Chinese Toddler Hit By Van, Then Ignored For Several Minutes By 18 Passers-By

[JordanXlord]

....Damn...i have already lost faith in humanity but...this...this is just awful


i am never...never...never going to China agein

 

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

wooh don't mean to offend anybody but it's a good thing I'm pretty much desensitized to violence. That unedited video was really something. The hell was going through the drivers mind when he/she drove over her the second time?

 

[Darks63]

Man I knew that they didn't like girls in that country but that's a bit much, i wonder if it was a male child if people would have reacted faster.

Then again it could just be the Big City effect where people just don't care about anything that doesn't pertain to them

 

[Terminate421]

How did the original van not see her?

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

They were probably repulsed because SHE NO DOCTA YET

...I'm going straight to hell. Totally worth it.

But really, how do you hit a toddler twice with an automobile without killing it? Must be some seriously durable baby.

Spoiler: Y SHE NO DOCTA????

[image/]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYHSrI0Q8_M-teSzovMLehdTSu0q1yOgVBpEc5Gto89YWslQ5tHjhHLiMm[/IMG]...I'll see you there

OT: Rather odd I must say. My first instinct was fake, but I suppose they were just assholes.

 

[Orks da best]

Frankly, this has caused me to lose my faith in humanity. Bastards. I'm off to be a Vulcan. At least they embrace their apathy.

if you have anything that can help lift my spirits, please post pronto!

Don't worry JoJo. Here, take a pony.

See it's shit like this that I hate. There is no fucking need for ponies in this thread but LO AND BEHOLD we have a huge pony image in a thread about a child getting run over.

chill dude, he trying to cheer someone up, and little rainbow dash is cute, and its only one part of a post...

 

[JoJo]

I patronisingly chuckle at you for ignoring proven psychology.

The guy wasn't making an assumption about people he doesn't know. He was pointing out provable trends. And until you're faced with a similar situation you have 0 weight in a discussion about what you'd do. Like it or not, people react differently under high pressure situations than they normally would. Rationality and morality doesn't even tiptoe it's way into it.

Thankfully due to sheer statistics, there is usually atleast one person who manages to do something helpful around when there's something like an accident. But until you're faced with a high stress situation like that, you have no idea how you'd react. Even people who're trained for it don't always do what they've been taught.

And I'll say this again because people seem to be collectively ignoring it. This is not the bystander effect. The bystander effect is usually only found in big crowds and the person that causes the accident/incident seldom leaves because of it. And to have another van drive over her.

The only time the bystander effect has any real influence when there isn't a large crowd is when no one saw the initial incident. People will walk by a dead body if they think someone else has taken care of it. They'll seldom walk away from seeing a person knocked over and not even give them a second glance. I don't know what social phenomenon this was, but it wasn't a classic case of the bystander effect. It was almost as if the incident hadn't registered with most of the people there.

The bolded part is the bit that I can't agree with. If it was an adult lying there on the ground then I hope I would help, it might depend on the situation, but I KNOW that I wouldn't leave a child injured alone without medical attention. Anyone that's even somewhat acquainted with me knows that I have a soft-spot for children, partly down to having a much younger sister and partly just because I'm programmed that way. I know myself and I know wouldn't have done what most of those people did.

I'm sorry but no. You may well do something, I can't say you wouldn't. But until you're faced with the situation you have no idea what would happen.

As I said though, the video shown is really weird. It's not the bystander effect like so many people are claiming. I honestly don't know what social phenomenon it was. It's not something I've come across before. People were actively ignoring the incident. Which isn't what the bystander effect is. I don't like saying this, but there's every chance it is something culturally exclusive.

We can observe culturally exclusive behaviour between 2 countries that are very similar like the UK and the US. And sometimes they're quite large behavioural changes. In the UK, people are reluctant to get involved with arguments and public altercations because we have been basically conditioned by people in authority that the best thing to do is to refer to someone with authority. Such as someone in security or even the police if it's required. Whereas people in the US are a lot more prone to getting involved themselves if they think there's good reason to.

Another one is the difference between our Firemen. In America there is a big thing about firemen and hero complex's. With firemen putting their lives in danger quite often to save people. Wheras in the UK, firemen are taught that their safety comes first, as a result they're less likely to put themselves in the same amount of danger as their US counterparts.

It's entirely possible that this is just a symptom of a cultural difference magnified by something such as the bystander effect. That's the only conclusion I can come to.

You could probably safely say you wouldn't just drive on after knocking over a child. Because that isn't normal behaviour. Not even by the weird psychological standards.

But until you're faced with a similar situation you have no idea how you'd react, you say you have an affinity with kids. Well if you saw a child knocked down there's every chance the incident would effect you so profoundly that you'd actually be in a state of shock and completely incapable of helping. That happens to more people than you'd think.

I don't know enough about Chinese culture or this sort of psychology to say whether it's cultural or not, but either way it's sick. As for my own reaction, while I can't technically rule out myself going into shock and being ineffective as a helper, I certainly wouldn't walk past with a non-caring glance like those people did when it's a child not that unlike my own younger sister.

If you haven't seen the unedited video I've recently edited into the OP yet, I'd recommend taking a look if you're okay with watching disturbing content. Having watched that only reinforces my knowledge that I couldn't ignore it if I experienced it in real life, I don't care what percentage of people would walk past in my country (if it differs from China) but for me it would go against my deepest held morals and on a slightly more selfish note, if I managed to help her then it would increase my own self-image/ego. There's no way for me to prove to you this of course any-more than I can prove to you online that I'm a British male from Devon & Dorset, but I hope you understand.

 

[Drenaje1]

*sigh*

See? Humanity is awful. I really don't have any faith to lose in it because I really didn't have much to begin with, but this makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Holy crap, that was disgusting. Bystander syndrome I think it's called.

 

[Radeonx]

... .. .What...?

That just, binds me to a rage. It's a small little girl, who's bleeding on the street. Just seeing the video of these people passing by, letting the little girl die just is to much to bear. In my opinion, they turned a blind eye because they do not have any value for human life. They are inconsiderate, and I hope they are tracked down to be put in jail.

That's actually abuse in my opinion, because in America if they knew you walked by a dieing person then you should get your butt busted. Clearly I can't believe THAT many people walked, and I mean literally walked by eying the injured girl but moved on. What's wrong with people?? Sorry if I sound emotional, but for God's sake it's just a small little girl who is bleeding obviously. Thank goodness at least that woman came to her rescue- props to her.

As for lifting your spirits, I would say PM me if you wish to talk. I'll be happy to listen and give advise the best I can.

Actually I think you're completely off base.
As the user directly above you stated (Don't know if you saw it) there is something called the Bystander effect [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect]. They assume someone else is going to assist her, so nothing happened. I've seen this happen multiple times in emergency situations, where people do nothing but watch because they assume someone else is going to do something.
Yes, it is a shitty thing, but that doesn't mean these people have no value for human life. That's kind of overreacting.
EDIT: Actually, nevermind everything I just said, as its probably been said to you and all else a ton in this thread. Sorry for not thinking.

 

[lacktheknack]

Notice I said a few times this is called the BYSTANDER EFFECT?
Because it's actually called the BYSTANDER EFFECT.

You know, just saying before more people come and claim morale superiority over faceless Chinese pedestrians and drivers.

At some point, the Bystander Effect simply fails to even remotely excuse behavior. Even if you claim that the line is subjective, I'm fairly certain that this crossed it.

And if nothing else, there were TWO VEHICLES THAT HIT HER. Bystander Effect doesn't hold for the person to actually CAUSED the problem.

 

[Smagmuck_]

As someone who has had to help pull a woman out from between two carsLong story, too long to post.. Shit like this happens a lot. Does it suck? Yes. Can we change humanity as a whole to stop it? No. The best we can do is be the person who doesn't walk passed an injured person.

Oh yeah, and this totally reinforces the stereotype that Asians can't drive.
Going to hell, so worth it.

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

Not sure I quite get the whole Bystander Effect myself... The only way the presence of a crowd of people would prevent me from doing the right thing is if they physically blocked my view of what was occuring.

 

[TerranReaper]

In China, there have been cases where someone had helped someone else who had an accident on the streets getting sued by that same person that they helped AND WINNING. It's not so much as the bystander effect or shock so much as the fear and gamble that you may be screwing yourself over by giving a helping hand. It's a sad thing to see, and luckily it doesn't happen that much in comparison to western countries.

 

[kinggamecat]

Frankly, this has caused me to lose my faith in humanity. Bastards. I'm off to be a Vulcan. At least they embrace their apathy.

if you have anything that can help lift my spirits, please post pronto!

Don't worry JoJo. Here, take a pony.

See it's shit like this that I hate. There is no fucking need for ponies in this thread but LO AND BEHOLD we have a huge pony image in a thread about a child getting run over.

I agree, but in that persons defense, they were just trying to cheer the person up.

 

[kinggamecat]

As someone who has had to help pull a woman out from between two carsLong story, too long to post.. Shit like this happens a lot. Does it suck? Yes. Can we change humanity as a whole to stop it? No. The best we can do is be the person who doesn't walk passed an injured person.

Oh yeah, and this totally reinforces the stereotype that Asians can't drive.
Going to hell, so worth it.

Heheh... Sorry I just hadda say that last part cheered me up a bit, thanks.

 

[Dr.Panties]

In China, there have been cases where someone had helped someone else who had an accident on the streets getting sued by that same person that they helped AND WINNING. It's not so much as the bystander effect or shock so much as the fear and gamble that you may be screwing yourself over by giving a helping hand. It's a sad thing to see, and luckily it doesn't happen that much in comparison to western countries.

Finally! Scanned this entire thread, and you were the first to post the correct answer, and one that wasn't buzzwords or blatant racism. "Good samaritans" here in China have been harshly, successfully prosecuted and sued for their actions, regardless of intent. This precedent has been established in a number of cases.

It was fear of the above that contributed to these people not becoming involved. It's fucked, but one can find similar examples across many societies.