Chivalry

[OtherSideofSky]

Chivalry died with feudalism. The customs you call chivalry are merely a hideous mockery constructed from its decaying corpse and should be done away with as soon as possible. I might show such deference to the elderly, the disabled and a few people for whom I have a deep respect or fondness, but I regard any person who expects me to exhibit such behavior towards all women at all times with abject hatred and hope they one day catch fire at a very inopportune time. The first step to achieving social equality is to exorcise it in things that are within your own power. If the little things aren't fixed, the big ones are never going to go anywhere.

 

[Woodsey]

MORE FUCKING CHIVALRY THREADS?!

Most of us are 15-20 year-old guys, this obsession with "chivalry" is not fucking natural. Either be polite to everyone, or don't actively be a dick to everyone.

I'm sure it makes you all feel better when you inevitably turn around and cry about women all hating nice guys (and I have no doubt the cross over between the chivalry and "they hate nice guys!" crowd is huge), but it's just getting weird now.

I long for the day when we can all act our age, and rate celebrities based on their body parts.

*SIGH*

/rant

I didn't really think anything he has said is obsessing about how chivalrous guys are superior to any other guy.
Just an honest question about whether it is actually around or not.
Did you even read what he said?
Furthermore:

"I didn't really think anything he has said is obsessing about how chivalrous guys are superior to any other guy."

I didn't say he was.

And yes, I read his, and it's not totally aimed at him, but every other fucking guy on this forum is obsessed with chivalry and try to describe themselves as being it. It makes me cringe it's so embarrassing.

So yes, I R TEH MADZ.

 

[Foolishman1776]

Women broke the social contract and are no longer subject to it's protections. They want 'equality' they got it, and everything that goes with it. Unfortunately, equality is a myth, and women will always get a level of protection that men do not. If I was actually being raped, people laugh at me; a woman cries rape in jest and whoever happens to be male and standing next to her is probably going to get some bits of him broken. Women are just as vicious as men, but less violent. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that women are MORE vicious than men. They never forget a slight, and find a way to get revenge without having seemed to. To be clear, women are not lesser or greater than men, simply different. The modern pseudo-Marxist creed says that all people are the same(what I mean here is that all people have different talents, abilities, and inclinations, not necessarily that anyone is 'better' than anyone else), but they are not, and no amount of legislation is going to change that.


"No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one." -Simone De Beauvoir

So much for choice, eh?

 

[chif-ii]

Hey, if it gets me laid...

 

[Torrasque]

"I didn't really think anything he has said is obsessing about how chivalrous guys are superior to any other guy."

I didn't say he was.

And yes, I read his, and it's not totally aimed at him, but every other fucking guy on this forum is obsessed with chivalry and try to describe themselves as being it. It makes me cringe it's so embarrassing.

So yes, I R TEH MADZ.

There is nothing wrong with being gentlemanly, it is slightly sexist, but no one is going to say James Bond is a sexist dick.
You could dissolute gentlemanly-ness into polite sexism, but so long as it is being polite, I don't see a huge problem with that.
I'm sure a true gentleman would treat a woman that proved herself as able as a man, like a capable man, but its not rude to take it easy on a kid that can't do things an adult can.

I agree with you though, thinking that chivalry is the pinnacle of awesomeness, is stupid.
I'd rather be slightly rude and strive for equality, than be chivalrous/gentlemanly and slightly sexist.

lol, I'd rather there were less "ZOMG JAPAN IS SO AWESOME. LETS ALL BE JAPANESE" threads that make me slightly embarrassed to learn Japanese >.>

 

[OtherSideofSky]

snip

snip

"I didn't really think anything he has said is obsessing about how chivalrous guys are superior to any other guy."

I didn't say he was.

And yes, I read his, and it's not totally aimed at him, but every other fucking guy on this forum is obsessed with chivalry and try to describe themselves as being it. It makes me cringe it's so embarrassing.

So yes, I R TEH MADZ.

I kind of agree.

If someone's going to call themselves chivalrous they better be out there on a horse in a suit of armor with a lance and a mob of peasants beholden to them and anyone who calls themselves a "nice guy" probably isn't (it's the "Sodom and Gomorrah by way of Terry Pratchett" paradox).

This particular topic does not seem particularly terrible, but there has been an avalanche of these things lately (since I joined actually, so maybe it's just always been around). I suppose 15-20 year old guys might mention this sort of behavior a lot because people keep whining at them to practice it. I know that's what happens to me (I usually hold the door for anyone, but I've promised that the next time I hear someone say "ladies first" I will set them on fire and laugh as they burn).

There is nothing wrong with being gentlemanly, it is slightly sexist, but no one is going to say James Bond is a sexist dick.

James Bond IS a sexist dick and a lot of people (even in James Bond movies) have called him out on it. Also, later in your post you appear to compare the majority of women with helpless children, so I'm starting to think you might be one, too. I will, however, give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you sometimes embark on wildly unrelated tangents for one sentence.

 

[Gigano]

I consider such Victorian customs quite anachronistic, wouldn't do anything "gallant" for a girl[footnote]Unless I was actually romancing her, in which case I'd of course go the extra mile in whatever kind of direction made her happy.[/footnote] I wouldn't do for a guy, common decency and the physical (dis)ability of others should rule who you help out, not some ancient dating customs.

 

[MassiveGeek]

I treat practically everyone the same, then it adjusts depending on how they act or what my relationship is to them.

So, generally I don't stand up to talk to anyone and I do hold the door open, or at least I kick it up for them if I'm holding something.

 

[Dimensional Vortex]

Oh god not feminists *face palm*

Aren't woman and men treated completely equal in America, Australia, England, Ireland, Scotland and the like. So why is there the necessity for feminists to cry some more at us about equal rights when everything is sodding equal.

erhm, sorry, I lost myself for a second there. I think if a guy wants to express chivalry because he has been raised that way, or it is just his personal philosophy than I'm fine with it. It really is not a big a deal as every makes it out to be, men are being nice to woman, whats the downside of that? Most girls I know (and knowing them means occasionally glimpsing at them from my table, or over hearing their conversations xD) don't like to converse like the boys I know do. If you hold a door open for a woman why does it have to be looked upon as sexism? Why can't it be looked at as a deed of kindness? Also even is chivalry is sexist it is pretty damn subtle and doesn't hurt the community, hell it makes the community stronger as a whole with people being kind to others.

PS: If feminists want to moan and complain about the sexism in the community I might show somethings I have gathered about woman liking and voting for Sarah Palin, massive sexism right there.

 

[Cap'n Ninja]

You call that chivalry?
Chivalry is owning a castle and having peasants live and work for you.

Only if done for a fair lady.
Otherwise, it's being a douche.

OT: I must admit that while I may be a little biased on this, I enjoy the little things, like having a door held open, or someone defending my honah because I'm a dignified lady, and being able to take advantage of the kindness of strangers is nice, but trying to look at it from an outside perspective, it's still nice gesture for someone to hold open a door when it's raining, or to stand up for someone when they're threatened in some manner.

It may be outdated and a little bit silly, but that doesn't mean that being nice should be abandoned.

 

[Mr. Doe]

I believe in Chivalry, I dont think it has anything to do with "the weaker sex" as you put it I just veiw it as being an actual decent man instead of being a total bastard. I also dont understand why being nice is considered a stigma just because its doing specific things for a woman. I dont feel subjugated when people hold a door open for me and personally think that if you do take offence to common decency then you should probably start seeing a therapist to find out whats wrong with you.

 

[thahat]

mostly, only chivelrous to the girlfriend XD, she likes that kind of thing

 

[Lieju]

Well, I think of chivalry as helping those who are weaker than you or in need of help.

I'd hold a door to someone with his/her hands full, no matter their sex, and give my seat in a bus for an old person, one with a broken leg/arm, or a pregnant woman.

But healthy women don't need any more help than healthy men do.

 

[Arashiofordo3]

Chivalry died several centuries ago once we got guns... That in itself should be obvious. The problem is that women (no offense meant) seem to have got it in there head that chivalry is something other then what it actually is.

Initially it was the ways of knighthood as pioneered by the French as a way to behave both in court and out of it, then some stupid bugger decided to throw in wooing into the mix.

Now days people tend to assume its doing mundane nice things for someone because they are a woman. It doesn't work like that. No one can do Chivalry nowadays because no one is a lord or a knight. Its kind of a requirement.

 

[ham and red bull]

Hey, if it gets me laid...

Why the hell not? Maybe put a little bluntly but still has a point!

 

[jack583]

i treat others with respect.
not because i want to, but because it's automatic for me.
and it gets annoying.
for instance i can't help but hold a door open for someone if i am near a door they are headed to.
and i will keep holding that door open as long as there are people headed towards it.
i once stood for about 30 minutes holding a door open for someone, and they took their sweet time getting there.
and before you say "you could have just let go of the door and left", let me point out that i couldn't move at all.
feet practicaly welded to the ground.

heck i can't even swear without having a seziure.
but i don't really care.

 

[Woodsey]

"I didn't really think anything he has said is obsessing about how chivalrous guys are superior to any other guy."

I didn't say he was.

And yes, I read his, and it's not totally aimed at him, but every other fucking guy on this forum is obsessed with chivalry and try to describe themselves as being it. It makes me cringe it's so embarrassing.

So yes, I R TEH MADZ.

There is nothing wrong with being gentlemanly, it is slightly sexist, but no one is going to say James Bond is a sexist dick.
You could dissolute gentlemanly-ness into polite sexism, but so long as it is being polite, I don't see a huge problem with that.
I'm sure a true gentleman would treat a woman that proved herself as able as a man, like a capable man, but its not rude to take it easy on a kid that can't do things an adult can.

I agree with you though, thinking that chivalry is the pinnacle of awesomeness, is stupid.
I'd rather be slightly rude and strive for equality, than be chivalrous/gentlemanly and slightly sexist.

lol, I'd rather there were less "ZOMG JAPAN IS SO AWESOME. LETS ALL BE JAPANESE" threads that make me slightly embarrassed to learn Japanese >.>

Read my first post, "be polite to everyone or just don't actively be a dick to everyone".

I.e. Either hold the door open for everyone, or don't slam it in people's faces.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Hey, if it gets me laid...

This is basically why chivalry exists, so fuck it. If taking my hat off in the presence of a lady or holding a door for some useless dolt who can't figure out how to do it herself got me laid 70 or so percent of the time, maybe I could get down with it. But it doesn't work, so she can open her own doors and she'd better damn well learn to love my hat because it isn't worth the effort to take it off just because she's hanging around.

 

[Amethyst Wind]

Honestly, Booster Gold has the right idea here:

Of course I don't think any woman who chews you out for holding the door open for them is anything but a militant straw feminist trying to make something out of nothing. It's really not a big deal.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Yeah Chivalry is sexist but dammit I don't care, I'm a gentleman and anyone who doesn't like it can go to hell!