop in the right area (teen shopping area) and sell the stuff out in the open. So the only thing these laws will do is stop the games from being sold legitimately at any of the major stores in their electronic sections.
Second, if you still want a legit copy, the folks in Shenzhen can just hop the border to Hong Kong whenever they want, buy a copy there and come back. One marked up sale on TaoBao and you've got yourself a legit copy.
Third, if you don't want to bother with getting a hacked console unit and worry that pirated games might ruin your system, and just can't wait for your buddy to do a HK border run for you, then just go down to the many many many game clubs. These folks rent out an apartment, set it up as a place for people to play games. Pay your fee and drop by to play on their PS unit with whatever games they have in their library. When I was in Changsha, a 20 story building I was in had 2 to 3 of these game clubs on every floor from the fifth floor on up. No one ever coming by to close them all down for their illegal consoles even though they're all in the same damn building.
Last, these rules aren't meant to protect the Chinese people from the evils of these games. They're ignoring the laws and playing these games because again, nobody enforces them. Instead, it is to keep Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony out of the country by making it too hard for them to compete legally, so that when the Chinese companies roll out their consoles, they have no legal competition. That is the real reason for these censorship laws, a cover to keep foreign games out so Chinese games don't have to compete with them when they get released. They all know that they won't be able to compete if the playing field were even.
None of these shops are selling the consoles or games legally. But because nobody can be bothered to actually enforce the laws, they just open up a shop in the right area (teen shopping area) and sell the stuff out in the open. So the only thing these laws will do is stop the games from being sold legitimately at any of the major stores in their electronic sections.
Second, if you still want a legit copy, the folks in Shenzhen can just hop the border to Hong Kong whenever they want, buy a copy there and come back. One marked up sale on TaoBao and you've got yourself a legit copy.
Third, if you don't want to bother with getting a hacked console unit and worry that pirated games might ruin your system, and just can't wait for your buddy to do a HK border run for you, then just go down to the many many many game clubs. These folks rent out an apartment, set it up as a place for people to play games. Pay your fee and drop by to play on their PS unit with whatever games they have in their library. When I was in Changsha, a 20 story building I was in had 2 to 3 of these game clubs on every floor from the fifth floor on up. No one ever coming by to close them all down for their illegal consoles even though they're all in the same damn building.
Last, these rules aren't meant to protect the Chinese people from the evils of these games. They're ignoring the laws and playing these games because again, nobody enforces them. Instead, it is to keep Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony out of the country by making it too hard for them to compete legally, so that when the Chinese companies roll out their consoles, they have no legal competition. That is the real reason for these censorship laws, a cover to keep foreign games out so Chinese games don't have to compete with them when they get released. They all know that they won't be able to compete if the playing field were even.
We don't even need to go to HK, all we do is go online like everyone else and buy it there delivered the next day. I got my copy of titanfall for 320rmb ($50) and got it the next day.Erik Zarkov said:
You using Taobao or some other service? The office where I'm at has a PS4, curious what other options there are aside from it.ExtraDebit said: