Chivalry
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If it doesn't hurt anyone what is the problem? In college I studied a lot of feminist social commentators, wrote a few papers on the subject (feminism, not chivalry). Equality is fine, as long as we all pull our weight, equal pay for equal work, all types of work. But as the bearer of the next generation, do women not deserve to be treated with respect, or chivalry? Thats why I go out of my way to help a woman if I see they need a hand or if it is a nice thing to do. Simple. I think that weaker sex stuff doesn't enter most guys head when they see a woman in need of assistance... some other things might though 
Actually, knights were not like how they are portrayed in media; they rarely followed the code they claimed to. The closest analogy I can think of to a knight is actually a mob enforcer.TheDarkestDerp said:
Well I for one don't mind if women want to hold doors open for me or not. I like when they spoil me in decidedly un-chivalrous ways.zehydra said:
ehh...
i try to be, doesn't matter who it is, but i hold a door or whatever whenever.
however, i literally have been scolded at and given dirty looks by some very impolite femi nazi's for doing such, so im less likely too now a days..
i try to be, doesn't matter who it is, but i hold a door or whatever whenever.
however, i literally have been scolded at and given dirty looks by some very impolite femi nazi's for doing such, so im less likely too now a days..
Personally, I don't just take the "conduct towards women" parts of chivalry, I take the entire thing.
See, I always fancied myself as an aristocrat. I'm very well educated, intelligent and polite, and I think that being chivalrous is a good way to show superior breeding. So I do. I personally follow not just the "courtly love" part, but the parts about honor and the knightly virtues (courage, justice, mercy, charity, faith, valour, hope, diligence, truth, humility and resolve).
See, I always fancied myself as an aristocrat. I'm very well educated, intelligent and polite, and I think that being chivalrous is a good way to show superior breeding. So I do. I personally follow not just the "courtly love" part, but the parts about honor and the knightly virtues (courage, justice, mercy, charity, faith, valour, hope, diligence, truth, humility and resolve).
I will happily hold the door for people, but I might hold it longer for a woman I find attractive, so I guess I'm really only chivalrous to women I find attractive, and even then only when I'm paying attention, normally I'm zoned out and don't notice them.
Okay, speaking as a woman, here's my take on it:
Chivalry today is pretty much synonymous with being polite, as said. Also, if a man today doesn't act chivalrous it generally doesn't count against them. However, being chivalrous when it is not expected or required does put a man into a better light and makes me think highly of them. Likewise, I am expected to be courteous and kind to the man who was polite to me. I will hold a door open for a man who holds a door open for me and compliment a man who compliments me and so on and so forth.
Women who get angry at guys for being polite are insane. They need to chill and take a deep breath and reanalyze their thought process. (Men who hold doors open are not trying to insult you!) Same goes for guys who think that acts of chivalry are stupid. It's a sad world when acting in a polite, courtly manner is scorned.
Things like hitting women? I think it's the same standards that should apply to everyone. Only fight if provoked. I would not get angry at a man who said they knocked a woman out because she was attacking him. In fact, I'd honestly expect that he should do that. However, attacking anyone, man or woman, unprovoked is not cool.
Chivalry today is pretty much synonymous with being polite, as said. Also, if a man today doesn't act chivalrous it generally doesn't count against them. However, being chivalrous when it is not expected or required does put a man into a better light and makes me think highly of them. Likewise, I am expected to be courteous and kind to the man who was polite to me. I will hold a door open for a man who holds a door open for me and compliment a man who compliments me and so on and so forth.
Women who get angry at guys for being polite are insane. They need to chill and take a deep breath and reanalyze their thought process. (Men who hold doors open are not trying to insult you!) Same goes for guys who think that acts of chivalry are stupid. It's a sad world when acting in a polite, courtly manner is scorned.
Things like hitting women? I think it's the same standards that should apply to everyone. Only fight if provoked. I would not get angry at a man who said they knocked a woman out because she was attacking him. In fact, I'd honestly expect that he should do that. However, attacking anyone, man or woman, unprovoked is not cool.
True Chivalry/gentleman conduct should extend to both sexes as it was orginally and even then you shouldnt think you have to say not burp into peoples faces because its unchivalrous you shouldnt do it because its not good manners not to mention disgusting and annoying.
Chivalry's dead, and women killed it.
And for the best, too. Women don't deserve special treatment due to their gender. Isn't it better for yourself AND other people to treat them according to their perceived merit rather than some vague principles of conduct?
And for the best, too. Women don't deserve special treatment due to their gender. Isn't it better for yourself AND other people to treat them according to their perceived merit rather than some vague principles of conduct?
I treat girls exactly like I treat other guys, and in my experience they seem to prefer it that way.
To all those "nice guys" who believe in chivalry, consider this: if your friends treated you the way you treat women (all polite and formal and shit), would you be having fun? I dunno about you, but I'd be bored out of my skull. People (women included) want to get to know your real personality, not how well you can adhere to pre-determined codes of behaviour.
To all those "nice guys" who believe in chivalry, consider this: if your friends treated you the way you treat women (all polite and formal and shit), would you be having fun? I dunno about you, but I'd be bored out of my skull. People (women included) want to get to know your real personality, not how well you can adhere to pre-determined codes of behaviour.
Well. I'm polite to women. For example, if she is cold, then she gets my coat, no objections. However, if said women is a *****, she gets blanked, because I cba to put up with that shit, I have more important things to occupy my conciousness with, although I will not be a twat just for the sake of being a twat. There's no point.
Well, yes. No ... but there's no reason why 'chivalry' cannot change to recognise that whilst women are not the weaker sex, there are weaker men and women then the average person.
The aged, the injured, the pregnant.
I mean women aren't the weaker sex, but it's foolish to believe that a physical condition such as being elderly, having a disability, or being pregnant does not affect your life condition and maske you more vulnerable.
The aged, the injured, the pregnant.
I mean women aren't the weaker sex, but it's foolish to believe that a physical condition such as being elderly, having a disability, or being pregnant does not affect your life condition and maske you more vulnerable.
