Chivalry

[revolutionaification]

I don't believe in chivalry in its original form. Instead, the same principles of being respectful to each other and minding your manners in the company of others should just be upheld by everyone, regardless of gender.

Yes, it's nice to feel like someone is looking out for you sometimes (I'm female) but really, I'm not going to judge you if I have to get the door myself or you keep your hat on. Hell, I'm guilty of that last one most of the time.

Chances are, if I'm paying proper attention to your attitude towards me then we're probably already acquainted, most likely even friendly, and at that point there's so many other factors to your personality to consider. Unless you're being a total asshole, chances are, I won't mind.

 

[SilverUchiha]

I practice chivalry. But mostly because I'm trying to be polite. If I like someone, I think it is perfectly reasonable to want to hold open doors for them and what-not. And seeing as how I hate most everyone and only like which particular individual I happen to be dating at any given time (and... yes, I do like my family too), I will obviously not be chivalrous to the vast majority of people.

Therefore, it makes sense that I'll open doors for a date but won't for a friend of mine. Sure, he's a friend. But that doesn't mean I give a damn about him.

 

[Mittens The Kitten]

i would try not to start fights, but for a fight already in progress i'd be much more likely to hit a lady. Another man is a lot more likely to be bigger and stronger than me so i would try much much harder to remove myself from the situation violence-free, either by running or bribing the guy. However, a woman that violently assaults me is more likely to be smaller and, while non-violence would still be preferable, defending myself becomes a more attractive option.

 

[Vryyk]

I dunno, I suppose they are outdated in a sense, but I was raised to never hit girls and to hold doors and such. It's just good manners to me, I wouldn't call it chivalry. I think it's kind of like treating elders with respect and referring to bosses and older folk as sir/ma'am (something still very much alive in the south). It's just good form.

 

[Serenegoose]

MORE FUCKING CHIVALRY THREADS?!

Most of us are 15-20 year-old guys, this obsession with "chivalry" is not fucking natural. Either be polite to everyone, or don't actively be a dick to everyone.

I'm sure it makes you all feel better when you inevitably turn around and cry about women all hating nice guys (and I have no doubt the cross over between the chivalry and "they hate nice guys!" crowd is huge), but it's just getting weird now.

I long for the day when we can all act our age, and rate celebrities based on their body parts.

*SIGH*

/rant

Get out of my mind! But also thank you for saying this better than I could. If you were a celebrity, I'd give your brain a Liam Neeson out of Ian McKellan.

 

[dragonslayer32]

I hold a door for a lady and stand when one enters the room. I don't see women as the weaker sex, I just show respect for them. Chivalry is not dead in my eyes, men (especially in the north of England) show a great deal of respect for women.

 

[Atmos Duality]

I do little favors and act polite where I can, if only because there are enough assholes in the world already.

 

[open trap]

I always offer my coat if a female friend is cold, but if its a guy then i tell them to suck it up and remember a jacket next time.

 

[Nieroshai]

I believe in chivalrous deeds done to all. I still hold those ideals, I just apply them to everyone.

 

[moose_man]

Bullshit. Chivalry is not just about holding the door open for women. The code of chivalry is about helping those who need help and being a better person overall. Or at least it was supposed to, those fucking elitist assholes...

 

[beniki]

I've been called chivalrous. It was a nice feeling. Especially since I'm such a devious bastard underneath my patient and amiable politeness.

I'll hold on to the tradition thanks. Just in case a race of space knights come to seek chivalrous souls to be their cosmic squires at the intergalactic court of the White Star King.

We'll see who's laughing when I'm charging my giant robot unicorn wielding my plasma lance!

 

[Mr. Doe]

MORE FUCKING CHIVALRY THREADS?!

Most of us are 15-20 year-old guys, this obsession with "chivalry" is not fucking natural. Either be polite to everyone, or don't actively be a dick to everyone.

I'm sure it makes you all feel better when you inevitably turn around and cry about women all hating nice guys (and I have no doubt the cross over between the chivalry and "they hate nice guys!" crowd is huge), but it's just getting weird now.

I long for the day when we can all act our age, and rate celebrities based on their body parts.

*SIGH*

/rant

I disagree with your uninformed strawmanning of all nice/Chivalrous guys. Personally Chivalry comes more naturally to me than being a sex obsessed stereotype, so hope away for your shallow future based upon physical appearance.

How can I be uninformed? There are nice people, there are polite people, then there are people that call themselves chivalrous and people who complain all women hate nice guys - the latter two of which people do constantly on this forum, and from what I've seen there's a fairly large cross over between the two groups.

And like I've highlighted, be polite to everyone, or don't try to be a dick to everyone. Chivalry doesn't come into it, especially the ridiculous bloody examples listed in the OP.

"standing up when talking to a lady, taking off your hat when in an elevator with a lady"

We're not in the first half of the 20th century any more, this shit is prehistoric.

And the last sentence was in part a joke, but I am bored to tears of people my age on here trying to act like they're 65.

How is showing courtesy to a woman archaic? Because its old? does that mean living in a house is archaic? or eating at a table? (I refuse to use your malaproper of "Prehistoric" as History was being recorded at the time.) And you are uninformed on the definition of Chivalry, it does not mean "Show false courtesy to women and treat them like they are prizes to be won." it means to act in a courtly manner to all people. Chivalry was devised to keep Knights from being the complete monsters they were in war while at home; it taught humility, discipline, honor and reason. It was a strict set of rules that Knights were to follow at all times. But of course there are certain Knights who did not follow theese rules and they were dishonerable bastards who dont deserve a mention here, much like anyone who complains about a woman not liking them despite their calm, supportive, pleasant attitude to them; they are not true "nice guy" they put on a facade of "nice guy" in an attempt to woo the lady, a true "nice guy" is nice to EVERYONE regardless of theyre status as a potential partner or not. And as to your opinion of some people "Acting like They're 65." I must say that these values were instilled in us by our parents and so maybe its just that we were raised in a different environment than you that instilled in us these qualities you desperatly wish would go the way of the dodo.

 

[Geekosaurus]

It's just human kindness. If a woman thinks I'm sexist for holding the door for her then she can fuck off and open it herself the next time.

 

[TehCookie]

Chivalry needs to die. When I guy won't walk through a door I'm holding open for him just because I'm a girl is more discriminatory than polite. Gender should not matter when you're being polite.

 

[Mr. Doe]

MORE FUCKING CHIVALRY THREADS?!

Most of us are 15-20 year-old guys, this obsession with "chivalry" is not fucking natural. Either be polite to everyone, or don't actively be a dick to everyone.

I'm sure it makes you all feel better when you inevitably turn around and cry about women all hating nice guys (and I have no doubt the cross over between the chivalry and "they hate nice guys!" crowd is huge), but it's just getting weird now.

I long for the day when we can all act our age, and rate celebrities based on their body parts.

*SIGH*

/rant

I disagree with your uninformed strawmanning of all nice/Chivalrous guys. Personally Chivalry comes more naturally to me than being a sex obsessed stereotype, so hope away for your shallow future based upon physical appearance.

How can I be uninformed? There are nice people, there are polite people, then there are people that call themselves chivalrous and people who complain all women hate nice guys - the latter two of which people do constantly on this forum, and from what I've seen there's a fairly large cross over between the two groups.

And like I've highlighted, be polite to everyone, or don't try to be a dick to everyone. Chivalry doesn't come into it, especially the ridiculous bloody examples listed in the OP.

"standing up when talking to a lady, taking off your hat when in an elevator with a lady"

We're not in the first half of the 20th century any more, this shit is prehistoric.

And the last sentence was in part a joke, but I am bored to tears of people my age on here trying to act like they're 65.

How is showing courtesy to a woman archaic? Because its old? does that mean living in a house is archaic? or eating at a table? (I refuse to use your malaproper of "Prehistoric" as History was being recorded at the time.) And you are uninformed on the definition of Chivalry, it does not mean "Show false courtesy to women and treat them like they are prizes to be won." it means to act in a courtly manner to all people. Chivalry was devised to keep Knights from being the complete monsters they were in war while at home; it taught humility, discipline, honor and reason. It was a strict set of rules that Knights were to follow at all times. But of course there are certain Knights who did not follow theese rules and they were dishonerable bastards who dont deserve a mention here, much like anyone who complains about a woman not liking them despite their calm, supportive, pleasant attitude to them; they are not true "nice guy" they put on a facade of "nice guy" in an attempt to woo the lady, a true "nice guy" is nice to EVERYONE regardless of theyre status as a potential partner or not. And as to your opinion of some people "Acting like They're 65." I must say that these values were instilled in us by our parents and so maybe its just that we were raised in a different environment than you that instilled in us these qualities you desperatly wish would go the way of the dodo.

You're not reading what I'm saying.

And I wasn't being literal when I said prehistoric. Of course, if you had the reading ability of someone above the age of five then you would understand how to read between the lines just a teeny tiny bit.

(Also, the dictionary definition of chivalry is: "courteous behaviour, especially that of a man towards women", and since that's the context we were discussing it in anyway, AND I had already made a distinction between polite people and chivalrous people, you can shut the fuck up.)

No, you dont understand I AM reading your posts. Im just not reading between the lines or anything that would make it merely an interperetation of your post Im reading what you wrote, its your duty to make sure what you wrote is what you meant. In addition I direct your attention (however selective it may be.) to the important part of that definition "Courteous behavior." as in to everyone the fact that you show it to a women is only percieved as especially focused upon is because nobody until then showed women any form of respect wich unfortunately most men today still dont. Also if you want me to interperet your opinion as valid and mature do not result to sophmoric insults. If you want to have a shouting match with someone over the internet well then, I guess you should go to /v/ and talk about how great the PS3 is.

 

[Mr. Doe]

Chivalry needs to die. When I guy won't walk through a door I'm holding open for him just because I'm a girl is more discriminatory than polite. Gender should not matter when you're being polite.

That isnt part of being Chivalrous, thats just someone being a tool.

 

[Arashiofordo3]

Initially it was the ways of knighthood as pioneered by the French as a way to behave both in court and out of it, then some stupid bugger decided to throw in wooing into the mix.

Hey, if it gets me laid...

Somehow I think these points are related...

Also:

No one can do Chivalry nowadays because no one is a lord or a knight. Its kind of a requirement.

Have you ever heard of the House of Lords?
And what about Sir Terry Pratchett?
There are lords and knights, just not the lords and knights of old.

I am English and I'm fully aware of the current knighthoods which are handed out. Got one in the family too. But my point is Chivalry was created so nobles didn't have to stab each other up at the end of a fight. They'd merely capture them and ransom them. That was the 'Chivalrous' thing to do. Then some twat decided to turn 'how not to kill so-and-so's lad' into bloody dating tips. Which has continued on into an age where they're really not relevant any more. For example I highly doubt I'm going to find myself in the royal court surrounded by pretty young women with rich and powerful farther.

If some bimbo with entitlement issues wants me to be chivalrous I'll bloody kidnap her and sell her back to her own family. Besides do we really need to make it seem like being nice is a unique and special thing to do. Surly it should come naturally! As in the fucking default option, I'm sick of what should be common fucking sense being given a fancy title and made to look impressive.

 

[DaHero]

Initially it was the ways of knighthood as pioneered by the French as a way to behave both in court and out of it, then some stupid bugger decided to throw in wooing into the mix.

Hey, if it gets me laid...

Somehow I think these points are related...

Also:

No one can do Chivalry nowadays because no one is a lord or a knight. Its kind of a requirement.

Have you ever heard of the House of Lords?
And what about Sir Terry Pratchett?
There are lords and knights, just not the lords and knights of old.

I am English and I'm fully aware of the current knighthoods which are handed out. Got one in the family too. But my point is Chivalry was created so nobles didn't have to stab each other up at the end of a fight. They'd merely capture them and ransom them. That was the 'Chivalrous' thing to do. Then some twat decided to turn 'how not to kill so-and-so's lad' into bloody dating tips. Which has continued on into an age where they're really not relevant any more. For example I highly doubt I'm going to find myself in the royal court surrounded by pretty young women with rich and powerful farther.

If some bimbo with entitlement issues wants me to be chivalrous I'll bloody kidnap her and sell her back to her own family. Besides do we really need to make it seem like being nice is a unique and special thing to do. Surly it should come naturally! As in the fucking default option, I'm sick of what should be common fucking sense being given a fancy title and made to look impressive.

Common sense is a true rarity these days, and I think most people leave theirs under the mat.

 

[Mittens The Kitten]

Chivalry needs to die. When I guy won't walk through a door I'm holding open for him just because I'm a girl is more discriminatory than polite. Gender should not matter when you're being polite.

That isnt part of being Chivalrous, thats just someone being a tool.

chiv·al·ry   /ˈʃɪvəlri/ Show Spelled
[shiv-uhl-ree] Show IPA

?noun, plural -ries for 6.
1. the sum of the ideal qualifications of a knight, including courtesy, generosity, valor, and dexterity in arms.

I thought it would be nice if i gave the definition of chivalry, since there seems to be a general disagreement as to what constitutes chivalry.